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12-10-2002, 09:42 AM
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"24" Season 2, Episode 7 - 2:00 p.m. - 3:00 p.m.
24, Season 2
Episode 7 2:00 p.m. - 3:00 p.m. Spoilers ahead! Previous episodes discussed: 1 2 3 4 5 6 This thread is presented as a service of the 24 Club. Tell 'em Large Marge sent ya.
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12-10-2002, 06:21 PM
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Another good episode. Man, I love this show.
First off, a couple questions, and then on to the thoughts and speculation; Does anyone know the name of the abusive dad? -or- Who's Terry? Also, Did anyone catch what the abusive Dad's job was? Anyway, onward with the spoilers... Big Spoilers ahead! Don't read if you haven't seen the episode yet! I warned you... Well, we called it in the last 24 thread. Abused Mom is dead. As soon as the cop noticed the blood dripping from Abusive Dad's trunk, I knew. Kim and Scruffy are really in it now. Not only have they kicked Abusive Dad's ass (twice), they've stolen his car, kidnapped his kid, and killed his wife and stuffed her in the trunk. Or so the police would believe, given the evidence. I don't imagine Abusive Dad's going to be rushing to their defense given the fact that he's the one the killed her. That bastard. And did anyone catch that little bit right when Tony was taking Reza and Bob back to CTU? Bob told his daughter Kate to "call Terry," (camera zooms in to his face all meaninful like) "he'll know what to do..." "B..but Terry's just a tax lawyer!" "It's ok, Kate. Just call him," (long meaningful look) "he'll know what to do..." Hmmm... Would I be correct in thinking that Terry is the little girl's dad and he's working the books for Bob? Or is it just me hoping that the two storylines will tie in somehow? Either way, Kim and Scruffy are fucked. Anyway, how about those fireworks between the ex-Mrs. Palmer and Ensign Ro? They looked like they wanted to start taking swings at each other out in the hallway. The person in the last 24 thread who thought there be a little thing going on between the Prez and the Ensign might've been on to something. She seemed more than just professionally jealous of ex-Mrs. Palmer. Finally, can anyone explain what the point of Jack's drugging Miller and knocking him out? It seemed like it would play more significantly a role in this episode, but if did, I didn't catch it. People were all like, "oh that Jack... he's so crazy!" and then shrugged it off like it was nothing. It didn't seem to give Jack any advantage other than momentarily making Nina feel uncomfortable. Or did I miss something?
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12-10-2002, 06:34 PM
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::skipped the spoilers::
The abusive dad's name is Gary Matheson and his wife is Carla. I don't know his job, but I think he may work for the father of Kate and Marie. I think those two plots may tie together, but maybe not. In one of the first hourse, we saw Carla wrapping what looked like a wedding present, and she said her husband needed it "today," so I assume they (the Mathesons) were invited to the Wedding That Isn't Going To Happen. ::not looking...hope this posts okay...staying spoiler free:::
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12-10-2002, 09:03 PM
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Terry the tax lawyer is in charge of the cook books.
Jack druggin Miller was stupid... it didn't server any purpose except to let Nina know that was crazy serious, and that Nina didn't hold the upper hand after all. The ex Mrs Palmer - what a bitch! And what does she have up her sleeve? Oh what can I say about Kim and scruffy? Great Ending! I hate it that I LOVE this show! E3
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12-10-2002, 09:08 PM
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I knew it! Dickhead Dad did kill Battered Wife.
And while I vouched for Kim making a smart move in taking Abusive Dad's car after they knocked him unconscious, let me now say that it wasn't smart to keep the car and use it to try to get out of LA. Obviously they didn't know about the body in the trunk, but still... Gotta realize that when Abusive Dad wakes up, he might report it stolen (okay, the body in the trunk would give him a reason to not report it, but still, Kim and Scruffy don't know that). Smart move would have been to swap it out for a different car -- perhaps drive back and get Scruffy's car (he obviously has one, since Kim asked him where it was when he showed up at the hospital in a cab). Things are not looking good for them... I don't trust the Ex-Almost First Lady. I was just hoping Ensign Ro would bitch-slap her in their little hallway powwow. I think Ex-Wife is probably on the side of whoever is trying to undermine his administration. Best line of this week's show came from Jack. Nina: "As soon as he sees me, he's going to put a bullet in my head, then turn the gun on himself." Jack: "We'll make sure he doesn't turn the gun on himself..." Hell, yeah! 
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12-10-2002, 09:10 PM
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12-10-2002, 09:11 PM
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Fist thing I thought when Terrorist Dad told Nosy Daughter to call Terry was "Errrrm..ooooh..errrrg...what IS Abusive Dad's name???" If it's Gary, I guess we can rule him out as the tax lawyer. Unless...TD was all flustered and said "Terry" when he meant "Gary"! Terry-Gary-Terry-Gary...ok, so it's a stretch.
Wow!!! Dead Mom packs a lot of blood!!! And it's still fresh after 2 hours or more!!! Blood experts, help me out...wouldn't she be all bled out by now and the blood congealed? Is it just me or are they giving Tony a more tough guy attitude, possibly gearing him up for a starring role next season in case they can't get Kiefer back. I've heard nothing about next year, so take that with a grain. And finally... Damn George Mason for making me tear up!!! You are supposed to be an asshole! Well, you still are, but radioactivity grew your heart three sizes that day apparently. No more crying, George! I mean it!
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#10
12-10-2002, 09:12 PM
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The Kim storyline was kept to a minimum this episode, and it actually had substance this time around - I guess the producers really ARE listening to their viewers..hooray.
All in all, a pretty lackluster episode though, considering how awesome the first 3 or 4 were. I also have a feeling that Terry does NOT have malicious intent this time around (too obvious), but that Palmer's female aid might be up to no good. Does anyone know if they wrote the entire plot out beforehand, or do they make the storyline up as they go?
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12-10-2002, 09:35 PM
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I know that they did make up at least some stuff at the end of last season, i.e. Nina being the mole. I don't know how much, though, but it's likely that they're doing that again this year.
I liked this one quite a bit ... but then again, I like all of them quite a bit! So what is older blonde Warner gonna find on Daddy's computer? And when she finds it ... what is she gonna do about it?
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12-10-2002, 09:35 PM
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Actually as opposed to last season, and with the help of last season's DVD, I'm finding 24 is gaining a rather large following. I'm not sure if the ratings reflect that or not. Whenever I'm at a bar and that hockey commercial comes on there's always somebody saying "have you seen his show on fox? its awesome!"
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#13
12-10-2002, 09:59 PM
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Holy cow is right.
Poor abused mom. And it was stupid of them to try to drive out of LA in a stolen car. I was surprised the cop was going to let them off like that. What did Nina stick up her sleeve when she was in the front of the store? It looked like a gift card she picked up from the counter.
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12-10-2002, 10:02 PM
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12-10-2002, 10:05 PM
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12-11-2002, 12:08 AM
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I meant to bring this up with the last episode, but I noticed a slight inconsistency. In the first episode, Dead Mom was wrapping a wedding present, presumably for today. But last episode, when Evil Dad was calling his secretary to kidnap his daughter to Mexico, he said something like "Yes, cancel my five o'clock; cancel everything." Was this just forgetful writing or something else?
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12-11-2002, 12:29 AM
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Opus1 -- I don't think it's been firmly established that he was going to the wedding of the other family (Terrorist Dad, Resa, The Two Blondes). It's just been speculated here.
I don't think we have enough info to determine his original plans for the day yet. I suppose killing Battered Wife was a spur of the moment change, though.
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12-11-2002, 01:09 AM
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Yeah, I think Nina picked up a gift card from that store, but I don't recall that going anywhere. I thought she was going to use it to pick a lock or something like that.
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12-11-2002, 01:10 AM
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I had a big ole grin during the last five minutes of this one. Great damn show. One little detail I liked. President, CTU, all have Apple Computers laying around. Terrorist Dad? He uses Windows. Like I've been saying, if you use Windows, the terrorists have already won.
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#21
12-11-2002, 01:12 AM
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Maybe the gift card from the Terrorist Thrift Store can serve as a kind of ID to future terrorists. "See, I know [whatsisname]. Here's his HQ."
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12-11-2002, 01:41 AM
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Tonight's episode was very well done. I thought that they had put Abusive Dad in the trunk; didn't see the wife coming at all. I was commenting that they should've ditched his car ASAP, because it's only a matter of time before he reports it stolen. And does Kim remember the last time she took his car? It's got satellite tracking! He can find them where ever they go anyways. Does anyone have any theories as to the significance of the gift card Nina picked up? It might've been to just pop a lock, but considering that the Terrorist building was wired pretty well, it seems unlikely that a gift card could open a door in there. My guess is it will play some role later on, possibly as a tool to help her escape, which is when I think Jack will finally kill her. Something is off with the President's Chief of Staff. Just the way he is acting is making me suspicious of him; of course, I'm suspicious of everyone. I think the head of the NSA is on the President's side, though. Call it a hunch. All in all, a great episode. 10/10
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12-11-2002, 07:20 AM
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Oh yeah, there were Apples a plenty last year. mostly bad guys. and I think Long Face CTU young guy had one. Dell doesn't have a contract with thim, at least not that was told to the employees. Wehn Swordfish came out, they made a big deal about how Dell was being used in that movie. They never mentioned 24 to us. One thing I do notice though...the Dell badges on the tops of the laptops are all turned upside down so that when the system is opend and the back faces the camera the 'DELL' is easily read. IRL, it would be upside down.
Maybe Nina is going to the same party that Abusive Dad was going to and she forgot to get a present.
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12-11-2002, 07:32 AM
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Wow.
Oh, wow. It was a traveling show...Jack and Nina flying to Visalia (what was up with that mark on her back? They zoomed in a bit while she was changing in front of Jack...and what, you can't wear a bra in prison?), Terrorist Dad and the blondes and Reza going to CTU, Kim and Shaggy on the road to Aunt Carol's. I feel sorry for Megan. That little girl is going to be so messed up...watching Dad beat up Mom, watching her au pair beat up Daddy, possibly seeing Mommy in the trunk. [hijack]Did anyone catch the promo for Joe Millionaire? They're taking a man who makes $19,000 a year, pretend he's worth $50 million, and throwing him in a pit with 20 buxom bachelorettes. I think this is sick and humiliating. Women thinking they're on "Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire?" again, and some poor schlub wining and dining and seducing them, only to say to the Lucky Lady at the end, "Hey, babe, you're the one, but we're not going to the townhouse in the sky."[/hijack]
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12-11-2002, 07:46 AM
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Both Apple and Dell computers are being displayed prominently, although I think Dell may have ponied up a little more dough. And so far I've only seen Apple powerbooks. No desktops.
This is the only show I WILL NOT miss!
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12-11-2002, 08:17 AM
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I still don't understand Palmer's seeming capitulation to his scheming wife. She is going to do him damage, even he seems to know this. Yet the Manipulating Bitch gets to ride roughshod over his meeting and his staff.
What's up this that?
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12-11-2002, 08:21 AM
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Maybe Pres. Cerrano will dress up the ex-mizzus in a Nina outfit and send her to help out Jack so that Jack can take out his frustration on a stand-in rather than the real McCoy.
C'mon, I just wanna see someone pop that hussy! Ensign Ro, didn't they teach you anything in the Maquis?
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12-11-2002, 08:26 AM
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I agree with everything above except the Kim plot, which is becoming more and more irritating each episode. I don't know how they managed to have only five minutes in this ep and make it worse, but they did.
Jesus, just let the dumb shit leave. And why the hell is her life always so malfed up? Stupid plot. Stupid.
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12-11-2002, 08:46 AM
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I'm surprised that Evil Dad didn't do a better job wrapping up the body. I'm sure he was concerned about getting blood in his car. Anyway, maybe Kim will finally tell the police the truth, like she should have done in the first place, though I doubt they'll believe her now. Although I think the evidence will back up her story. It's a nice chance for a CSI/24 crossover episode though
 . I feel bad for Scruffy Boyfriend though.I too am wondering the significance of the gift card. I don't see how you could pick a lock or handcuffs with it, so it's got to be something else. Also, I like how Jack made Nina think she was about to die. I think that's enough to quell his revenge instinct, since he knows he can't actually kill her. The Warners are too much like a soap opera, they're getting annoying. Although maybe CTU should pick up this Terry guy for questioning as well. After all, Tony probably heard Bob tell Kate to call him.
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12-11-2002, 08:59 AM
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12-11-2002, 10:30 AM
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Bah! They use toothbrushes for that, ivylass.
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12-11-2002, 10:37 AM
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Well, I think you can sharpen a gift card or a credit card to a sharp point too.
Besides, Crescent Collectibles did not seem to carry a wide range of toothbrushes. Oh, and were Nina and the Islamic guy romatically involved? And since CTU's translators weren't working fast enough, can any Dopers translate?
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12-11-2002, 10:50 AM
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12-11-2002, 10:59 AM
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12-11-2002, 11:14 AM
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Was that card a gift card for the store? They looked like phone cards to me, the kind where you buy a card with so many minutes (like the big '50' on the card in the show). Since it appeared to be a phone card to me, I figure she stole the phone card so she could call someone when she escaped (since she doesn't have any cash on her). I've seen those cards in a variety of stores, especially ones that are run by or frequented by a lot of immigrants, so it doesn't seem out of place to me.
I don't like the whole bit with the president, he's just acting dumb AFAICT - he lets his ex-wife push around his staff, believes her talk about a conspiracy without any evidence, and is hurting efficiency in the terrorist investigation to investigate that alleged conspiracy (which she could be part of).
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12-11-2002, 11:27 AM
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Even if it is a phone card, if it's not activated, it won't work, right?
I thought it looked like a gift card for the store. And she just sort of slid it up her sleeve. Would it still be there after her little jog through the store? I also don't like the bit with Palmer and his ex-wife. I think she's using him. I think she's most likely part of the conspiracy to bring him down, but she's using her relationship with him to get close to him, and he's just letting her in because he feels sorry for her. I think Palmer and Lynn may have a little something going on. Anyone else pick up on that?
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12-11-2002, 11:27 AM
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Oh, and did Islamic guy get shot? Jack said he was unconscious, but I didn't see if he got shot or not.
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12-11-2002, 12:09 PM
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I think that she took the gift card for later usage - we'll find out why. I don't know what she'll do with it, though. Maybe use the magnetic strip for something?
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12-11-2002, 12:47 PM
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I was guessing that Nina knocked him out and fled -- and probably hoped that if she did hold up her end (and give them the guy, alive) that things would go better for her whether she escaped or not.
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12-11-2002, 01:44 PM
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She was starting to get suspicious of dad, and she was calling the Private Investigator that she had hired to do a check on Resa.
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12-11-2002, 02:48 PM
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Hmm, the phone card would make more sense, since I doubt she has a pocketful of quarters. Who she'd call is anyone's guess though. And they do need to be activated, but that's no harder than making a call with the card. And you can do it with any new card, no proof of purchase required.
I'm pretty sure the laptops are Apple. The dark case with the glowing logo in the center. I haven't bothered to look for the details, but I assumed that was a glowing Apple logo. Could be wrong. Plus, "Kimberly's Desktop" from Season One is more Mac -based than anythign else, but Jack's desktop this year seems pretty generic.
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12-11-2002, 03:12 PM
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Many of the laptops are Dells , most likely Latitudes. Inspirons have the half-moon Inspiron logo on them, Latitudes are a little more plain but have the circular Dell logo in the center. Possible they're using the ultra portables, but they are usually silver, not black, but Dell did make special silver servers for use only in Swordfish, so they may have made special laptops for 24.
Trust me, I used to work at DHell for 2 years troubleshooting the portables. I recognize 'em.
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12-11-2002, 03:28 PM
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12-11-2002, 04:13 PM
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It didn't seem all that upscale to me, like a nice store but not an 'if you have to ask, you can't afford it' kind of store. Not out of place to happen to have phone cards, especially when its run by non-natives and in somewhere with a big immigrant population like CA. Quote:
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12-11-2002, 04:18 PM
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Re: the gift card/phone card debate.
There was a big '50' on the card. Most gift cards I've seen come in increments of $10, $25, $50, $100, whereas phone cards would come in 30min, 60min, 120min, etc. 50 seems a more likely number to be on a gift card than a phone card, IMHO.
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12-12-2002, 12:20 AM
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Silly thing: Just-a-tax-lawyer's name is Larry.
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12-12-2002, 01:52 AM
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Larry Parker?
 Just one quick question: I missed the whole first season. Was Nina just as bone-chillingly evil then? And what's up with the President's ex-wife. She so obviously has something up her sleeve. Wasn't she the person who was kidnapped last season, the one the whole story revolved around? Ok that was more than one question...
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12-12-2002, 02:37 AM
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KGS, here's a minute-by-minute recap of last season, on one big-ass page.
Nina's character was more-or-less ambiguous until the last episode of last season, in which it finally came out in the open that she was in league with the baddies-- not to mention that she apparently killed Jack's wife, who had just told him she was pregnant an hour earlier. Moral: Never put an ex-lover in charge of ensuring your wife and daughter's safety-- it'll bite you in the ass every time.
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