The Hobbit movie(s) anticipation thread

[galen ubal]

New Video Blog.

[Elendil's Heir]

Originally Posted by galen ubal

New Video Blog.

Good stuff - thanks! Surprised they showed so much of Legolas.

[teela brown]

I love how the actors stare at the trailer at the con with the same slack-jawed delight as any geek fan.

[Elendil's Heir]

Brace yourself - it might become a trilogy: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea...er-bros-353719

[carnivorousplant]

Originally Posted by Elendil's Heir

Brace yourself - it might become a trilogy: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea...er-bros-353719

The Hobbit: The Search for More Money.

[jayjay]

Originally Posted by Elendil's Heir

Brace yourself - it might become a trilogy: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea...er-bros-353719

I sure hope not...I don't think, under any examination of the actual book, it's possibly long enough to justify three parts. That's a LOT of padding...

[Tanbarkie]

Originally Posted by jayjay

I sure hope not...I don't think, under any examination of the actual book, it's possibly long enough to justify three parts. That's a LOT of padding...

Word on the (extremely vague, speculative) street is that it's not so much an expansion of the second movie as much as a return of the "bridge film" idea. Film 2 should still conclude "The Hobbit." Film 3 will, if made, depict some of the events between "The Hobbit" and LOTR as described in the Appendices.

I think this is less a money grab than a "Jackson can't let go of the LOTRverse" situation... and honestly, I can't really blame him. He's created a beautiful cinematic universe in which he gets to play with some of the best actors and effects artists in the business. If Jackson and his cowriters manage to come up with a compelling, coherent narrative for the third film, I'm all for it. It's a ridiculously tall order, though.

[jayjay]

But really all there is in there is the very sparsely described White Council vs. Necromancer intrigues and Gollum's adventures in Sauron's pain pits.

[Grey]

Between coming home and finding the silverware gone and leaving in a bang what really happens over those 60 years?

Frodo/Sam/Merry/Pippin are born
Gimli is born
Aragon leaves Rivendell and travels thourgh Rohan/Gondor and into the East
Gandalf wanders around
White Council debates the rings
Sauron builds Mordor back up
Gollum wanders and is captured
Gandalf/Aragorn hunt Gollum

Looks sparse with no character to connect them unless you use Gandalf or Aragorn. But the movies have all had Hobbits to ground them. Not sure how this would work.

[carnivorousplant]

Originally Posted by Grey

Gandalf/Aragorn hunt Gollum

I don't recall Aragorn hunting Gollum.

[Grey]

That was how Gandalf gets a chance to interrogate Gollum and why Legolas shows up in Rivendell - Gollum escapes from the elves of Mirkwood.

More details based on the books. Gandalf is uneasy about Bilbo and the ring. He starts looking for Gollum but fails to find him and he lets the matter rest. After seeing Bilbo's behaviour in letting go of the ring following the birthday party he enlists Aragorn to help him and they search everywhere. Gandalf gets frustrated and realizes Isildur may have left a description of the ruling ring in Minas Tirith. So he leaves Aragorn and finds the scroll that talks about glowing elvish script on the ring.

Aragorn meanwhile, finds Gollum.

[MrDibble]

Originally Posted by carnivorousplant

I don't recall Aragorn hunting Gollum.

per Wiki;

Gandalf asked Aragorn to track Gollum, who had previously possessed the Ring. This hunt led Aragorn across Rhovanion, and he finally captured Gollum in the Dead Marshes northwest of Mordor and brought him captive to King Thranduil’s halls in Mirkwood, where Gandalf questioned him.

[carnivorousplant]

Thanks, MrDibble.

[A Dodgy Dude]

At what point in the story does the first movie end?

[Grey]

Well the recent footage I've seen shows barrels and that's it. So I'm guessing escape from Thranduil's halls will mark the end.

[squeegee]

Originally Posted by Grey

Well the recent footage I've seen shows barrels and that's it. So I'm guessing escape from Thranduil's halls will mark the end.

They do show the town of Dale in this last video blog, so it seems they get to there.

[Grey]

But Dale is after Lake Town and after Bilbo floats down the river and sees the Lonely Mountain. That's strikes me as a better place to fade to black than wandering up the lake and through Dale.

Maybe they'll show the arrival of Smaug, the fall of Dale and the end of the Kingdom Under the Mountain at the start of the movie.

I remain worried and excited - though less worried than before.

[MrDibble]

Dale in the video blog looks pretty spruce, so I'm imagining a flashback.

[Disheavel]

I think the scenes of Dale and actually almost this entire last video blog is prefaced by Peter Jackson effectively saying, "You are lucky to be seeing this as most of this is in the second movie." So I agree with the barrels being a good breaking point as that is what we've seen in the earlier blogs.

[Mahaloth]

Three Hobbit Movies?

[Elendil's Heir]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Three Hobbit Movies?

Wow, that's almost exactly like post #354!

[Elendil's Heir]

Not a bad fan film, BTW: behold The Hunt for Gollum: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHoOaSnuuzw

[Meurglys]

Here's some speculaion on what more might be included in a trilogy...

[N9IWP]

TORN on the third movie:
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012...what-when-why/

As much as I like any Movie Middle Earth goodness, and (unlike some purists) like MOST of what PJ has done, but I'm still dubious that a third movie could work.

Brian

[N9IWP]

As posted elsewhere, it is now 3 films.

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012...ms-third-film/

According to TORN, the third film will be shown Summer 2014


Brian

[Mahaloth]

Yep, it is official. Three movies. Wow.

[Grey]

This will not go well.

Or,if you want to make more Middle Earth movies go ahead and make them but don't call cobble them all together and hang them off The Hobbit.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Grey

This will not go well.

Or,if you want to make more Middle Earth movies go ahead and make them but don't call cobble them all together and hang them off The Hobbit.

I'm pretty much a Peter Jackson supporter, but I kind of agree. I would have just preferred two extended editions. Odd choice.

[galen ubal]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I'm pretty much a Peter Jackson supporter, but I kind of agree. I would have just preferred two extended editions. Odd choice.

I'll withhold judgement on three Hobbit films - I think it can work, interweaving the known Hobbit storyline with Gandalf's involvement with the White Council and the Necromancer - but we'll see.
It's the Extended Edition idea I've started to have problems with. While I think PJ did fine with them in LOTR, I have the feeling that a film maker may get sloppy with the storyline in released movies, filling in the holes with an extended edition later. I recall some discussion about Prometheus, that Scott might release a special edition that fills in the (giant, gaping) storyline problems in that film. I feel that a movie should be released that tells a whole, complete story - any extended edition might include scenes that were cut for time/lack of importance, but it should not be necessary to do so to fill in holes left in the main release.

[Elendil's Heir]

Just saw the Hobbit trailer today at a showing of The Dark Knight Rises. It looked good! I have a lot of confidence in PJ (despite quite a few nits to pick in LOTR) and know he'll give a trilogy his best shot. He wouldn't have asked for more work, I suspect (and hope), if he didn't have some good ideas that he wanted to see realized on screen.

[Mahaloth]

The three titles are:

The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey

The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug

The Hobbit: There and Back Again


Makes me think Smaug dies in the second one and the final one is the battle and aftermath.

[jayjay]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

The three titles are:

The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey

The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug

The Hobbit: There and Back Again


Makes me think Smaug dies in the second one and the final one is the battle and aftermath.

The Desolation of Smaug has nothing to do with what happens to Smaug, but what Smaug happens to. It's the blasted region around Erebor which Smaug's depredations have ruined.

[squeegee]

I really really hope not, but my inner pessimist is telling me this 3-movie thing is going to be a flipping disaster. Don't do this to me, PJ.

[carnivorousplant]

Originally Posted by squeegee

I really really hope not, but my inner pessimist is telling me this 3-movie thing is going to be a flipping disaster. Don't do this to me, PJ.

As I said, "The Hobbit III-The Quest For More Money."

[Mahaloth]

The new trailer is out today and I have to say, it looks great.

[randwill]

Can anybody translate Gollum's lines in the new trailer into English. After repeated viewings, I still can't understand him.

[jayjay]

Originally Posted by randwill

Can anybody translate Gollum's lines in the new trailer into English. After repeated viewings, I still can't understand him.

"And if it loses, what then? Well, if it loses, Precious, then we eats it! If Baggins loses, we eats it whole."

[N9IWP]

If you go to www.thehobbit.com, they have different endings to the trailer



Brian

[carnivorousplant]

Originally Posted by N9IWP

If you go to www.thehobbit.com, they have different endings to the trailer



Brian

There are too many fuxing with it.

[Qadgop the Mercotan]

Very amusing!!

Loves gollum, we does! "I wasn't talking to you!"

[Mahaloth]

"I'm not sure it's even a sword. More like a letter opener."

[DMark]

Originally Posted by carnivorousplant

As I said, "The Hobbit III-The Quest For More Money."

Little footnote:
I have good friends who work for MGM, and the studio was truly hesitant about a third film. Peter Jackson had to really sell the idea to them.
Once they saw footage and understood what he was doing, they agreed there was more than enough material to warrant a third film. However, it was not a decision made lightly, based solely off greed (although I doubt they think they will lose any money on a 3rd film) but realizing Jackson had a vision that was making The Hobbit a far more fleshed-out film, researching Tolkein's notes and bringing lesser-known characters and events to light.

I have no doubt there will be/are naysayers and purists who only want what is word-for-word in the original book, but I have great faith in Jackson and his love of all things Middle Earth - and I would have no problem if he filmed Part 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9...111.

As far as I am concerned, I would be happy with Anthony Bourdain visiting the Shire and just roaming around the neighborhood and trying the foods and meeting the locals.

[N9IWP]

TORN has thier frame-by-frame analysis of the trailer:
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012...-2/#more-62046

Brian

[jehan]

Originally Posted by carnivorousplant

As I said, "The Hobbit III-The Quest For More Money."

Maybe I should be more cynical (I usually am!), but I don't think that money is the main reason for this. Jackson doesn't strike me as the type for whom it is the main motivation. I think he loves Middle earth and the vision he has created of it, and he wants to spend as much time with it as possible. He's having a blast and doesn't want to let go.

Just MHO, of course.

And if he keeps the quality up (and the trailers look good so far!), I'm with him for the ride!

[Elendil's Heir]

Here's Entertainment Weekly's take on the new trailer:
http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/09/19/th...?xid=jt_footer

[standingwave]

Originally Posted by N9IWP

PJ Evangeline Lilly will be playing a new character—the Woodland Elf, Tauriel

First look at Evangeline Lilly as Tauriel. So the character doesn’t appear in the novel, big deal. Back in January, Lilly described Tauriel as a warrior and head of the Elven Guard. “She’s the big shot in the army,” said Lilly. “So she knows how to wield any weapon, but the primary weapons that she uses are a bow and arrow and two daggers. And she’s lethal and deadly.”

[carnivorousplant]

Do any women Elves fight in any of the novels?

[Elendil's Heir]

Originally Posted by carnivorousplant

Do any women Elves fight in any of the novels?

None that I can think of. They're notable mostly for how wise they are, who they marry, and/or what children they bear.

[Qadgop the Mercotan]

Originally Posted by carnivorousplant

Do any women Elves fight in any of the novels?

Luthien took down Sauron.

[standingwave]

Originally Posted by Qadgop the Mercotan

Luthien took down Sauron.

Let's start with Luthien... along with being the "fairest child of Elves or Men", the daughter of a Maia, and the most accomplished singer of all time, she also loved her man so much as to be willing to knock out her guards and leave home and face down Sauron and beat Sauron's sorry ass just to stand by him. She was willing to go with him straight to Thangorodrim itself, put one over on Morgoth(!), and even after all that still cared for him so much that she was willing to go to Mandos and talk the Valar into bringing Beren back to life. Let's face it: Luthien Tinuviel was one hot thoroughly accomplished scared-o-nothin' clever-as-hell broad. Luthien vs. Arwen - Who was the better babe?