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Old 11-01-2012, 03:55 AM
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Jackson on the $20

Andrew Jackson has been on the U.S. $20 bill for over 80 years. Among other things, he supported slavery and "ethnic cleansing" of Native Americans. I don't know what he did in his presidency that has any relevance today. Why is he on our money, and who should be on it instead?
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Old 11-01-2012, 04:22 AM
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He's on your money because he was the most badass president ever.

As to who should be on it instead? The truly American thing to do would be to privatize it, auction it off to the highest bidder.

Whoever ponies up the most cash, gets their mug on it. Bill Gates, Sam Walton, the Koch Brothers, Ronald McDonald..
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Old 11-01-2012, 04:25 AM
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Old 11-01-2012, 04:40 AM
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I've long thought Jackson & Jefferson should go swapsies.

Jackson is deserving of a bill, but not such a commonly circulated one. I also think the reverse image on the $2 (signing of the declaration of independence) is far more worthy for a high circulation bill than the reverse image on the $20 (the White house? Who cares?).
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Old 11-01-2012, 04:40 AM
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If anyone else needs a reminder of who's already on the currency, list here.

If Jackson were to go, the first replacement I can think of who's not already honored is John Adams.

Maybe also promote FDR from the dime to the $20.
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Old 11-01-2012, 05:25 AM
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Jackson's number one thing was dismantling the Second Bank of the United States. He would be appalled at the Fed, and certainly wouldn't want anything to do with a national currency. Hell, he was against currency in general, preferring specie.

I've always kind of thought that putting him on the $20 was a nice "fuck you" to America's most psychotic president.
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Old 11-01-2012, 06:09 AM
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Jackson's number one thing was dismantling the Second Bank of the United States. He would be appalled at the Fed, and certainly wouldn't want anything to do with a national currency. Hell, he was against currency in general, preferring specie.

I've always kind of thought that putting him on the $20 was a nice "fuck you" to America's most psychotic president.
I sometimes think that the government at times has had a wonderful sense of humor for a large entity. Arlington Cemetery is another "fuck you."
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Old 11-01-2012, 06:46 AM
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Man had a fine head of hair, whatever his faults may have been.
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Old 11-01-2012, 07:58 AM
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But it still pales in comparison to Jermaine.
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Old 11-01-2012, 08:11 AM
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Well, God's on there too. His track record isn't very impressive either.
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Old 11-01-2012, 08:13 AM
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Keep him on the $20, but change the pic into one of him doing something charactaristic, like killing someone.
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Old 11-01-2012, 08:13 AM
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He's on your money because he was the most badass president ever.
Bzzzt! I'm sorry, blue infinity, the correct answer was "Theodore Roosevelt". Who was the most badass president ever? Theodore Roosevelt. You have lost teh Intarwebz.
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Old 11-01-2012, 08:19 AM
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Andrew Jackson has been on the U.S. $20 bill for over 80 years. Among other things, he supported slavery and "ethnic cleansing" of Native Americans. I don't know what he did in his presidency that has any relevance today. Why is he on our money, and who should be on it instead?


Martin Luther King was a plagerist, adulterer, womanizer(physically as well), liar, NOT a reverend, communist sympathizer and a whole host of over things.

Should we take his birthday celebration away, or do we still praise him cause his message was good?

In a proper America, he'd be shunned for his false nature. Civil rights doesn't need black 'leaders.'
And we could get our President's birthdays back.


The money should never change, it give us a sense of continuity that is sorely lacking in the States.


To answer your question, who should be next, John Adams or Ron Paul.

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Old 11-01-2012, 08:49 AM
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Martin Luther King was a plagerist, adulterer, womanizer(physically as well), liar, NOT a reverend, communist sympathizer and a whole host of over things.

Should we take his birthday celebration away, or do we still praise him cause his message was good?

In a proper America, he'd be shunned for his false nature. Civil rights doesn't need black 'leaders.'
And we could get our President's birthdays back.


The money should never change, it give us a sense of continuity that is sorely lacking in the States.


To answer your question, who should be next, John Adams or Ron Paul.
This will go over well.
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Old 11-01-2012, 08:51 AM
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In 20 years or so, we can put Bill Clinton on the $20. That way everybody will remember the punchline to the joke.



Leaf, our friend Saraya is more familiar with the under than the over.

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Old 11-01-2012, 08:56 AM
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Putting Ron Paul on Federal Reserve notes would probably cause quite a few of the "End the Fed" types to explode.
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Old 11-01-2012, 08:57 AM
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Leaf, our friend Saraya is more familiar with the under than the over.
I don't know what this means. Sorry.
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Old 11-01-2012, 08:57 AM
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The money should never change, it give us a sense of continuity that is sorely lacking in the States.

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Never change? If that were true we would never get to honor President Obama this way.
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:20 AM
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The money should never change, it give us a sense of continuity that is sorely lacking in the States.
It's a little late for that. I will also go out on a limb and say that adultery and plagiarism, while bad, are much less bad than ethnic cleansing, and that if your belief is that the civil rights requirement could have worked without leadership from black people (as a gift from nice white people, I guess), that's more than a little misguided.
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Old 11-01-2012, 11:41 AM
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The U.S. currency is far too human-centric. I would like a famous horse, or perhaps an auspicious-looking beaver, on a commonly circulated denomination.
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Old 11-01-2012, 11:51 AM
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Washington and Jefferson also supported slavery. We've kind of decided to ignore that sort of thing.
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Martin Luther King was... ...NOT a reverend...
Uh, what?
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Old 11-01-2012, 11:56 AM
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I just checked out the list of people on our money that Rodgers01 linked.

I have no problem with recent non-politician choices on our currency, like Sacagawea and Susan B. Anthony (both on dollar coins). Furthermore, since I am in a generous mood, I will give passes to two head-scratch-inducing choices: Salmon P. Chase ($10,000 bill), who as the Secty of the Treasury was intimately involved with US money matters, and President William McKinley ($500 bill), who was "martyred" in office.

But Grover Cleveland? Really? What the hell made him worthy to be on our $1,000 bill?

(Oh, and for the purposes of the OP, yes, I think Andrew Jackson should be booted from the $20 bill. Historians claim he redefined the office of presidency, but I think his flaws (including the big political ones, not just his personal failings and orneriness) far outweigh his good points.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:01 PM
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The U.S. currency is far too human-centric. I would like a famous horse, or perhaps an auspicious-looking beaver, on a commonly circulated denomination.
Beaver bills sound great for tipping strippers.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:12 PM
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Agreed. I vote hairy va-jay-jays on all currrency.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:17 PM
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Agreed. I vote hairy va-jay-jays on all currrency.
Puts a whole new meaning behind "I just came into some money."

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Old 11-01-2012, 12:21 PM
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Keep him on the $20, but change the pic into one of him doing something charactaristic, like killing someone.
I'd support changing it to an image of Jackson kicking John C. Calhoun in the balls.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:23 PM
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Agreed. I vote hairy va-jay-jays on all currrency.
"More honest than Abe."
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:34 PM
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Puts a whole new meaning behind "I just came into some money."
For the win!
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:35 PM
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Martin Luther King was a plagerist, adulterer, womanizer(physically as well), liar, NOT a reverend, communist sympathizer and a whole host of over things.

Should we take his birthday celebration away, or do we still praise him cause his message was good?

In a proper America, he'd be shunned for his false nature. Civil rights doesn't need black 'leaders.'
And we could get our President's birthdays back.


The money should never change, it give us a sense of continuity that is sorely lacking in the States.


To answer your question, who should be next, John Adams or Ron Paul.
Wow.

Just...

Wow.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:40 PM
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Ron Paul? One thing you gotta say about our currency-- we don't put anyone on it while they are still living. What are we, North Korea?
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:41 PM
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Ron Paul? One thing you gotta say about our currency-- we don't put anyone on it while they are still living. What are we, North Korea?
I'd be OK with shooting him first.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:43 PM
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The U.S. currency is far too human-centric. I would like a famous horse, or perhaps an auspicious-looking beaver, on a commonly circulated denomination.
Well, heck, if you're going to put beavers on the money, you might as well include loons, polar bears, and caribou. Happily, there's a country right next door which has been testing that.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:46 PM
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Puts a whole new meaning behind "I just came into some money."
I've always wanted to come into some money.

Someday Drunky. Someday.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:49 PM
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Well, heck, if you're going to put beavers on the money, you might as well include loons, polar bears, and caribou. Happily, there's a country right next door which has been testing that.
Yet they look nowhere near auspicious enough. That damned loon is just floating there! It could at least have its beak skyward.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:50 PM
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Well, heck, if you're going to put beavers on the money, you might as well include loons
Is that another vote for Ron Paul?
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:54 PM
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If anyone else needs a reminder of who's already on the currency, list here.

If Jackson were to go, the first replacement I can think of who's not already honored is John Adams.

Maybe also promote FDR from the dime to the $20.
FDR's on the dime because he helped found the March of Dimes (to help eradicate childhood polio). I think when he'll be on the dime for a while.

I say put Teddy Roosevelt on the 20. First president of the 20th century, put him on the 20 dollar bill.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:32 PM
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The U.S. currency is far too human-centric. I would like a famous horse, or perhaps an auspicious-looking beaver, on a commonly circulated denomination.
How about a badass president AND a moose? Win-win.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:58 PM
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JFK should be on the $20 bill. Put Jackson on the 50 cent piece if they even still make them any more.
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:39 PM
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Which of JFK's great achievements are we putting him on the $20 for? Jayne Mansfield? Marilyn? Being shot?
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:44 PM
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Which of JFK's great achievements are we putting him on the $20 for? Jayne Mansfield? Marilyn? Being shot?
Why not a compromise - put a pic of JFK screwing a starlet on one side, and Jackson killing some poor sap on the other.
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Old 11-01-2012, 03:00 PM
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Maybe they should put Michael Jackson on the $20. King of Pop, after all.

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Old 11-01-2012, 03:13 PM
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Which of JFK's great achievements are we putting him on the $20 for? Jayne Mansfield? Marilyn? Being shot?
I"ll happily put him on there for having apparently pissed in your Cheerios.
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Old 11-01-2012, 03:23 PM
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Maybe they should put Michael Jackson on the $20. King of Pop, after all.

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And on the back, all the kids he abused.
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Old 11-01-2012, 03:46 PM
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But Grover Cleveland? Really? What the hell made him worthy to be on our $1,000 bill?
I can think of two non-consecutive reasons.
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Old 11-01-2012, 06:11 PM
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I'd be OK with shooting him first.
That might be a worthwhile trade......
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Old 11-01-2012, 06:34 PM
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Steve Jobs? I mean, people do need jobs.
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Old 11-01-2012, 07:04 PM
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I say MLK should be on the 20. He certainly was no more flawed than the forefathers and a central figure in US history.
Or put Lincoln on there and get rid of the penny altogether.
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Old 11-01-2012, 07:05 PM
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Bzzzt! I'm sorry, blue infinity, the correct answer was "Theodore Roosevelt". Who was the most badass president ever? Theodore Roosevelt. You have lost teh Intarwebz.
Yeah...no.
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Old 11-01-2012, 07:07 PM
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I"ll happily put him on there for having apparently pissed in your Cheerios.
I don't have anything against him. I just don't think he was a great president.
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Old 11-01-2012, 07:37 PM
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I don't have anything against him. I just don't think he was a great president.
His handling of the Cuban missile crisis and aversion of a nuclear war is significant, no?
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