Stupid Republican idea of the day

[Kobal2]

Oh, the Republican majority leader in Pennsylvania was even more plainspoken than that. I assume he's the one who was the first "Republican being more honest that he's supposed to be" that you mentionned, but I've gone back a few pages and he hasn't made an appearance so in the interest of completeness and thoroughness in our entomological exercize...

I swear I quote verbatim, because I can't make this shit up:

Originally Posted by Mike Turzai at the Republican State Committee

Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the State of Pennsylvania ? Done.

That's some refreshing honesty and dispensing with the bullshit. It's kinda cool actually, how the whole system is so hopelessly corrupt and rendered dysfunctional by partisan hackery that they don't even feel the need to pretend it's not any more.

Well, maybe "cool" is not the best choice of adjective.

[elucidator]

In the sense of lacking warmth, like a rattlesnake's heart, sure.

[Knorf]

I object to your impugning rattlesnakes like that.

[Morgyn]

And creationism rears its ugly head again, only to be (temporarily, at least) defeated by budget concerns. Like the LA legislators who got what they wanted with school vouchers (until they discovered that Muslim schools were covered by that, too), in 2009 the KY legislators successfully tied "the state's testing program to national education standards", and now they're not happy to discover the emphasis on evolution and the complete lack of creationism. In fact, one legislator says, "The theory of evolution is a theory, and essentially the theory of evolution is not science — Darwin made it up."

Ah, fundamentalist evangelicals, the controlling loonies of the Republican Party. The gift that keeps right on giving.

[Knorf]

Originally Posted by Morgyn

Ah, fundamentalist evangelicals, the controlling loonies of the Republican Party. The gift that keeps right on giving.

That's the silver lining, I suppose, in the cloud of their constant attempts to destroy this country's core values and the principles of democracy: their actions and words provide amply fodder for mockery.

[Evil Captor]

Originally Posted by Morgyn

And creationism rears its ugly head again, only to be (temporarily, at least) defeated by budget concerns. Like the LA legislators who got what they wanted with school vouchers (until they discovered that Muslim schools were covered by that, too), in 2009 the KY legislators successfully tied "the state's testing program to national education standards", and now they're not happy to discover the emphasis on evolution and the complete lack of creationism. In fact, one legislator says, "The theory of evolution is a theory, and essentially the theory of evolution is not science — Darwin made it up."

Ah, fundamentalist evangelicals, the controlling loonies of the Republican Party. The gift that keeps right on giving.

Every time one of those idiots comes up with a quote like that, it's like a gift to moderates and progressives, because it makes the conservatives look so ridiculous. Question is, will it get into the mainstream media where the people who need to hear it, will hear it?

[Morgyn]

Originally Posted by Evil Captor

Every time one of those idiots comes up with a quote like that, it's like a gift to moderates and progressives, because it makes the conservatives look so ridiculous. Question is, will it get into the mainstream media where the people who need to hear it, will hear it?

The only "mainstream media" the people who need to hear this listen to is Fox News, and I rather doubt this will show up there. The second link was to a Lexington newspaper, but we all know that newspapers are notoriously liberal and thus not to be trusted.

[Frostillicus]

Originally Posted by Morgyn

And creationism rears its ugly head again, only to be (temporarily, at least) defeated by budget concerns. Like the LA legislators who got what they wanted with school vouchers (until they discovered that Muslim schools were covered by that, too), in 2009 the KY legislators successfully tied "the state's testing program to national education standards", and now they're not happy to discover the emphasis on evolution and the complete lack of creationism. In fact, one legislator says, "The theory of evolution is a theory, and essentially the theory of evolution is not science — Darwin made it up."

Ah, fundamentalist evangelicals, the controlling loonies of the Republican Party. The gift that keeps right on giving.

Yeah, Kentucky started using the ACT as their statewide test and then got pissed that the Science portion of the test had questions about evolution. They asked ACT to write a special test just for Kentucky that would eliminate these kinds of questions and ACT told them to pound sand once they stopped laughing.

[Ca3799]

Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.), GOP Senate nominee, when asked about abortion in the case of rape or incest said ""From what I understand from doctors, that's really rare. If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let's assume maybe that didn't work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist."

So is he lying when he says that "the doctors" that told him that? I think so. Does he believe the female body can "shut that whole thing down"? Probably.

[jayjay]

Originally Posted by Ca3799

Does he believe the female body can "shut that whole thing down"? Probably.

Well, the female body (and especially the area "down there") IS, after all, a Great and Wonderful Mystery Of Nature which decent people would never try to know too much about...

[Gyrate]

Originally Posted by jayjay

Well, the female body (and especially the area "down there") IS, after all, a Great and Wonderful Mystery Of Nature which decent people would never try to know too much about...

...hence the need to shun anyone using the V-word in polite company.

[Maus Magill]

Well, to be honest, Va-jay-jay just sounds stupid.

Oh wait, you mean the other V-word.

[septimus]

Originally Posted by Ca3799

Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.), GOP Senate nominee, when asked about abortion in the case of rape or incest said ""From what I understand from doctors, that's really rare. If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down..."

How could any woman vote GOP, at least if this sort of nonsense is publicized properly?

From a news article

Medical experts estimate that about 30,000 American women each year become pregnant as a result of rape.

To put this in perspective, it means most smallish towns have women pregnant from rape right now.

[elucidator]

Originally Posted by Maus Magill

Well, to be honest, Va-jay-jay just sounds stupid.

Oh wait, you mean the other V-word.

In the female, the generative organ is subject to wild hormonal influences. In the male, the generative organ is discerning and rational, and can be relied upon for solid and responsible decisions.

[jsc1953]

Let's dig deeper into the phrase "legitimate rape". This presupposes the existence of "illegitimate rape": you may say it was rape, but you really consented and probably enjoyed it. In other words: in Akin's eyes, if a woman is pregnant and says it's because she was raped....she's lying.

[Maus Magill]

Originally Posted by septimus

How could any woman vote GOP, at least if this sort of nonsense is publicized properly?

From a news article

To put this in perspective, it means most smallish towns have women pregnant from rape right now.

Yes, but those are not from legitimate rape. Everyone knows how women work. Sometimes their eyes say "yes" while their mouths are saying "No." And this business about "marital rape." Everyone knows that if it's between a husband and his wife, it's not rape. There's also "non-consensual sex." If she didn't secretly want it, she wouldn't have dress like that, and had those drinks. Especially, the one with Rohypnol in it. She should have had a friend watching her drinks, if she weren't looking for it.

[Kobal2]

Originally Posted by Ca3799

Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.), GOP Senate nominee, when asked about abortion in the case of rape or incest said ""From what I understand from doctors, that's really rare. If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let's assume maybe that didn't work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist."

So is he lying when he says that "the doctors" that told him that? I think so. Does he believe the female body can "shut that whole thing down"? Probably.

My favourite bit of the statement (in a staring at a slow-motion car crash kind of way) is "legitimate rape". You know, because he felt the need to underscore that he's talking about really rapey rapes. Not one of those half-rapes where you can tell the sleazy slut is really into it, even as she's crying for help and begging Daddy to stop in between sobs. Raping those girls is just fine. It's really illegitimate to call that rape, amirite guys ?
And that's where the whole female body shit gets off the ground : if she gets raped and winds up preggers, she must have been a slut all along and it weren't rape ! Oh patriarchy, you so dreamy. Mr. Todd Akin ? Fuck off, would you kindly ? Keep fucking off. Never stop fucking off.

ETA: goddammit, ninja'd so hard.

[Really Not All That Bright]

Originally Posted by septimus

How could any woman vote GOP, at least if this sort of nonsense is publicized properly?

From a news article

To put this in perspective, it means most smallish towns have women pregnant from rape right now.

Assuming, conservatively, that 75% of those pregnancies are terminated within two months, about 6700 women are pregnant as the result of rape at any given time. More than a third of the US population lives in the 15 largest cities, so that leaves ~4500 women. The "most smallish towns" thing seems like a bit of a stretch.

[Mr. Greenjeans]

Originally Posted by Kobal2

ETA: goddammit, ninja'd so hard.

Did you enjoy it? If you did, you weren't really ninja'd.

[Sinaptics]

Originally Posted by Maus Magill

Yes, but those are not from legitimate rape. Everyone knows how women work. Sometimes their eyes say "yes" while their mouths are saying "No." And this business about "marital rape." Everyone knows that if it's between a husband and his wife, it's not rape. There's also "non-consensual sex." If she didn't secretly want it, she wouldn't have dress like that, and had those drinks. Especially, the one with Rohypnol in it. She should have had a friend watching her drinks, if she weren't looking for it.

I've seen a quote from Rand Paul (which I can't find at the moment) that basically says that if a woman really was raped, the hospital would have dispensed contraceptives.

Of course, the flaw is this reasoning is apparent to anyone with any critical thinking skills.

[guizot]

Originally Posted by Sinaptics

Of course, the flaw is this reasoning is apparent to anyone with any critical thinking skills.

Well, it depends. Was that his legitimate opinion, or just something he said?

[Boyo Jim]

What women say is, "I've been raped."

What these clowns hear is, "Um, I've been raped. Yeah, that's the ticket -- raped. Even though I was dressed real sexy and teased him, it was really really rape. I'm pretty sure."

[Sinaptics]

Originally Posted by guizot

Well, it depends. Was that his legitimate opinion, or just something he said?

Found the quote, it's from a CNN interview. Pulled from a lefty site, still trying to find the original CNN link. Not quite what I remember. He appears to be differentiating between those who seek abortion for rape and those that seek abortion and just claim rape to get the abortion. Some hysterical people on the left latched on to the "honest rape" part of the quote and had a fit. Here's an excerpt:

MORGAN: Here's the dilemma, and it's one I put to Rick Santorum very recently. I was surprised by his answer, although I sort of understood from his belief point of view that he would come up with this.

But it's a dilemma that I am going to put to you. You have two daughters. You have many granddaughters. If one of them was raped -- and I accept it's a very unlikely thing to happen. But if they were, would you honestly look at them in the eye and say they had to have that child if they were impregnated?

PAUL: No. If it's an honest rape, that individual should go immediately to the emergency room. I would give them a shot of estrogen or give them --

[Boyo Jim]

How about a link to where you found his interview?

[septimus]

Originally Posted by Really Not All That Bright

Assuming, conservatively, that 75% of those pregnancies are terminated within two months, about 6700 women are pregnant as the result of rape at any given time. More than a third of the US population lives in the 15 largest cities, so that leaves ~4500 women. The "most smallish towns" thing seems like a bit of a stretch.

I sit corrected.

I'd hoped the smallish would give me a fudgish out, but in fact overlooked that most the pregnancies would be aborted.

[jsgoddess]

More in the history of Republicans making shit up about rape pregnancy: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...hes-not-alone/

[Sinaptics]

Originally Posted by Boyo Jim

How about a link to where you found his interview?

If was a lefty site with only a transcript, no video. Didn't want to link to it. Additionally, it was Ron Paul and not Rand Paul as I had thought.

Here is a link with video. Still can't find it on CNN:

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/...woman-should-g

[OttoDaFe]

Board rules bar me from using a quote, but I have to point out that jayjay was a little off the mark:

Well, the female body (and especially the area "down there") IS, after all, a Great and Wonderful Mystery Of Nature GodAlmightyThroughThePowerOfJesusChristAllPraiseHisNameAmenHallelujah which decent people would never try to know too much about...

Incidentally, while I can't find a link, I distinctly recall hearing another Republican legislator making a similar claim. Except in that case, he said that the Holy Ghost* would intervene and prevent the pregnancy. Anyone else recall that?

*Makes sense, since the HG already knows his(?) way around the female reproductive system. I mean, it worked with the Virgin Mary, didn't it?

[Rhythmdvl]

Any chance by ‘legitimate’ he meant someone who was raped (whether date-, marital-, forceable-, etc.) rather than someone who is merely claiming to have been raped in order to get around an abortion restriction?

There is still plenty of room to pillory him for his asinine statement, but it’s possible that harping on the ‘legitimate’ thing is missing quality SRIotD for a misinterpreted sidetrack.

[Boyo Jim]

Originally Posted by Rhythmdvl

Any chance by ‘legitimate’ he meant someone who was raped (whether date-, marital-, forceable-, etc.) rather than someone who is merely claiming to have been raped in order to get around an abortion restriction?

There is still plenty of room to pillory him for his asinine statement, but it’s possible that harping on the ‘legitimate’ thing is missing quality SRIotD for a misinterpreted sidetrack.

I'm sure that's what he did mean, but so what? It suggests that many women are claiming to be raped in order to get abortions, and there's not evidence, and hardly any need of it, since they can get an abortion whether or not they were raped.

No, what it is is a bullshit rationalization for not even including an exemption in anti-abortion legislation for rape. Because, after all, the woman's body will know it and spontaneously abort the fetus.

[Rhythmdvl]

Originally Posted by Boyo Jim

I'm sure that's what he did mean, but so what? It suggests that many women are claiming to be raped in order to get abortions, and there's not evidence, and hardly any need of it, since they can get an abortion whether or not they were raped.

No, what it is is a bullshit rationalization for not even including an exemption in anti-abortion legislation for rape. Because, after all, the woman's body will know it and spontaneously abort the fetus.

You're right. The bold part is the career-ending, horrid, outrageous, repugnant part of the statement. It's what got him front and center in the thread. The rest is standard thread-fodder. Not that that eases it, just that it's 'baseline' crap.

[a35362]

Where do these guys pick up this kind of misinformation? I remember Newt Gingrich saying something about why women can't serve in the military because they can't be in the trenches for a month at a time (trench warfare?), and he seemed to think that a woman's menstrual period was some kind of an infection.

For someone who has known as many women as he has, you'd think he'd have more of a clue about women's bodies.

[Fear Itself]

Originally Posted by a35362

For someone who has known as many women as he has, you'd think he'd have more of a clue about women's bodies.

Maybe that's what they told him.

"Sorry Newt, it's that month of the year; see you in September."

[a35362]

Darn you! Now I've got that tune in my head.

"Bye-bye; so long; farewell..."

[Morgyn]

Originally Posted by elucidator

In the female, the generative organ is subject to wild hormonal influences. In the male, the generative organ is discerning and rational, and can be relied upon for solid and responsible decisions.

Originally Posted by Robin Williams

God gave men both a penis and a brain, but unfortunately not enough blood supply to run both at the same time.

[Ca3799]

Originally Posted by a35362

Where do these guys pick up this kind of misinformation? I remember Newt Gingrich saying something about why women can't serve in the military because they can't be in the trenches for a month at a time (trench warfare?), and he seemed to think that a woman's menstrual period was some kind of an infection.

For someone who has known as many women as he has, you'd think he'd have more of a clue about women's bodies.

Pro life and pro-family groups. As usual, a small group of the religious feel like 'it's OK to lie in the service of a greater good.'

Akin was a board member of Missouri Right To Life. They and the Susan B Anthony List (another anti abortion group) have both sent out public messages of support to Akin. The Family Research Council and their Pac support Akin and said it was a "gotcha" question.

"‘God’s Little Shield’: A Short History Of The False No-Pregnancy-From-Rape Theory": http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...ry.php?ref=fpa

[Fear Itself]

Originally Posted by Ca3799

Pro life and pro-family groups. As usual, a small group of the religious feel like 'it's OK to lie in the service of a greater good.

Another one they push whenever possible is, "abortion causes breast cancer".

[BigAppleBucky]

Apparently they're going to be building their entire campaign on a quote taken out of context.

If by “This” they mean a vast military, the Department of Homeland Security with airport pat downs, support for church run schools while suppressing science teaching and critical thinking, Patriot Act no warrant searches, and Gitmo, what’s not to like?

[Really Not All That Bright]

People will probably assume they mean Tampa, and laugh.

[Gyrate]

Originally Posted by BigAppleBucky

Apparently they're going to be building their entire campaign on a quote taken out of context.

All the Dems have to do is play that Starship song a couple of times and any gravitas it may have had goes right out the window.

[Steve MB]

Apparently they hope to achieve some sort of Pyramid Power type effect by surrounding their candidate with the proper feng shui:

The campaign aides are determined to overcome perceptions that Mr. Romney is stiff, aloof and distant. So they have built one of the most intricate set pieces ever designed for a convention — a $2.5 million Frank Lloyd Wright-inspired theatrical stage. From its dark-wood finish to the brightly glowing high-resolution screens in the rafters that look like skylights, every aspect of the stage has been designed to convey warmth, approachability and openness.

[Snowboarder Bo]

Originally Posted by BigAppleBucky

Apparently they're going to be building their entire campaign on a quote taken out of context.

If by “This” they mean a vast military, the Department of Homeland Security with airport pat downs, support for church run schools while suppressing science teaching and critical thinking, Patriot Act no warrant searches, and Gitmo, what’s not to like?

It's even easier than that for the Dems to bitchslap their slogan to hell:

I see a Democratic ad campaign called "They Built This:"

They Built This: (shots of neighborhoods of foreclosed homes)

They Built This: (shots of war-ravaged Iraq)

They Built This: (shots of Enron building and similar)

Closing tagline: Does America really need them to build more of that?

NOTE TO DEMOCRATIC CAMPAIGNS: You can use this, but I want credit for it.

[Snowboarder Bo]

Originally Posted by Steve MB

Apparently they hope to achieve some sort of Pyramid Power type effect by surrounding their candidate with the proper feng shui:

Did the Republicans learn anything from their last foray into multimedia image-making?

[LeeshaJoy]

Originally Posted by Gyrate

All the Dems have to do is play that Starship song a couple of times and any gravitas it may have had goes right out the window.

Do they even need to actually play it? Raise your hand if you didn't immediately have the song going through your head the moment you read "We Built This."

[Really Not All That Bright]

Originally Posted by LeeshaJoy

Do they even need to actually play it? Raise your hand if you didn't immediately have the song going through your head the moment you read "We Built This."

It's been going through my head for like an hour and I couldn't figure out why until just now.

[Onomatopoeia]

Originally Posted by LeeshaJoy

Do they even need to actually play it? Raise your hand if you didn't immediately have the song going through your head the moment you read "We Built This."

Thanks to BigAppleBucky I'm going to have that stupid song in my head all day. But yeah, to Snowboarder Bo's point, that slogan is easily exploitable. Let's see if the Dems take advantage of it.

[gamerunknown]

I'm sure the Republicans will come up with an objective test to determine whether or not a woman has a traditional foetus.

Originally Posted by BigAppleBucky

“We Built This” is to be the theme of the RNC convention

Storm's a comin'. Or so I hear. We built this, our liberal attitude towards homosexuality tore it down?

[Gangster Octopus]

Originally Posted by Steve MB

Apparently they hope to achieve some sort of Pyramid Power type effect by surrounding their candidate with the proper feng shui:

they really need to stop trying to make Romney human. He's not and the transparent attempts to make it so just make it worse.

[Buck Godot]

Originally Posted by Gyrate

All the Dems have to do is play that Starship song a couple of times and any gravitas it may have had goes right out the window.

Actually given the cluelessness of the Republicans regarding song lyrics, I wouldn't be surprised if this was used as the theme song of their own convention.

[user_hostile]

Now Atkin's pleading for 'giveness.

"Rape is an evil act," Akin says in the 30-second ad. "I used the wrong words in the wrong way and for that I apologize. As the father of two daughters, I want tough justice for predators. I have a compassionate heart for the victims of sexual assault. I pray for them. The fact is rape can lead to pregnancy. The truth is rape has many victims. The mistake I made was in the words I said, not in the heart I hold. I ask for your forgiveness."

I'm sure the Gerd-Fearing folks of the Show Me state who support Atkins will proclaim Jebus's Love is all encompassing and will forgive brother Atkins for his transgressions 'o ignorance; after all, no harm done, right?

God bless his lit'l ol the-slut-was-asking-for-it heart.