Tomndebb, you lighten the fuck up

[RaftPeople]

Originally Posted by RaftPeople

I'm curious prr, have you ever written a post like that?

What about to peers, like on the SDMB? (You know my next question will be to ask for a cite).

My point is that there are probably about 17 posts total in the history of the SDMB that generally match the sentiment you posted, and I've seen cases where you've been a _____ but never posted anything like that (no insults allowed so I am calling you an underline) (2nd note: don't worry I know I'm a _______ sometimes also)...so it seems like you've set the bar pretty high for tom.

[RedFury]

Originally Posted by Czarcasm

A bit of "friendly fire" there, dude.
edited to add: You forget the ever popular "circle the wagons".

Ya' think? No shit.

As for the "circling the wagons" bit -- again, no shit. Only time it hasn't happened a whole new Long Neck Board broke out. And HUGE kudos to that person for doing so. We could do with some independent thinking by TPTB around here*. Funny thing is, for the most part I like & agree with you as a poster. And you weren't half bad as a Mod either. But what you're doing now...

*FWIW, G-Factor did an awesome job stepping into what was likely the hardest Mod job in the SDMB at the time ("Fuckcuntgate" was the epitome of idiocy), and IMHO, Miller's done a great job himself. Funny that neither one strikes me as the "hive-mind" sort. Coincidence? Doubt it.

[pseudotriton ruber ruber]

Make me a Mod, and I'll display compassion and kindness to the hordes I will then look down on from on high. Until that day, I'll continue my own churlish manners.

(Actually, if you make me a Mod, we will all die from the force of Marley's head asploding, so please don't even mention such a thing.)

Seriously, I'd like the Mods to be much less overbearing, considering that they can enforce their opinions. Tom simply telling Oakie "Isn't your language a little hyperbolic?" would have had the same effect as his charging into the threads with six-guns blazing.

[samclem]

Originally Posted by pseudotriton ruber ruber

Seriously, I'd like the Mods to be much less overbearing, considering that they can enforce their opinions. Tom simply telling Oakie "Isn't your language a little hyperbolic?" would have had the same effect as his charging into the threads with six-guns blazing.

Speaking of hyperbole.

tom came into the thread with his sixguns still in their holsters, and walked up to the bad guy poster and said-------"smile when you say that." Not a warning in sight.

[Oakminster]

Originally Posted by Oakminster

How was my post not polite? I did not insult the guy, I merely stated that I object to the way he phrased it, and I explained why.

I'd like Tom to respond to this, please.

[Ionizer]

Originally Posted by Oakminster

I'd like Tom to respond to this, please.

Me, too, Oak. Me, too.

[RedFury]

Mealymouthed response coming in 5...4...3...2...

Hmm...better take bets.

[Superdude]

Originally Posted by Oakminster

My post was a statement of fact. Multiple facts, actually:

1. I do object to the language used.
2. The U.S. has an all volunteer force.
3. Nobody gets a pass in a draft with an all volunteer force.
4. People either join up, or they don't.

All facts. None of which become more or less factual depending on the interpretation of the post to which I replied.

Forgive my ignorance on the issue, but a draft with an all volunteer force seems to be a bit either contradictory or disingenuous. Are you referring to an event that has happened before that I'm not aware of, or making a reference to a situation that may happen in the future?

I only ask because I've never actually heard that term before, and am wondering if there's a history of what you describe. Googling "draft with an all volunteer force" didn't turn up anything that I found helpful.

[Freddy the Pig]

Originally Posted by Superdude

I only ask because I've never actually heard that term before, and am wondering if there's a history of what you describe.

Right. He is saying that no one gets a "pass in the draft" with an all-volunteer force, because there is no draft.

[John Mace]

Originally Posted by Oakminster

I'd like Tom to respond to this, please.

While you could have phrased it more kindly, I wouldn't consider "I object to..." to be impolite. Direct, but not impolite. Nothing wrong with direct, IMO.

[Oakminster]

Originally Posted by John Mace

While you could have phrased it more kindly, I wouldn't consider "I object to..." to be impolite. Direct, but not impolite. Nothing wrong with direct, IMO.

The "I object" phrasing is pretty much a reflex for lawyers. I guess according to Tom, phrasing that would pass muster in any Court I've ever practiced in is just too harsh to use on his forum.

[Superdude]

Originally Posted by Freddy the Pig

Right. He is saying that no one gets a "pass in the draft" with an all-volunteer force, because there is no draft.

Ah. Gotcha. Thanks.

Please, everyone, continue arguing.

[Oakminster]

Not much arguing going on anymore. The overwhelming consensus is that Tom was wrong and apparently isn't willing to admit it.

[John Mace]

Originally Posted by Oakminster

The "I object" phrasing is pretty much a reflex for lawyers.

Well, many non-lawyers find lawyerly ways to be... uhm, let's just say "not endearing". Sometimes it's best not to use our professional phraseology in everyday conversation. I'm not claiming to be a paragon of that virtue-- far from it-- but I can at least see where it isn't always the best call.

[Senegoid]

Originally Posted by John Mace

Well, many non-lawyers find lawyerly ways to be... uhm, let's just say "not endearing". Sometimes it's best not to use our professional phraseology in everyday conversation. I'm not claiming to be a paragon of that virtue-- far from it-- but I can at least see where it isn't always the best call.

OTOH -- I can see a case for appreciating that lawyers reflexively speak lawyer-speak -- the sooner the better, so I can run the other way before choosing to deal with them.

Once upon a time, I inquired about renting an apartment. A gentleman called me back, identifying himself as the owner, saying he wanted to talk with me -- essentially, just to chit-chat and get a sense of what kind of tenant I might be.

I guess he didn't consider that, at the same time, I was checking out what kind of landlord he might be. His speech was littered with lawyerese. By the end of the conversation, I sure didn't want to be any tenant of his. I'm glad I found out early.

[Cicero]

So, did Tomndebb lighten the fuck up? Or do I have to read the whole thread to find out?

[FoieGrasIsEvil]

Originally Posted by Cicero

So, did Tomndebb lighten the fuck up? Or do I have to read the whole thread to find out?

Nope. He has an aversion to light.

[Doctor]

How I picture the mods!

[Patty O'Furniture]

Originally Posted by Doctor

How I picture the mods!

I don't imagine them anywhere near that handsome.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by Czarcasm

That's your response to being told to "lighten the fuck up"?

And why exactly would your personal feelings have anything to do with doing your job as a moderator?

[Guinastasia]

Originally Posted by BigT

And why exactly would your personal feelings have anything to do with doing your job as a moderator?

Oh snap!

[Cartooniverse]

Originally Posted by Oakminster

I'd like Tom to respond to this, please.

Don't be waitin' up nights on this one.