Orly Taitz resurfaces in New Hampshire

[Tristan]

Now, I may be wrong, as I am the furthest thing from a lawyer, but wouldn't a judge know that a sitting president can't be compelled via subpoena? Or am I incorrect on that?

[Rhythmdvl]

Originally Posted by Tristan

Now, I may be wrong, as I am the furthest thing from a lawyer, but wouldn't a judge know that a sitting president can't be compelled via subpoena? Or am I incorrect on that?

Ask Newt "I'm telling my recently diagnosed with MS wife that I'm fucking around on her and she can accept it or go fuck herself" "family values" Gingrich if it's okay to apply pressure to get a subpoena over a blowjob.

[Gagundathar]

This is unliving proof that zombies do exist.

If Taitz is not taken as an undead, properly subdued (I am not certain about D&D 3.5 rules, but someone here can help) and arraigned, then there IS NO JUSTICE!
<shakes fist and then breaks into sobs and tears>

In other words, this seems unreal to me.
I just came from the 'Order of the Stick' thread.
THAT seems more real to me than this.

[Really Not All That Bright]

Originally Posted by Tristan

Now, I may be wrong, as I am the furthest thing from a lawyer, but wouldn't a judge know that a sitting president can't be compelled via subpoena? Or am I incorrect on that?

Sovereign immunity shields all federal officials from being compelled to do anything by state courts. Plus, Federal law generally prohibits federal employees from testifying in proceedings in which the US is not a party. See 28 CFR Sec. 16.22, for example.

It doesn't matter if the judge knows that, though; Obama's attorney still has to point it out. That's what your lawyer is for in our (adversarial, rather than inquisitorial) system.

He also might have distinguished the body of existing law on the grounds that it stemmed from judicial proceedings. An administrative law court is an executive proceeding, which could theoretically be exempted from existing precedent.

[kenobi 65]

Originally Posted by Gagundathar

If Taitz is not taken as an undead, properly subdued (I am not certain about D&D 3.5 rules, but someone here can help)

[hijack]Nope, can't subdue undead in 3.5 D&D; undead are unaffected by nonlethal damage (which is the mechanism by which one subdues a creature under those rules).[/hijack]

[SCSimmons]

OK, I think we're done here.
Of course, I've thought that before ...

[mkecane]

Done here? O'rly?

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem..._ca_senate.php

Orly Taitz, the California dentist-lawyer most famous for challenging President Barack Obama’s birth certificate, failed to win the Senate primary in California on Tuesday, but not before racking up tens of thousands of votes.

Oh, she finished 5th? Yeah, I guess this is the last we've heard of Orly. Phew!

[Rhythmdvl]

‘Birthermercial’ Star Gary Kreep Ahead In Race For California Judgeship

Gary Kreep, the star of commercials questioning President Barack Obama’s birthplace and who has argued lawsuits challenging his eligibility for office, just might be California District 34’s new judge.

[BrainGlutton]

This did get Orly's knickers in a twist, tho'.

[Baker]

I know this is reviving an old thread, and that the OP spoke of New Hampshire, but instead of New Hampshire Orly Taitz is in Kansas now.

http://cjonline.com/news/2012-09-20/...bama-candidacy

Not quite two weeks ago some nutjob petitioned the state Board of Objections to block Obama's name being on the November ballot, until some questions about his birth certification could be cleared up. The board actually decided to consider it, but the next day the nutjob asked that his petition be cancelled, as he had experienced, get this, intimidation not just to himself but to those around him.

Orly Taitz tried to speak at the meeting that decided Obama's name could be on the ballot, and even said she'd been "surrounded by African American men that threatened her." Also present at that meeting, and denying her claims, was the head of the local NAACP chapter.

So now Taitz is speaking up for some other so called Kansan, and filing a suit for him. (Link above)

What has Topeka done to deserve this? First we get Fred Phelps, and now Orly Taitz.

The irony, it burns, as Taitz is herself a naturalized citizen of the US, having been born in that part of the former USSR now called Moldavia.

Why do birthers harp on Obama's birthplace? His mother was a US citizen, so even if he HAD been born in Kenya he would still be an American citizen.

[Leaper]

Originally Posted by Baker

Why do birthers harp on Obama's birthplace? His mother was a US citizen, so even if he HAD been born in Kenya he would still be an American citizen.

Doesn't matter to them. For some, it's because of his father. Others point to this rather bizarre (and only possible) loophole in the law at the time that would seem to say that because the President's mother was so young when she gave birth to him, he wouldn't have been a citizen had he been born out of the country.

[Really Not All That Bright]

She's not even admitted to practice in Kansas.

[dropzone]

Practice what? Law, dentistry, real estate agency, or the enthusiastic sexual acts her former partner in suits misses because he violated that rule so often repeated but so often ignored, "Don't put it in the crazy?"

[Really Not All That Bright]

Well, I don't think you need a license for the last one. Then again, it is Kansas.

[Punoqllads]

Originally Posted by Baker

Why do birthers harp on Obama's birthplace? His mother was a US citizen, so even if he HAD been born in Kenya he would still be an American citizen.

The law wasn't always so. In 1961, a child born outside the US to a married couple where only one of the couple was a US citizen wasn't born a US citizen unless that parent had lived in the US for at least 10 years and 5 of those years had been after their 16th birthday. Since Mrs. Obama was only 18, that would have been impossible.

The only way for Barack Jr. to be a natural-born citizen would for him to have been born on US soil or for his parents' marriage to have been found invalid; e.g., had Barack Sr. already been lawfully married to another woman. Since the vast preponderance of the evidence shows that Barack Jr. was born in Hawaii, only those who are willfully obtuse or borderline psychotic are arguing otherwise. Or, as in Ms. Taitz's case, both.

[grude]

Serious question here, who is funding this loon? She travels from state to state stirring up shit and disrupting what should be routine bureaucratic paper shuffling.

[YogSosoth]

Originally Posted by dropzone

Practice what? Law, dentistry, real estate agency, or the enthusiastic sexual acts her former partner in suits misses because he violated that rule so often repeated but so often ignored, "Don't put it in the crazy?"

Karate. She is a black belt, after all

[kaylasdad99]

Originally Posted by grude

Serious question here, who is funding this loon? She travels from state to state stirring up shit and disrupting what should be routine bureaucratic paper shuffling.

What I'm wondering is, what are her employment plans should Romney win?* Does she have any marketable skills, other than stirring shit about President Obama's eligibility to hold the office?







*I know, but work with me here.

[Snowboarder Bo]

Originally Posted by Punoqllads

The law wasn't always so. In 1961, a child born outside the US to a married couple where only one of the couple was a US citizen wasn't born a US citizen unless that parent had lived in the US for at least 10 years and 5 of those years had been after their 16th birthday. Since Mrs. Obama was only 18, that would have been impossible.

The thing about that law that always struck me as hilarious is that ANYONE who was born to parents under the age of 21 could be considered a non-US citizen, couldn't they?

I mean, that's gotta be a helluva lot of people who "technically" aren't US citizens if anyone took that law seriously, and I bet they've all been voting and getting passports and paying taxes and joining the military, etc. all their lives without knowing that "technically" they aren't really US citizens.

It's freaking hilarious.

[Punoqllads]

Originally Posted by Snowboarder Bo

The thing about that law that always struck me as hilarious is that ANYONE who was born to parents under the age of 21 could be considered a non-US citizen, couldn't they?

Only if they were born outside of the US.

[Really Not All That Bright]

Originally Posted by grude

Serious question here, who is funding this loon? She travels from state to state stirring up shit and disrupting what should be routine bureaucratic paper shuffling.

Originally Posted by kaylasdad99

What I'm wondering is, what are her employment plans should Romney win?* Does she have any marketable skills, other than stirring shit about President Obama's eligibility to hold the office?

She's independently wealthy; she owns two moderately successful dental practices in California, and her husband is a successful software engineer. Early on in her "campaign" she was also making money writing and being interviewed by WorldNutDaily and the like.

[Kolak of Twilo]

Originally Posted by Punoqllads

Only if they were born outside of the US.

I bet that would still be a helluva lot of people.

[DrumBum]

With the revival of this thread, I wonder if another KBO will show up and provide us with some entertainment. It sure was fun the last time.

[E-Sabbath]

Originally Posted by Punoqllads

The only way for Barack Jr. to be a natural-born citizen would for him to have been born on US soil or for his parents' marriage to have been found invalid; e.g., had Barack Sr. already been lawfully married to another woman.

This is actually an interesting point. Barack Sr. _was_ already lawfully married to another woman, as I recall.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...8CT_story.html
Yep. Stanley Ann wasn't aware of this, but it seems to have been true.