I am Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, your senior drill instructor.

[Argent Towers]

Originally Posted by Bryan Ekers

Truth be told... I find the second half kind of boring, especially since the Vietnamese whore saying `Me so horny, love you long time`has become such a cliché.

I think the second half is worth it just for Adam Baldwin.

[JRDelirious]

Originally Posted by carnivorousplant

Ah.
Er, what is that?

Final capstone experience exercise at the end of Basic Training, with practical application of the entire training course. Concept since adapted by the other branches.

http://www.mcrdpi.usmc.mil/training/crucible/index.asp

http://www.defense.gov/specials/basic/

[Chicagojeff]

"Nothing can get between a motivated marine and his rifle"..

He came to Sandy Springs Ga as part of Glock promotion.. my asshole buddy who I TRAINED tells me two days later.. I would've waited in parking lot to shake that man's hand!!

[Saint Cad]

Because of this thread, Mrs. Cad is upset with me.

We're watching The Voice and everytime someone gets chosen the judges start out with, "What's your name?" and now I unconciously repeat it as, "What's your name, fatbody?"

I may have to sleep on the couch if I start telling the contestants on TV, "That name sounds like royalty. Are you royalty?"

[JBDivmstr]

Bullshit! It looks to me like the best part of you ran down the crack of your mommas ass and ended up as a brown stain on the mattress! I think you've been cheated! Where in the hell are you from anyway, Private?!
Sir, Texas sir!
Holy dogshit, Texas! Only steers and queers come from Texas, Private Cowboy, and you don't much look like a steer to me so that kind of narrows it down!

Outstanding!

[Nancarrow]

Originally Posted by Hypno-Toad

Someone's been digging through their Kubrick collection, I see.

Well only a small portion of it, to be precise.

Unless that bit of Barry Lyndon I slept through took a really unexpected turn.

[Elendil's Heir]

He basically plays Gunny Hartman in the Toy Story movies as the sarge of the squad of little plastic soldiers, too.

Originally Posted by aldiboronti

...The guy in the 50s who had the reputation of having the loudest bark in the British Army was Regimental Sergeant Major Britten. He made a number of movies in which he put that bark to good effect.

Was he like this?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imhrDrE4-mI

Or more like this?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0dWo31hwpI

[Argent Towers]

Originally Posted by Nancarrow

Unless that bit of Barry Lyndon I slept through took a really unexpected turn.

It's a shame that the Prussian army basic training montage was cut from that movie, as Ermey's performance was supposedly amazing.

[Elendil's Heir]

Just saw a 2007 SpongeBob SquarePants episode my kids were watching. Ermey does the voice (in true Gy Sgt Hartman style) of the warden of a prison to which SpongeBob and Patrick are mistakenly sent.

[DCnDC]

Question: what happened to you if you were a non-hacker who did not pack the gear to serve in his beloved Corps?

[carnivorousplant]

Originally Posted by DCnDC

Question: what happened to you if you were a non-hacker who did not pack the gear to serve in his beloved Corps?

I rather imagine that he would rip your liver out and eat it while you watched.

[FriarTed]

Originally Posted by Bryan Ekers

Matthew Modine hosted on November 5th, 1988. The pre-credit sketch was called "Drill Sergeant" which as I recall had Phil Hartman (no relation, I assume) as the title character, ripping into a bunch of recruits in parody of Ermey's Hartmann, with the joke being that he wasn't very good or imaginative at it.

Drill Sergeant: From now on, your name is... [looks recruit up and down]... Mister Feet-Attached-To-Legs!

It's wasn't that the DI wasn't good at training but that he was restrained by the limitations on abusive language, which was news at the time as they rules were either being toughened or reinforced.

[FriarTed]

Originally Posted by FriarTed

It's wasn't that the DI wasn't good at training but that he was restrained by the limitations on abusive language, which was news at the time as they rules were either being toughened or reinforced.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/197775#x-4,cEpisodes,1,0

[Robot Arm]

Originally Posted by Elendil's Heir

Was he like this?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imhrDrE4-mI

Or more like this?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0dWo31hwpI

I always rather liked this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT1sG9Nmz3w

[Elendil's Heir]

Here's Matthew Modine's photojournal from the set, incl. several pics of Ermey: http://cnnphotos.blogs.cnn.com/2012/...ket/?hpt=hp_c2

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by DCnDC

No, sometimes I just hear Gunnery Sergeant Hartman yelling in my head from time to time. Maybe I should talk to someone about that...

Shoot him.

[Ashley Pomeroy]

On a tangent, the author of The Short-Timers - the book on which the film was based - has the whole thing hosted here. I read the book long before I saw the film, and I was struck by how much of the book's dialogue R Lee Ermey delivered in the film. Urban legend has it that his performance was entirely improvised, but a lot of it is from the book.

E.g.

Gunnery Sergeant Gerheim laughs, too. The senior drill instructor is an obscene little ogre in immaculate khaki. He aims his index finger between my eyes and says, "You. Yeah--you. Private Joker. I like you. You can come over to my house and fuck my sister." He grins. Then his face goes hard. "You little scumbag. I got your name. I got your ass. You will not laugh. You will not cry. You will learn by the numbers. I will teach you."

Obviously they decided that Hartman was a better name than Gerheim. "Because I am hard, you will not like me. But the more you hate me, the more you will learn." It even has "sound off like you got a pair", and the song about the rifle and the gun (this one's for killing, this one's for fun). Overall the book makes training look even less pleasant than in the film. There's more of an emphasis on physical beatings from the staff - from what I remember, in the film Hartman only hits Joker, and from then on his harassment is entirely verbal, although it's still disconcerting. One of the recruits attempts suicide, several others leave, another bayonets Gerheim in the thigh(!). In the film I only had the impression that Private Pyle was having trouble, the other recruits seemed quite chipper.

To be honest, although Ermey's performance is striking, I never had a sense that climbing obstacles and being sworn at was enough to turn a man into a dehumanised killing machine, which I think was the thrust of the film. Kids are already remorseless killing machines - I used to kill ants by the hundred and I loved it. Wouldn't have been a massive step up to kill people. People are very much like ants. There are lots of them, and they are the same. Six legs.

The book mentions The DI, from up the thread:

Beatings, we learn, are a routine element of life on Parris Island. And not that I'm-only-rough-on-'um-because-I-love-'um crap civilians have seen in Jack Webb's Hollywood movie The D.I. and in Mr. John Wayne's The Sands of Iwo Jima.

It also mentions "the Ribbon Creek Massacre, where six recruits drowned during a disciplinary night march in 1956", which is on page two of this thread, I think. The drill instructor responsible was court-martialed, got a relatively light punishment, but it destroyed his military career. He died in 2003.

The book doesn't have the confusing bit at the end where the soldiers assault a bunch of ruined warehouses in the London docklands. I always wondered why a film ostensibly about Vietnam should end up in East London. And why all those Vietnamese people on their scooters were just going round in a circle during the scene with the prostitute. Some good lines:

As is my custom, I salute Animal Mother so that any snipers in the area will assume that he is an officer and shoot him instead of me. I have become a little paranoid since I painted a red bull's-eye on the top of my helmet. Animal Mother returns my salute, then spits, then grins. "You sure are funny, you son-of-a-bitch. You're a real comedian." "Sorry 'bout that," I say.

I briefly worked for the MOD as a civilian, on an army base, and I can remember the WO1 and his swagger stick (I think). He made me nervous, I can't imagine what effect he had on the enemy. I dreaded the day he would ask me why I hadn't joined the army, but fortunately he never asked. "You're all a bunch of piss-head squaddies" probably wouldn't have gone down too well. But what's so bad about drinking, anyway?

"Because when I left school the two options were (a) walking slowly through Belfast, being shot at or (b) walking slowly through Kosovo, being shot at" would have been more honest.

[msmith537]

Originally Posted by DCnDC

Question: what happened to you if you were a non-hacker who did not pack the gear to serve in his beloved Corps?

DCnDChas dishonored himself and dishonored the thread. I have tried to help him. But I have failed. I have failed because YOU have not helped me. YOU people have not given DCnDCthe proper motivation! So, from now on, whenever DCnDC fucks up, I will not punish him! I will punish all of YOU! And the way I see it ladies, you owe me for ONE DUMB QUESTION! NOW GET ON YOUR FACES!!!

[Elendil's Heir]

:: drops to the deck ::

[msmith537]

Actually Full Metal Jacket wasn't even his first military role. R Lee Ermey played a sergeant in The Boys in Company C, one of the "Loach" pilots in Appocalypse Now (which I knew already) and he was a gunny in some movie called Purple Hearts in 1984.

[echo7tango]

Today, you people are no longer maggots. Today, you are Marines. You're part of a brotherhood. From now on until the day you die, wherever you are, every Marine is your brother. Most of you will go to Vietnam. Some of you will not come back. But always remember this: Marines die. That's what we're here for.

But the Marine Corps lives forever.

And that means YOU live forever.

[Ranchoth]

The German dub doesn't do too bad.

[Battle Pope]

Originally Posted by aldiboronti

The guy in the 50s who had the reputation of having the loudest bark in the British Army was Regimental Sergeant Major Britten. He made a number of movies in which he put that bark to good effect.

How does Richard Attenborough in Guns at Batasi compare?

http://youtu.be/qzKTOUkroU0

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by Battle Pope

How does Richard Attenborough in Guns at Batasi compare?

http://youtu.be/qzKTOUkroU0

They're both shy, squeaking, whispering little pussywimps compared to Michael Palin.

[Imago]

Originally Posted by aceplace57

Hartman would be nearly speechless in todays army. A lot of his insults/obscenities were gay slurs. I've read DI's can't even curse out a recruit anymore.

I don't know what the status is on cursing, but I think the notable bit about this in the Canadian forces now is that they can't chew out on individual, but can insult the group as a whole. This results in them looking right at one person, while saying, "All your your guys's drills are disgusting! Get those arms up!" etc to get around the rules. It's comedic at first, but eventually the effect is no different from before the rule was put in place, which completely defeats the purpose of the rule.

[dougie_monty]

This character impresses me as a martinet marionette with the strings pulled by a manufacturer of war materiel. ("War is good business, invest your son")

[Ranchoth]

Originally Posted by aceplace57

Hartman would be nearly speechless in todays army. A lot of his insults/obscenities were gay slurs. I've read DI's can't even curse out a recruit anymore.

...for the record, is it okay to use straight slurs to scream at people? Y'could probably make that work. "You're the most miserable clump of slack-jawed breeders I've ever seen! Fifty, now!"

[Stink Fish Pot]

Originally Posted by Ranchoth

...for the record, is it okay to use straight slurs to scream at people? Y'could probably make that work. "You're the most miserable clump of slack-jawed breeders I've ever seen! Fifty, now!"

Who knows? I know is that what you listed there is a politically correct, pussified version of: "I am hard, so you will not like me! But the more you hate me the more you will learn! There is no racial bigotry here! I do not like niggers, wops, kykes or greasers! To me you are ALL equally worthless!

[dougie_monty]

All right, all right...once the trainees leave boot camp, do they get similar treatment from their platoon sergeant?

[Elendil's Heir]

Personally approved by the Gunny:
http://www.atlantacutlery.com/p-2766-aura-seal.aspx

[RandMcnally]

Originally Posted by muldoonthief

You climb obstacles like old people fuck, you know that Private Pyle! Get up here - you're too slow!

When I was in advanced training my instructor used this line on me.

Instructor: "Goddammit Gunner, you load ammo like old people fuck!"

Me: "What? Like, very sexily?"

Instructor: "I...wh....the fuck, man?"

[Elendil's Heir]

Did he then splutter, "What is your major malfunction, Gunner?"

[Bambro]

Originally Posted by RandMcnally

When I was in advanced training my instructor used this line on me.

Instructor: "Goddammit Gunner, you load ammo like old people fuck!"

Me: "What? Like, very sexily?"

Instructor: "I...wh....the fuck, man?"

My father always finished the line when he used it on me.

"You cut grass like old people fuck; slow and sloppy!"

[Son of a Rich]

Fuck you, Sarge. I was drafted. In less than two years I'll be out of here and you'll be nothing but a bad memory.

[Beware of Doug]

Originally Posted by dougie_monty

This character impresses me as a martinet marionette with the strings pulled by a manufacturer of war materiel. ("War is good business, invest your son")

Me too. But for decades, if you passed the physical and you wanted to live your life as a man and an American, there was no getting around him. Every coach and teacher of boys, every boss and leader of men was essentially summed up in the DI or DS. He was the national rite of passage.

[Jim's Son]

Originally Posted by dougie_monty

This character impresses me as a martinet marionette with the strings pulled by a manufacturer of war materiel. ("War is good business, invest your son")

And I am completely unimpressed with the stupidity of you and "Beware of Doug" for spewing out this mean spirited garbage about the greatest people in the world. Move to the worker's paradise of North Korea if you really feel that way.

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by Jim's Son

And I am completely unimpressed with the stupidity of you and "Beware of Doug" for spewing out this mean spirited garbage about the greatest people in the world. Move to the worker's paradise of North Korea if you really feel that way.

This is totally inappropriate for Cafe Society, Jim's Son. Don't do it again.

[Horseface]

Did your parents have any children that lived? You're so ugly you could be a modern art masterpiece.

[DWMarch]

That name sounds like royalty! Are you royalty? Do you suck dicks?

[mbh]

Another fine movie is The Siege of Firebase Gloria, in which Ermey plays Sergeant Major Hafner. In one scene, he walks into camp, carrying the severed heads of two comrades (who had been killed and mutilated by the Viet Cong):

Anyone know who these belong to? This is Corporal Miller. He's dead. Hell, the whole gun crew's dead. And to add insult to injury, Charlie took the fifty-fucking caliber machine gun with him. I don't have any respect for Corporal Miller anymore, because he allowed his troops to relax. They let their guard down for five fucking minutes, and Charlie took advantage of it. Look at 'em, Goddammit! Pay attention. Stay alert! Stay alive! It's as simple as that!

[Sitnam]

Bullshit! Looks like you could suck a golf ball though a garden hose!

[DKW]

Um...

You all do remember that he gets fragged, right?

Call me old-fashioned, but I think the opportunity to chew out recruits in the most disgusting ways imaginable should be be tempered by the prospect of one of them killing you. (Even more so because it invalidates the whole they'll-take-all-your-crap-and-realize-you-were-right-all-along thing.)

And it was Pyle, of all people. That's like King Kong being laid low by a stray banana peel. Pathetic.

And for my money, this has always been my favorite exchange:

Door Gunner: Git some! Git some! Git some, yeah, yeah, yeah! Anyone who runs, is a VC. Anyone who stands still, is a well-disciplined VC! You guys oughta do a story about me sometime.
Private Joker: Why should we do a story about you?
Door Gunner: 'Cuz I'm so fuckin' good. I done got me 157 dead gooks killed. Plus 50 water buffalo, too. Them's all confirmed!
Private Joker: Any women or children?
Door Gunner: Sometimes.
Private Joker: How can you shoot women or children?
Door Gunner: Easy, ya just don't lead 'em so much! Ain't war hell?

[Shinna Minna Ma]

Originally Posted by John DiFool

You had best unfuck yourself, or I will unscrew your head and shit down your neck!

This is one of my favorite movie quotes of all time.