Hitlers gun control quote

[kfergason]

I was doing some research and found your article on the Hitler gun control quote that has been around for years. It seems there is no definitive source for it still.

I have not seen this mentioned and I don't know if it is the first use, but it is in the 1961 move Judgement at Nuremburg. One of the judges reads it during some of their deliberations.

I have seen no mention of this quote showing up earlier in time.


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LINK TO COLUMN: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...-gun-ownership

[Lauren-C]

Originally Posted by kfergason

I was doing some research and found your article on the Hitler gun control quote that has been around for years. It seems there is no definitive source for it still.

I have not seen this mentioned and I don't know if it is the first use, but it is in the 1961 move Judgement at Nuremburg. One of the judges reads it during some of their deliberations.

I have seen no mention of this quote showing up earlier in time.

I can never understand why Hitler being pro-gun control means that it's bad to be pro-gun control. It's a specious argument. He was also a virtual vegetarian and teetotaller, does that make those things bad? The Nazis were also among the first to introduce comprehensive animal welfare laws, banning vivisection for example, does this mean that animal welfare is bad?

[kfergason]

interesting, but not related to what i posted.

I'm only interested in the initial origin of the quote.

[don't ask]

What makes you think that the speech is in Judgment at Nuremberg? There is no sign of it in this transcript.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...-gun-ownership

[kfergason]

I wasn't talking about the speech, but you are correct.
The quote is a different one.
In the movie, its attributed to Janning.

"Now we can look forward to a Germany
without guns and bloodshed...
"a Germany of justice,
where men can live instead of die...
"a Germany of purpose,
of freedom, of humanity...
"a Germany that calls for the best in man."

[C K Dexter Haven]

Welcome to the Straight Dope Message Boards, kfergason, we're glad you found us. It's helpful to other readers to provide a link to the column in question; I've edited such a link into your opening post. No biggie, you'll know for next time.

We have several posters who are amazing at tracking down quotes, and perhaps some of them will arrive here (although given that it's the weekend before Christmas and a long holiday for many, it may take a few days.)

[Czarcasm]

Originally Posted by Lauren-C

I can never understand why Hitler being pro-gun control means that it's bad to be pro-gun control. It's a specious argument. He was also a virtual vegetarian and teetotaller, does that make those things bad?

I was going to answer yes, but this is one of those trick questions, isn't it?

[Leo Bloom]

Originally Posted by Lauren-C

I can never understand why Hitler being pro-gun control means that it's bad to be pro-gun control. It's a specious argument. He was also a virtual vegetarian and teetotaller, does that make those things bad? The Nazis were also among the first to introduce comprehensive animal welfare laws, banning vivisection for example, does this mean that animal welfare is bad?

You must read up on Godwin's Law on citing Hitler. You will see it in action constantly.

The Nazis created some comprehensive anti-smoking laws.

Also, just want to note that the anti-vivisection laws did not apply to Jews. Nor did the anti-smoking laws, come to think of it.

[Dave Hartwick]

I was going to comment on the same article as I found it linked at another site. Parts of it don't agree with what's in the Wikipedia entry on German gun laws.

The article-- quite an old one-- implies that the Nazis increased restrictions on firearms.

The Nazis did pass a weapons law in 1938, but that only added restrictions to the previous law, especially for Jews and other "non-citizens."

There were two sets of laws (according to Wikipedia) passed in Germany in 1938. One essentially deprived Jews of gun ownership. The other relaxed Weimar laws by lowering the age threshold, deregulating long arms, increasing the number of groups exempt from permit requirements, and increasing the number of years that permits were valid. The sole restriction mentioned by the Wikipedia article was on Jewish manufacture and sale of guns or ammunition.

Seeing how the article is still being cited, maybe an addition pointing out that the Nazis actually loosened gun laws for most Germans would help answer the main question, which was "Did Hitler ban gun ownership?" That is, if Wikipedia is correct and that the assertion that the Nazis only added restrictions to existing laws is false.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany

[edd-kooky]

re hitler+gun control posts..2 me the real point was 'do we really need more laws?

[moriah]

Most 'laws' are prohibitions against people doing the things they were doing which caused problems for others.

So, as long as you think that human beings have exhausted all the possible ways they can cause problems for others, then, you're right, we don't need new laws.

Case settled.

[C K Dexter Haven]

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