Good day everyone. I have a question about hoop snakes. This is important.

[Czarcasm]

Originally Posted by hotdog messenger

by the way my friend has a knowledge of snakes. In fact before we came into this plan to capture a hoop snake, I made certain it was really a hoop snake he is referring, not a sidewinder. He said he knows what a sidewinder is and went on enumerating other kinds of snakes. So don't worry about that. A hoop snake is a hoop snake. Not a mudsnake.

So your friend has knowledge of hoops snakes. Are there any other imaginary creatures he has knowledge of?

[Czarcasm]

Originally Posted by hotdog messenger

more specific...like if you know somebody who wants a hoop snake...

Sorry-I don't associate with idiots or fools as a habit.

[hotdog messenger]

Originally Posted by kayaker

OK, here is more specific. But I expect 10%.

no i don't think this will do. by the way my friend told me once that if we are gonna sell it to somebody, we have to make sure it should be legal. Otherwise we would end up in jail. That's why I chose the offer made by raymond ditmars. It maybe not that big for some, but that's already a considerable amount. And we are sure it is 100% legal.

[Czarcasm]

Originally Posted by hotdog messenger

no i don't think this will do. by the way my friend told me once that if we are gonna sell it to somebody, we have to make sure it should be legal. Otherwise we would end up in jail. That's why I chose the offer made by raymond ditmars. It maybe not that big for some, but that's already a considerable amount. And we are sure it is 100% legal.

There are no laws against selling imaginary animals...except laws involving fraud, of course.

edited to add: What kind of research told you that the Ditmar offer was 100% legal, but didn't tell you if it was still valid??

[hotdog messenger]

Originally Posted by Czarcasm

So your friend has knowledge of hoops snakes. Are there any other imaginary creatures he has knowledge of?

if i'm not mistaken, we are talking about where to sell a hoop snake in case we capture one, right?

[Siam Sam]

No doubt this is just a coincidence, but isn't the Philippines like the Asian Nigeria when it comes to scams? I recall some years ago there was a big to-do over a huge hoard of war-era platinum uncovered in the Philippines, supposedly stashed by retreating Japanese troops. A really big, big hoard.

The first inklingI had that something might be amiss was when the finders said it was covered a bit by rust. I'm thinking, "Platinum don't rust. "

[hotdog messenger]

Originally Posted by Czarcasm

There are no laws against selling imaginary animals...except laws involving fraud, of course.

[kayaker]

Originally Posted by hotdog messenger

no i don't think this will do.

OK, I'll take 5%.

[TriPolar]

Originally Posted by hotdog messenger

more specific...like if you know somebody who wants a hoop snake...

Nobody wants a hoop snake, because they don't exist. This is the fault in your plan. You think people offer rewards for mythical creatures because they want one. The reason for the rewards is to prove these things don't exist. No one is going to give you anything for less than delivery of an actual hoop snake. They are not going to fund your hunt, or send you money to cover expenses, or money for shipping, or travel to wherever the hell you are to discuss this further. You will get absolutely nothing unless and until you deliver a hoop snake. You really should be doing this on Craig's list, I hear that's where the scammers hang out.

[hotdog messenger]

What kind of research told you that the Ditmar offer was 100% legal, but didn't tell you if it was still valid??[/quote]

Sightings are still occasionally reported, even though the existence of the hoop snake has never been accepted by the scientific community. Naturalist Raymond Ditmars placed $10,000 in trust at a New York bank for the first person to provide evidence of a hoop snake.[5] Some have suggested that is a distorted description of the sidewinder of the American southwest, or of mud snakes, which will occasionally lie in a loose hoop shape.[3][6] It is also possible that the hoop snake is an embellishment of actual instances of snakes swallowing their own tails. Photographic examples of this are readily found on the Internet today.

--source Wikipedia.

[TriPolar]

Originally Posted by hotdog messenger

And we are sure it is 100% legal.

There are no laws regarding animals that don't exist. But as has been pointed out to you, selling something that doesn't exist is fraud. That's why I'm protecting you by making the terms cash on delivery. You don't have to risk engaging in fraudulent activity. You just have to get a hoop snake and deliver it to me to collect the reward. You are continuing to waste time. You have a legal no risk method of collecting $10,000. If you or your *friends* knew where a hoop snake was you'd be out looking for it right now. Since you indicate you aren't, there isn't any reason to believe you or your friends are doing anything but trying to pull off a con.

Again, PM I'll send you my Skype account name shortly before 12 Noon Eastern Time tomorrow. Think of a really good story that we can laugh at. But I'll answer most of your questions right now: No, I will not give you a single penny before you deliver a hoop snake, and no I will not spend a penny on anything else until you deliver a hoop snake.

I mean seriously dude, you didn't even bother to make a fake video. At least put a little effort into it.

[hotdog messenger]

Originally Posted by TriPolar

Nobody wants a hoop snake, because they don't exist. This is the fault in your plan. You think people offer rewards for mythical creatures because they want one. The reason for the rewards is to prove these things don't exist. No one is going to give you anything for less than delivery of an actual hoop snake. They are not going to fund your hunt, or send you money to cover expenses, or money for shipping, or travel to wherever the hell you are to discuss this further. You will get absolutely nothing unless and until you deliver a hoop snake. You really should be doing this on Craig's list, I hear that's where the scammers hang out.

Oh I see...now I understand...you think we're gonna rip you off? surely just because you posted a reward then you think you can act arrogantly like that. Ok tripolar dude, hope this satisfies you. We don't want any funds from our hunt. We don't want anybody to send money for our expenses, shipping or anything like that. The expenses for the hunt and anything like that is our problem, not yours. We just would like to confirm who you really are since it's business we are talking here. I suppose you get my point right?...

[TriPolar]

Originally Posted by hotdog messenger

Oh I see...now I understand...you think we're gonna rip you off? surely just because you posted a reward then you think you can act arrogantly like that. Ok tripolar dude, hope this satisfies you. We don't want any funds from our hunt. We don't want anybody to send money for our expenses, shipping or anything like that. The expenses for the hunt and anything like that is our problem, not yours. We just would like to confirm who you really are since it's business we are talking here. I suppose you get my point right?...

Not really. I have the money, you have nothing. You're the one who will have to confirm who you are. Seriously, do you know anything about conducting business, or a scam?

[Czarcasm]

Originally Posted by hotdog messenger

Oh I see...now I understand...you think we're gonna rip you off? surely just because you posted a reward then you think you can act arrogantly like that. Ok tripolar dude, hope this satisfies you. We don't want any funds from our hunt. We don't want anybody to send money for our expenses, shipping or anything like that. The expenses for the hunt and anything like that is our problem, not yours. We just would like to confirm who you really are since it's business we are talking here. I suppose you get my point right?...

Will he also have to prove that the deal is 100% legal? If so, what would you accept as proof?

edited to add: and what exactly will you accept as proof that he has the $10,000?

[hotdog messenger]

Originally Posted by TriPolar

There are no laws regarding animals that don't exist. But as has been pointed out to you, selling something that doesn't exist is fraud. That's why I'm protecting you by making the terms cash on delivery. You don't have to risk engaging in fraudulent activity. You just have to get a hoop snake and deliver it to me to collect the reward. You are continuing to waste time. You have a legal no risk method of collecting $10,000. If you or your *friends* knew where a hoop snake was you'd be out looking for it right now. Since you indicate you aren't, there isn't any reason to believe you or your friends are doing anything but trying to pull off a con.

Again, PM I'll send you my Skype account name shortly before 12 Noon Eastern Time tomorrow. Think of a really good story that we can laugh at. But I'll answer most of your questions right now: No, I will not give you a single penny before you deliver a hoop snake, and no I will not spend a penny on anything else until you deliver a hoop snake.

I mean seriously dude, you didn't even bother to make a fake video. At least put a little effort into it.

Ok now you're talking Tripolar dude. We're gonna chat tomorrow. By the way I'm Asia, Philippines so on what time should we base? I assume you live in US, right?

[TriPolar]

Originally Posted by hotdog messenger

Ok now you're talking Tripolar dude. We're gonna chat tomorrow. By the way I'm Asia, Philippines so on what time should we base? I assume you live in US, right?

You don't understand what 12 Noon Eastern Time is?

[hotdog messenger]

Originally Posted by Czarcasm

Will he also have to prove that the deal is 100% legal? If so, what would you accept as proof?

that's the main reason why we're having a chat tomorrow. anyway tripolar dude already said he will so I'll look forward for that.

[hotdog messenger]

Originally Posted by TriPolar

You don't understand what 12 Noon Eastern Time is?

haha...ok...9:00am in our time, i guess....sorry i'm not used to that term...

[Siam Sam]

Originally Posted by hotdog messenger

haha...ok...9:00am in our time, i guess....sorry i'm not used to that term...

The Philippines is 12 hours ahead of Eastern Time this time of year. 12 noon there is 12 midnight in Manila.

[TriPolar]

Originally Posted by hotdog messenger

haha...ok...9:00am in our time, i guess....sorry i'm not used to that term...

I don't think so. I'm in UTC/GMT -4 hours. I think you are 11 hours off of that. Very clever to act inept. Sorry, not buying it. Talk to you tomorrow.

[hotdog messenger]

Originally Posted by TriPolar

I don't think so. I'm in UTC/GMT -4 hours. I think you are 11 hours off of that. Very clever to act inept. Sorry, not buying it. Talk to you tomorrow.

what, I got it wrong...really I don't know...what a shame.....whatever just PM me here in SD...

[Sailboat]

Originally Posted by hotdog messenger

Oh I see...now I understand...you think we're gonna rip you off?

Well, your posts do have many of the hallmarks of classic scams. Furthermore, your insistence on "confirming who x is" before proceeding is bafflingly obtuse; it makes no sense unless you are trying to scam someone.

That's not an insult of some kind, just an observation that it certainly looks like some kind of scam attempt, which is why people are suspicious.

[hajario]

Originally Posted by Czarcasm

I understand completely.
Your friend won't go hoop snake hunting unless a $10,000 offer from back in the 50's is confirmed, even though many times that amount would certainly be offered for one on the open market.
Your "friend" is an idiot.

Back when you were a Mod, you gave me an Official Warning specifically for telling someone that their friend was an idiot.

[Siam Sam]

Originally Posted by hajario

Back when you were a Mod, you gave me an Official Warning specifically for telling someone that their friend was an idiot.

Ah, but this time it's a "friend."

[hotdog messenger]

Originally Posted by Sailboat

Well, your posts do have many of the hallmarks of classic scams. Furthermore, your insistence on "confirming who x is" before proceeding is bafflingly obtuse; it makes no sense unless you are trying to scam someone.

That's not an insult of some kind, just an observation that it certainly looks like some kind of scam attempt, which is why people are suspicious.

Well, I'm going to have a chat with Tripolar dude tomorrow. Anyway I'll still be updating my thread here if there are still comments. You will certainly find out tomorrow whether we are legit or not....

[TriPolar]

Originally Posted by Siam Sam

Ah, but this time it's a "friend."

Yes, fictional friends, like fictional snakes, cannot appeal to board rules. O'course for all we know, Czarc was right, and hajario's friend was an idiot. hajario, did your friend go hunting for a hoop snake?

[Czarcasm]

Originally Posted by hotdog messenger

Well, I'm going to have a chat with Tripolar dude tomorrow. Anyway I'll still be updating my thread here if there are still comments. You will certainly find out tomorrow whether we are legit or not....

You telling us whether or not you accept the offer does nothing to show us you are legit-that can only be accomplished by showing up with the merchandise.

[Irishman]

Originally Posted by hotdog messenger

Supposing my friend captured a hoop snake, how can we sell it in the open market? Do you have any idea? I don't have one...maybe you can convince me to make him change his mind...

If I knew where a stash of hoop snakes were, this would be my approach.

First, I'd contact an actual herpatologist. You know, a snake specialist. Surely the Phillippines aren't so backwards there are no actual herpatologists around. If not, I'm sure there are some in Japan, or New Zealand, or Australia who would be dying to see an actual hoop snake, that forms a ring and rolls.

Next, I'd arrange an outing to take said herpatologist out to the area where these hoop snakes are apparently so common that everyone has seen one. I mean, surely they're that abundant, it should be reasonably easy to show it to a herpatologist in the wild. No need to capture for the first round, thus demonstrate an actual, live hoop snake forming a hoop and rolling. Seems easy peasy.

Next, said herpatologist could start spreading the word via professional channels. Herpatologist lines up a grant to study said snakes, and acquire a few.

Next the world comes beating down on the Phillippines looking for said hoop snakes. Start selling tours, selling snakes, whatever the market will bear.

Finally, Profit.


None of this involves 50 year old dead claims for money, or identifying the actual name and address of someone on an internet message board.

[John W. Kennedy]

Originally Posted by hotdog messenger

and also if I click their emails, nothing happens. why is that? yeah sure, I won't mention SDMB I promise.

First of all, it all works fine for me. But even if it doesn’t work for you, the email addresses are exposed, so you can just cut and paste them.

Oh, and there’s no such thing as a hoop snake. Hell, show me a living snake and make it, unassisted, in my presence, form itself into a vertical hoop and roll under its own power, still as a hoop, and I’ll give you $10,000.

[TriPolar]

Hey hotdog, see that post above this one? You can make $20,000 off of one snake now. And you're not out hunting right now? Dude, you'll never make any money that way.

[hajario]

Originally Posted by TriPolar

Hey hotdog, see that post above this one? You can make $20,000 off of one snake now. And you're not out hunting right now? Dude, you'll never make any money that way.

Maybe hoop snakes are diurnal.

[TubaDiva]

This is getting way out of line.

First ...

Originally Posted by hotdog messenger

Ok I guess I'll have to ask you the same question I asked of InnerStink...

This is meant to be an insult? No. You don't talk to people like that here in this forum.

So this is going to earn you an official Warning.

Second ...

We've let this go on far too much and way too long and this is not serving any useful purpose except to give you a chance to throw stones at one another. Go do that somewhere else, not in Comments on Cecil's Columns. I am closing this thread.