Der Trihs is a Misogynistic Jackass who gives both progressives and men a bad name

[Measure for Measure]

Originally Posted by Loach

That is what I can't stand the most about him. He cowardly refuses to participate in pittings of him. If he did so because he objects to the tone of the pit I would have no problem with it. But he joins in on pittings of others. That's just cowardice. Par for the course for an Internet tough guy.

Frankly I think his participation in his pittings would be largely pointless. And he doesn't frequent the pit. Of his last 25 posts, 21 have been in Great Debates: none were in the pit.

26-50: None in the pit
51-75: None in the pit
76-100: None in the pit
101-125: 1 post in the pit! Here it is! http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...4&postcount=30
That's from a pittting of Joan Rivers, who to my knowledge is not an active member of this board.
126-150: We have another! He makes a joke:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...80&postcount=5

That brings us back to 8/6. So over about 11 days we have 2 posts to the BBQ Pit, neither one of which were directed against an active member: both were jokes. FTR, I recall a time a couple of years ago when he said it was his policy not to respond to his own pittings (with exceptions) but at the same time he avoided pitting others. Fair is fair or so he said, IIRC.


Glancing over his other contributions: yes, most involved pronounced hyper-ventilation.

[FoieGrasIsEvil]

I now want to rape Iraqi women ('cuz they're so HOT) at gunpoint while I scream "DerTrihs said I'd do this!" at them while I give them unwanted pregnancies. And shit.

[Malacandra]

Originally Posted by FoieGrasIsEvil

I now want to rape Iraqi women ('cuz they're so HOT) at gunpoint while I scream "DerTrihs said I'd do this!" at them while I give them unwanted pregnancies. And shit.

And if you're a true Christian you will then handcuff them to the bed for nine months and rub your hands gloating as they die in childbirth, if I've correctly understood the Gospel According To Der.

[Jragon]

Originally Posted by Malacandra

And if you're a true Christian you will then handcuff them to the bed for nine months and rub your hands gloating as they die in childbirth, if I've correctly understood the Gospel According To Der.

I think to complete the circle you also have to impregnate a woman and conspire to bleed some poor unsuspecting sap dry via *lightning flash* *horse cries* CHILD SUPPORT *lightning flash* *organ music*

[Blake]

Originally Posted by Lobohan

No. But your comment was so stupid I felt a Der-Like response was warranted.

Ontopic: I think Der's big problem is he speaks in absolutes. If you mentally include a (some) into his statements, they are all pretty reasonable.

Watch:
Republicans are bloodthirsty savages who want the country to fail because a black man is at the helm. <--overdoing it a bit

Some Republicans are bloodthirsty savages who want the country to fail because a black man is at the helm. <--true!

Uh huh.

So "Timothy McVeigh's bombing of the federal Building in Oklahoma City was supported by some Republican congressmen" is pretty reasonable to you?

You have a strange definition of reasonable. That comment is just batshit insane no matter how many times you insert the word "some". And Der Trihs has made such comments in almost every thread I have followed him in.

They aren't reasonable but too absolute. They are the insane rantings of a man who has gone, barking fucking mad.

[Manda JO]

Originally Posted by WhyNot

I don't either. I think his anger reaches far beyond misogyny, was my only point.

It used to be almost a cliche to say "I am not a bigot; I hate everyone", and it's always annoyed me. I have a soft spot in my heart for true misanthropes: I kind of admire the independent spirit and self-containment implied by a person that really just doesn't like anyone, that dislikes people for their persistent people-ness. Der Trihs is the antithesis of that.

I do feel sorry for him, though. I think he truly believes in the world he is always talking about, one where Capitalistic Fat Cats sit around smoking cigars and boasting about how much money they made feeding chalk dust to minority babies, where Bush actually sat down with Cheney and said 'What the best way to kill Arabs and Iraqis? Some sort of invasion? Start a civil war?", where every cop he sees he knows is a man who lives only to beat and abuse people, every military uniform represents someone who would drown babies with a smile if they were ordered to, every woman he encounters is plotting to get whatever she can from him and would see ruining his life as a bonus. It must be a hellish place to live.

[newcomer]

Originally Posted by Stoneburg

I think Der Trihs is interesting, makes good arguments and is intelletually stimulating. He can indeed be abrasive, but would not qualify for a top ten position in that ranking in my opinion. He tends to be a bit black/white and uses hyperbole a lot, but it's still on an intellectual level.

I think this pit thread is a bit lame. Speculating on his sex life etc... not very mature. All in all I think Der Trihs contributes in a positive way to this board, wheras this thread does not.

+1

[John Mace]

Originally Posted by newcomer

+1

-1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

[olivesmarch4th]

A couple of years back, someone started an MPSIMS thread for women to discuss their experiences of being raped and sexually abused. He and a few other posters hijacked the thread when women who had been raped admitted the resulting anxiety and fearfulness around strange men/circumstances similar to the rape. He attacked the rape victims for being sexist, because they had PTSD. The level of vitriol he had was just insane. It was probably one of the single most disturbing things I've witnessed here. And even more disturbingly, he frequently references that thread as ''evidence'' that women view all men as potential rapists. That is seriously what he got out of that thread.

[Rick]

Originally Posted by John Mace

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+1

[Makeitstop]

Originally Posted by John Mace

-1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

= -999,999,999,999,999,999,999, right?

[Qin Shi Huangdi]

Originally Posted by rogerbox

George Bush killed because of HIS beliefs, Der Trihs has managed NOT to kill hundreds of thousands. This makes him infinitely less bad than GWB. Hope that clears that up for you.

But not because of his religious beliefs but due to Bush's views on American strategy which somebody Christopher Hitchens (incidentally a far more likable and less self-righteous anti-theist activist than Der Trihs) supported

[GIGObuster]

Originally Posted by Qin Shi Huangdi

But not because of his religious beliefs but due to Bush's views on American strategy which somebody Christopher Hitchens (incidentally a far more likable and less self-righteous anti-theist activist than Der Trihs) supported

Well, no, many former friends did dislike Hitchens for his full of fail reasons on supporting the war in Iraq. He thought that his biggest failure was not to convince others of following his folly:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010...cca-aitkenhead

Similarly, his memoir contains an extended and frankly sentimental tribute to a US soldier killed in Iraq, an intelligent young man with deep misgivings about the war, who had been persuaded to sign up only by reading Hitchens. ("Sentimental? I was hoping to avoid sentimentality," Hitchens objects – and to his credit it's the only criticism that visibly offends him.) If he really wanted to win the argument – that the war was worth it, however tragic the loss of life – surely a shrewd polemicist would honour Iraqi civilian deaths with the same grief he accords one American soldier. He blames his former comrades for failing to be persuaded by his case for invading Iraq: "Yes, absolutely. I was right and they were wrong, that's pretty much it in a nutshell." He laughs.

[JackieLikesVariety]

Originally Posted by olivesmarch4th

A couple of years back, someone started an MPSIMS thread for women to discuss their experiences of being raped and sexually abused. He and a few other posters hijacked the thread when women who had been raped admitted the resulting anxiety and fearfulness around strange men/circumstances similar to the rape. He attacked the rape victims for being sexist, because they had PTSD. The level of vitriol he had was just insane. It was probably one of the single most disturbing things I've witnessed here. And even more disturbingly, he frequently references that thread as ''evidence'' that women view all men as potential rapists. That is seriously what he got out of that thread.

ah! did you hear a thud? it's me, no longer on the fence.

[Loach]

Originally Posted by Measure for Measure

Frankly I think his participation in his pittings would be largely pointless. And he doesn't frequent the pit. Of his last 25 posts, 21 have been in Great Debates: none were in the pit.

26-50: None in the pit
51-75: None in the pit
76-100: None in the pit
101-125: 1 post in the pit! Here it is! http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...4&postcount=30
That's from a pittting of Joan Rivers, who to my knowledge is not an active member of this board.
126-150: We have another! He makes a joke:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...80&postcount=5

That brings us back to 8/6. So over about 11 days we have 2 posts to the BBQ Pit, neither one of which were directed against an active member: both were jokes. FTR, I recall a time a couple of years ago when he said it was his policy not to respond to his own pittings (with exceptions) but at the same time he avoided pitting others. Fair is fair or so he said, IIRC.


Glancing over his other contributions: yes, most involved pronounced hyper-ventilation.

Thanks for looking that up. I just remembered that he had stated be never "does" the pit and then being surprised when I saw him in threads. This was over several years. I have no idea how often. I still think he is a coward. He hides behind his keyboard saying things he would never say to someones face. And he is a doper coward because he won't go into his pit threads and knows that going after him in other threads would be threadshitting. He pokes people with pointy sticks then runs away.

Originally Posted by Manda JO

It used to be almost a cliche to say "I am not a bigot; I hate everyone", and it's always annoyed me. I have a soft spot in my heart for true misanthropes: I kind of admire the independent spirit and self-containment implied by a person that really just doesn't like anyone, that dislikes people for their persistent people-ness. Der Trihs is the antithesis of that.

I do feel sorry for him, though. I think he truly believes in the world he is always talking about, one where Capitalistic Fat Cats sit around smoking cigars and boasting about how much money they made feeding chalk dust to minority babies, where Bush actually sat down with Cheney and said 'What the best way to kill Arabs and Iraqis? Some sort of invasion? Start a civil war?", where every cop he sees he knows is a man who lives only to beat and abuse people, every military uniform represents someone who would drown babies with a smile if they were ordered to, every woman he encounters is plotting to get whatever she can from him and would see ruining his life as a bonus. It must be a hellish place to live.

Agreed. He is basically a caricature of a basement Internet dweller.

[rogerbox]

Originally Posted by Qin Shi Huangdi

But not because of his religious beliefs but due to Bush's views on American strategy which somebody Christopher Hitchens (incidentally a far more likable and less self-righteous anti-theist activist than Der Trihs) supported

Stop arguing against arguments I didn't make and admit that Der Trihs is not as bad as GWB.

Originally Posted by John Mace

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That goes for you, too.

[Larry Borgia]

Der Trihs doesn't really bother me. As I said earlier, he doesn't derail threads like some of our other famous problem posters. There's no "Der Trihs show" like there were Dio shows and Liberal shows. His over the top opinions seem more crazy and sad than rageworthy. Manda Jo nailed it perfectly. And he can be witty sometimes, especially when he's not dealing with one of his trigger areas.

What does continue to baffle me are the large numbers of posters--including many in this thread--who praise him as being intellectually stimulating and a strong debater. It just leaves me speechless. I'm an atheist, I think George Bush was a terrible president, and I strongly opposed the Iraq war, so I'm not against him on any ideological fronts (Other than the misogyny.) But he's so ridiculously over the top, it ruins whatever point others are trying to make. Bush didn't have a bloodlust to kill Arabs, Christians do not get off on torturing women and are not out to kill him. I just can't see how anyone, no matter how left they may be, can read his posts and think "These are the writings of a sage individual, bringing reason and evidence to bear on important topics."

Where I used to work there was this guy I'll call Eddie who'd hang out by the corner handing out scribbled tracts about how the Twelve Tribes of Israel were controlling his mind by using psychic torture. I suppose I could have been offended by Eddie, but he was such a sad stunted man I could only feel pity and a sort of morbid fascination. However, not once did anyone ever say "That Eddie's got some smart ideas. Really makes you think." That would have been, well, surreal. I would have never expected it to happen. And yet here we are.

ETA: and seriously, comparing him to GWB? that's kind of silly. It's very easy to not kill hundreds of thousands of people when you have no political power and rarely leave the house.

[John Mace]

Originally Posted by rogerbox

That goes for you, too.

If you weren't such a numbskull, you'd realize that I'm talking about his mindset and how he frames his arguments. Gee, he didn't start any wars or anything. No shock, Sherlock.

Now, if you want to hitch your wagon to DT and defend him as quite a few people like to do, knock yourself.

[cmyk]

Originally Posted by olivesmarch4th

A couple of years back, someone started an MPSIMS thread for women to discuss their experiences of being raped and sexually abused. He and a few other posters hijacked the thread when women who had been raped admitted the resulting anxiety and fearfulness around strange men/circumstances similar to the rape. He attacked the rape victims for being sexist, because they had PTSD. The level of vitriol he had was just insane. It was probably one of the single most disturbing things I've witnessed here. And even more disturbingly, he frequently references that thread as ''evidence'' that women view all men as potential rapists. That is seriously what he got out of that thread.

Kid has some wires crossed between "gun-shy" and "contempt".

It's like he's trying to throw the tragedy back on the victim somehow.

That's fucked up no matter which way you rape it—I mean slice it. See, now slice sounds just as disturbing. I blame the victims.

[Mosier]

As much as I dislike Der Trihs, I can't get behind this pitting. He's said way, way more inflammatory things than this, which is barely even notable.

[Ají de Gallina]

Originally Posted by Malacandra

And if you're a true Christian you will then handcuff them to the bed for nine months and rub your hands gloating as they die in childbirth, if I've correctly understood the Gospel According To Der.

..and then let the babies die without healthcare.

[rogerbox]

Originally Posted by John Mace

If you weren't such a numbskull, you'd realize that I'm talking about his mindset and how he frames his arguments. Gee, he didn't start any wars or anything. No shock, Sherlock.

What you did was literally Godwinizing except using a safer option like GWB than Hitler. I'm not the numbskull in this case since I'm not the one who said someone posting non-genuine things on a messageboard is just as bad as someone killing hundreds of thousands for non-genuine reasons.

You know who else blamed his failures to communicate well on others? HITLER!

[Measure for Measure]

Originally Posted by Loach

Thanks for looking that up. I just remembered that he had stated be never "does" the pit and then being surprised when I saw him in threads. This was over several years. I have no idea how often. I still think he is a coward. He hides behind his keyboard saying things he would never say to someones face. And he is a doper coward because he won't go into his pit threads and knows that going after him in other threads would be threadshitting. He pokes people with pointy sticks then runs away.

Well his cardinal sin in my view is that he makes hyperbolic claims that he can't substantiate. Often. Other times he makes hyperbolic claims that are backed by a take on the world which can only be characterized as hysteria.

Originally Posted by Larry Borgia

What does continue to baffle me are the large numbers of posters--including many in this thread--who praise him as being intellectually stimulating and a strong debater. It just leaves me speechless.

Me too. But I find it interesting. One guy in MPSIMS praised him for his hard line on Christianity. With respect to my fellow posters, it seems that shifting the Overton window really can affect some of the world's dimmer lights. I am open to revising that interpretation though: I am confused.


I'll provide a defense of Der though. There are outrages in this world, outrages that are not identified as such due to over-familiarity. The key example being warfare. One of the insights of the Book of Job is that it is appropriate to wail against evil, no matter what the cause. Reasonable people will note that some evils are necessary ones -- but it should be remembered that they are evil all the same.

Of course Der's jihad against Christianity and basically everything else is more than a little silly.

[John Mace]

Originally Posted by rogerbox

What you did was literally Godwinizing except using a safer option like GWB than Hitler.

Yet another bit of numbskullery.

I'm not the numbskull in this case since I'm not the one who said someone posting non-genuine things on a messageboard is just as bad as someone killing hundreds of thousands for non-genuine reasons.

You know who else blamed his failures to communicate well on others? HITLER!

You know who else is a numbskull? Der Trihs.

[Guinastasia]

My personal theory is that he's actually a Freeper posing as their idea of a liberal.

[Mosier]

Originally Posted by Guinastasia

My personal theory is that he's actually a Freeper posing as their idea of a liberal.

Now that I think about it, he's a great example of Poe's law. Nobody can parody Der Trihs effectively, because it's impossible to go more extreme than the shit he actually says.

This quote...

And if you're a true Christian you will then handcuff them to the bed for nine months and rub your hands gloating as they die in childbirth, if I've correctly understood the Gospel According To Der.

...and all the responses it sired aren't even close. They're things Der Trihs would actually accuse people of wanting to do.

Go ahead, I dare you. Parody Der Trihs in a way that nobody would confuse for something he actually said. Good luck!

[olivesmarch4th]

Originally Posted by cmyk

Kid has some wires crossed between "gun-shy" and "contempt".

He is pretty much the first person that comes to mind when I think of misogynists on the Dope. He never even caught my attention until that thread. I used to take the sexists very seriously but not so much lately... I try to think of them as the last gasping breath of misogyny in a world that has grown up and moved on. I know from experience that most men do not think in this way. But the fundamental problem for me is that I just can't grasp that level of absolutism about... well, hardly anything.

[Tristan]

Originally Posted by Mosier

Go ahead, I dare you. Parody Der Trihs in a way that nobody would confuse for something he actually said. Good luck!

"Republicans would set up death camps for athiests if they...." no, he said that.

"The US would commit genocide in Iraq, happily. Not even for oil, just because they can, and they want to..." no, he said that too.

"I support the Iraqi insurgents, and cheer for each death of their invaders, US and other coalition forces." Nope, he has said that (essentially) as well.

"religion is a mental illness, and those who suffer from it should be locked up." Damn. This is hard.

"Those who raise their children to believe in religion are guilty of child abuse."

"Every US soldier is a war criminal, without exception."

Ok, I begin to think you are correct. He is SO over the top, he has said so many trollishly rediculous things, that he is impossible to parody.

For those wondering, yes, he has said if not directly, than close to many of the things I posted there. Anyone who thinks he is rational and brings ANYTHING to a discussion on politics, history, US policy, or religion is delusional. He does nothing but lower the bar, and poison the well.

This is all from memory, btw. I haven't seen most of anything he has posted in the last year or so, for reasons we can't go into.

[Beware of Doug]

Der is just aping the engagement style of '60s campus radicals: black and white statements with the volume cranked to 11.

I know the mindset. Provocation is not just the means, it is an end in itself. Critical thinking taken any further is nuance and hairsplitting, a tool of the elites to distract one from the barricades and the frontlines. The difference today is that the frontlines are just talk like everything else.

[John Mace]

I wasn't aware of the misogyny until this thread. Really. I only knew about his inability to have a rational discussion about religion, business or US politics. This ads a whole 'nuther dimension to the poor fellow.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by Rick

You just keep thinking that Pollyanna.

Inability to process non-literal language? Yip, you're a Doper.

BTW, how many people did Pollyanna call fucking shits who have no right to be alive?

[Measure for Measure]

Originally Posted by Mosier

Go ahead, I dare you. Parody Der Trihs in a way that nobody would confuse for something he actually said. Good luck!

My preferred parlor game would be to pretend that he's the embodiment of sweet reason. "Now of course I don't agree with everything he says..."
----

Separately and stating the obvious, Der's politics aren't especially mysogynistic. It's just that he has an apocalyptic world view that bleeds into pretty much everything, some of his tastes in sci-fi being a possible exception.

[Loach]

Originally Posted by BigT

Inability to process non-literal language? Yip, you're a Doper.

BTW, how many people did Pollyanna call fucking shits who have no right to be alive?

12

[suranyi]

His misogyny -- which does not come out all the time, but only in certain threads -- is the main reason I can't take him seriously.

Politically, I agree with many of his points of view, although I insist that it is possible to be sociable with people I disagree with. (He doesn't, which makes me wonder how he functions in everyday life.)

But his obvious contempt for women and family really turns me off. I know a lot of liberals, and generally they love their SOs, their parents, and their children. As far as I can tell this is all foreign to him.

[gamerunknown]

He did correct me on a factual issue in a thread on abortion before, for which I was grateful. Didn't state it, but there you go.

[jackdavinci]

Meh. Weak. He might be misogynist but the examples given in the OP are poor. They are more an example of a fear of misandry. That's like calling feminists male hating bigots.

[Jimmy Chitwood]

Originally Posted by jackdavinci

Meh. Weak. He might be misogynist but the examples given in the OP are poor. They are more an example of a fear of misandry.

I think they're pretty clear examples of his indefatigably paranoid brand of misogyny, once you realize that he's lying when he relates his understanding of the feminist point of view. When a person misrepresents a totally unremarkable idea, say, thirty times, in the exact same way, to get to a particular conclusion, you start to wonder whether there's some sort of agenda at work there. Find a thread where he offers his ideas on gender relations, and you'll find him shouting down the people he's afraid of in order to tell them what they think.

[Lightnin']

Well, sure... but he's our Misogynistic Jackass who gives both progressives and men a bad name

[Damuri Ajashi]

Originally Posted by rogerbox

Stop arguing against arguments I didn't make and admit that Der Trihs is not as bad as GWB.

I think what he's saying is that IF Der Trihs were president, he would do worse things than GWB did. He would make us all get gay married, force us all to have abortions and ban religion (of course he wouldn't do any of those things except perhaps ban religion).

Originally Posted by John Mace

I wasn't aware of the misogyny until this thread. Really. I only knew about his inability to have a rational discussion about religion, business or US politics. This ads a whole 'nuther dimension to the poor fellow.

I have run into this facet of Der Trihs liberalism in threads about child support. He doesn't believe men should have to pay child support for children they did not want. In other words if women have the right to choose whther or not to have a child then so should men. I think in his mind, he is not for women's rights, he is for equal rights (and that frequently means falling on the feminist end of the spectrum).

I've never had problems with the whole consent issue in sex but I have no idea what sort of experience Der Trihs is used to or what sort of crowds he hangs out with. Maybe all the women he knows are in the "all sex is rape" camp and that has skewed his view.

He takes pretty extreme positions and I almost always disagree with him but while the extremists on the right have never said anything convincing, Der Trihs has managed to shift my position a little bit on things like abortion and gay marraige.

[Larry Borgia]

I will say one thing in favor of Der Trihs: He's not a 9/11 truther. I realize that sounds like damning with faint praise, but 9/11 Conspiracy theories must have been very tempting to someone with his paranoid worldview. I'm a bit impressed that he has enough of a commitment to rationality to see them for the nonsense they are.

[Skald the Rhymer]

Originally Posted by Tristan

Ideally, he should be placed under a kanicbird like restriction on posting in political or religious threads

kanic is under such a restriction? I was not aware of this.

[Tristan]

It may have been lifted, to be honest, but kanicbird was, at least once upon a time, restricted to posting questions and posts to a specific thread in GD that were in regards to either his rather ...unusual religious beliefs, or Life After Death. I can't recall which. And it's possible I am confusing him for another poster entirely.

That all being said, there is precedence. We had a poster by the name of handy who was prohibited from posting medical advice in threads, and I'm sure there are others.

While Der Trihs does not turn any thread he posts in into the Der show, I think this is because he doesn't respond to every person who posts in response to him like Dio used to. Hell, he doesn't respond to me at all anymore, but I think that might be because we have mutually ignored each other.

[Cheshire Human]

Originally Posted by Tristan

And it's possible I am confusing him for another poster entirely.

lekatt is the moron you are remembering.

[Tristan]

Originally Posted by Cheshire Human

lekatt is the moron you are remembering.

AH HA! Thank you.

My apologies to kanicbird.

My suggestion stands. One thread in GD titled poke the moron "Der Trihs defends his thesis statements" and all of his political and religous arguements to take place there.

[The Dord]

Originally Posted by RickJay

There's such a thing in life as considering the degree of something. Der Trihs is a man - a white man, I believe - in a First World country. He is, as someone once put it, playing the video game of life on its lowest difficulty setting.

All in all, the relatively low likelihood of a minor slight of the sort you mentioned doesn't quite outweigh the advantages.

and sometimes he uses that fucking Game Genie.. DAMN HIM!

[elfkin477]

Originally Posted by LavenderBlue

Yeah. I sort of like the guy. He can be very charming when he's not ranting.

Originally Posted by John Mace

I must have blinked and missed it.

He doesn't rant in CS threads.

[Ted Striker]

Originally Posted by John Mace

He's just as bad as the people he hates (well, the people he hates the most, since he seems to hate just about everybody). As I said in the other thread, he's exactly like GW Bush or any religious fundamentalist. He's impervious to facts that don't fit his pre-conceived ideas, and he will never admit he's wrong on anything related to politics or religion. He's a sad little man filled with hate and anger.

A lot like certain leftists on a board in Canada that I sometimes frequent.

[Leaffan]

Originally Posted by Ted Striker

A lot like certain leftists on a board in Canada that I sometimes frequent.

Striker, Striker, Striker...................

[Really Not All That Bright]

I endorse the OP.

[A Monkey With a Gun]

Originally Posted by Leaffan

Striker, Striker, Striker...................

c'mon now, don't tell people to hit women. That just ain't right.