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Old 01-09-2014, 06:55 PM
Dee Troit Dee Troit is offline
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My scroll bar arrows went AWOL

In Chrome. My preferred browser. The scroll bar is still there, but the up and down arrows at ether end are gone. I've looked in tools, restarted, and searched this site and the web, all to no avail.
They're still present and working in IE.
Any one got a clue?
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Old 01-09-2014, 08:14 PM
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They aren't needed. The arrows are a terrible way to scroll -- they only display the next line of data. Clicking on the scroll bar itself displays the next screen of data (as does pressing the spacebar).

It always was a pet peeve of mine that people would work hard to put their cursor on the little down arrow and then go down a single line per click when there were far better ways to do it. Removing the arrows is a big improvement.
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Old 01-09-2014, 08:17 PM
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I had the same trouble, ended up going to Chrome extensions and getting Ubuntu light-themes scroll bars. Still looks different, but at least the arrows are back.

Reality Chuck, I'm too stuck in my ways and must have my arrows.

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Old 01-09-2014, 10:35 PM
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Mine did that recently, it was because the third-party skin on my browser was updated to a version without them. I never use the arrows, but the other graphical updates were also ugly, so I went back a version.
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Old 01-09-2014, 11:39 PM
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I'm aware of several means of scrolling the screen, and use the one that's most convenient for the task at hand. I'm not asking how to scroll.
I miss the arrows. I would like them back.
Was this the result of a Chrome update?
What is a third party skin? Sounds nasty.
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Old 01-10-2014, 12:14 AM
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A third party skin is a graphical update somebody made (someone who is not associated directly with the browser maintainers) that you can use if you wish. In my case I use FT Deepdark on Firefox.

As you don't know what that means, it's probably not the cause of your missing arrows. Indeed, it appears to be a common problem that is yet to be addressed by Google.

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Old 01-10-2014, 08:19 AM
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I'm aware of several means of scrolling the screen, and use the one that's most convenient for the task at hand. I'm not asking how to scroll.
I miss the arrows. I would like them back.
Was this the result of a Chrome update?
What is a third party skin? Sounds nasty.
But you get the same effect by simply clicking on the scroll bars. No need for the arrows.
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Old 01-15-2014, 05:41 PM
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But you get the same effect by simply clicking on the scroll bars. No need for the arrows.
You said yourself they're different. The arrows scroll one line or so, the scrollbar pages down. Sometimes I only want to scroll a little bit, just like sometimes I want to scroll to the very bottom or sometimes I want to scroll three lines.

Most often this is a case of making long blocks of text easier to visually track (since paging down can cause me to lose my spot in the paragraph).

It's possible to use the arrow keys or a mousewheel for similar functionality, but the arrows are a useful tradition as well. I really hope this was just a bug and not a deliberate feature removal.
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Old 01-15-2014, 07:12 PM
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Was this the result of a Chrome update?
This one. The latest Chrome update changed the scrollbar to one with a different look and no arrows.

Get used to it, install a skin, or switch browsers. Google is totally unresponsive to backlash from their UI changes (see GMail), so there's approximately zero chance that the arrows will be restored.
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Old 01-15-2014, 08:20 PM
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This one. The latest Chrome update changed the scrollbar to one with a different look and no arrows.

Get used to it, install a skin, or switch browsers. Google is totally unresponsive to backlash from their UI changes (see GMail), so there's approximately zero chance that the arrows will be restored.
Maybe it's not completely hopeless. A Googler said they've heard the feedback and will at least consider it:

http://productforums.google.com/d/ms...4/bZhDlzyXGFwJ
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Old 01-17-2014, 02:30 PM
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I also went to Ubunta for the fix. Arrows returned except in my bookmarks.

here........ https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...diihgejnbfigln

Added that (downloaded) extension and I've got arrows again. Click the 3 horizontal lines in the upper right corner, then click tools, then click extension, find ubunta and turn it on.

Neither the spacebar nor clicking the scrollbar moves the page a space per click. It moves a whole page. Don't want that. However, the up and down arrows on the number pad part of my keyboard moves the page one line per click.
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Old 01-17-2014, 04:05 PM
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The last update added a toolbar at the bottom of the Windows 8 Chrome app with some of the Google apps to mimic Chrome OS (and make sure we use their apps to the fullest extent). The new scroll bar was made to match the new design. I never used the arrows but I don't see the point of deleting them. Maybe simplicity?
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Old 01-18-2014, 06:15 AM
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Never realised that they were missing until I saw this thread and opened Chromium to check.
Very rarely use them
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Old 01-19-2014, 08:25 AM
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It seems like a side effect of the change is that I lost another scroll feature. I used to be able to drag the scroll bar up or down a bit to find something else on the page, and then, while still holding the mouse button down, I could move the pointer away from the scroll bar. It would snap back to the original location. I use this alot - it let's me re-read an earlier comment in a thread, for instance, without having to remember where I was. The snap back feature no longer works for me.

Has anyone else experienced this? Any of the plugins help? I'll go through and try some of them when I have some down time, if no one happens to have an easy answer for me.
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Old 01-28-2014, 07:15 PM
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The arrows are back on the Chrome dev channel. They'll probably make it back to the Stable channel soon.
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:19 PM
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The arrows are back on the Chrome dev channel. They'll probably make it back to the Stable channel soon.
How do you get the dev channel version?
(Besides google..that would be too easy..)
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Old 01-28-2014, 10:41 PM
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How do you get the dev channel version?
(Besides google..that would be too easy..)
http://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel

But I wouldn't suggest it. Dev randomly crashes a lot.
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Old 01-30-2014, 09:30 PM
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I can't live without the scroll arrows. Say what you want about the superiority of the slider-thingy, but I hate it. The amount of scroll per movement of the slider is different on all the pages. When I need to scroll, I have to drive my mouse to a different area of the screen each time, taking my eyes off what I am reading. The slider suckity-suck-sucks and I rarely use it.

But WHY force us to do things one specific way? I should be able to customize the bejeezus out of my browser. Add the scroll arrows! Delete the Scroll slider!

I disowned Chrome. I installed Firefox. Firefox won't load my sites.google.com pages. I uninstalled Firefox. Now I am using Internet Explorer like a cave man. A fricken CAVE MAN!

I am this close to deciding to go 100% Google-free. Is it possible?
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Old 01-30-2014, 10:26 PM
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The latest iterations of IE aren't that bad.

I like the arrowless chrome. It fits with their sleeker modern design style and I never use them. There are loads of ways to navigate pages. The up and down arrowkeys, pageup and pagedown, clicking on the scroll bar, if you have a trackpad using two fingers to scroll up or down...

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Old 01-30-2014, 10:34 PM
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I installed Firefox. Firefox won't load my sites.google.com pages. I uninstalled Firefox.
I use Firefox almost exclusively. I hadn't heard of sites.google.com, but the browser connected to a Google page where the user logs in, so the problem must be with your computer.

Google is Firefox's sugar daddy, so I doubt Firefox would block sites.google.com.
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Old 01-31-2014, 07:13 AM
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I disowned Chrome. I installed Firefox. Firefox won't load my sites.google.com pages. I uninstalled Firefox. Now I am using Internet Explorer like a cave man. A fricken CAVE MAN!

I am this close to deciding to go 100% Google-free. Is it possible?
You could try Opera! Or maybe not...


ETA: Yeah, there isn't a browser now that I like anymore, either.

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Old 01-31-2014, 11:28 AM
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You could try Opera! Or maybe not...


ETA: Yeah, there isn't a browser now that I like anymore, either.
Opera is essentially Chrome with a different skin, anyway. Its internals are still Google-controlled.

If you're serious about phasing out Google cuz you're that pissed at them, you could live within the (horrendous) Microsoft ecosystem with Bing, Live Mail, Office Online, SkyDrive, etc. Internet Explorer's newest versions are actually pretty good (especially if you ever end up with a Windows 8 touchscreen computer -- its touch support is super smooth and responsive).

Or you could live within the Apple ecosystem and use Safari, whatever Apple's online services are called, etc.

But, really, wait a few weeks and the arrows will come back to Chrome stable. And then a few months later Google will do something else to piss off half its userbase, but we'll rant about that later...
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Old 01-31-2014, 11:49 AM
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I am this close to deciding to go 100% Google-free. Is it possible?
I never thought I'd see the day but I'm trying to disengage myself from Google as much as possible as well. I've just about decided that they are the most evil entity on the planet right now.
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Old 01-31-2014, 12:22 PM
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I can't live without the scroll arrows. Say what you want about the superiority of the slider-thingy, but I hate it. The amount of scroll per movement of the slider is different on all the pages. When I need to scroll, I have to drive my mouse to a different area of the screen each time, taking my eyes off what I am reading. The slider suckity-suck-sucks and I rarely use it.
Can I ask why clicking the up or down arrow on your keyboard isn't an option?
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Old 01-31-2014, 12:35 PM
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Can I ask why clicking the up or down arrow on your keyboard isn't an option?
It's not that people can't adapt, but why should they be forced to? We mortals use browsers to access websites, not to volunteer as UI design guinea pigs.
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Old 01-31-2014, 01:01 PM
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It's not that people can't adapt, but why should they be forced to?
The issue that Karen has with no arrows is that her only other option sounded as if it was the scroll bar. There's another option - using the up and down keys. I don't really know why Chrome took away her arrows - and I don't know how to fix that. I was just trying to helpfully point out that she didn't have to "drive [her] mouse to a different area of the screen each time, taking [her] eyes off what [she is] reading".
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Old 01-31-2014, 01:03 PM
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There have been many other threads about this in the past.

If you can't find a way to fix it, you can always use the search tool and prob find a way.
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Old 01-31-2014, 01:35 PM
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Opera is essentially Chrome with a different skin, anyway. Its internals are still Google-controlled.
That's for Opera 15, not Opera 12. If you read through that thread, Opera 12 Vs. Opera 15 is discussed.
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Old 01-31-2014, 09:57 PM
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Can I ask why clicking the up or down arrow on your keyboard isn't an option?
Sure.
1) The arrow keys move your cursor, not the visible window. The action is different. If I'm looking for an e-mail, for instance, the scroll bar may show me subjects of various mail..but the arrow key will cause it to render and display each mail message along the way.

2) I use the scroll bar to look back in a long thread - by keeping the button pressed, I used to be able to move my cursor away from the scroll bar and snap back to the original location. The same change that got rid of scroll bars killed this feature. Arrows don't bring it back.
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Old 02-01-2014, 04:16 AM
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That's for Opera 15, not Opera 12. If you read through that thread, Opera 12 Vs. Opera 15 is discussed.
Given how quickly web technologies are changing these days, it's probably not a good idea to rely on an abandoned renderer. Compared to the Big Three, Opera was irrelevant to begin with, and after switching to Blink they're now just another antique brand name waiting to be bought out, kinda like RCA or Winamp or Westinghouse or Yahoo.

There's no such thing as web standards, only "Does it work with Trident, Gecko, and Webkit?" Using anything else is pretty much guaranteed to cause much larger headaches than missing scroll arrows.
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