The Straight Dope

Go Back   Straight Dope Message Board > Main > The Game Room

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-29-2012, 11:00 PM
doubled doubled is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
what does it take to qualify for olympics?

To qualify as your country's representative at the Olympics, is it sufficient to simply be the best in your country at a given event? Or do you also have to meet some objective minimum standard?

At the olympic open ceremony, they showed lots of countries with only a handful of athletes. The Solomon Islands, for instance, has a population of about half a million and they sent six athletes. Only six?!? But there's hundreds of olympic events! Assume you're the best pole vaulter in the Solomon Islands, because you're the *only* pole vaulter in the Solomon Islands. Does that mean you'd automatically be entitled to go to London and enter the first round of the olympics representing your country?
I assume you'd have to pay the travel costs yourself, but assuming you have the money, could you go to the olympics simply by default if no one else in your country wanted to enter that event? If so, then how come more countries don't enter a full slate of amateur "athletes" who enter just for the experience of seeing the olympics?

Last edited by doubled; 07-29-2012 at 11:02 PM.
Reply With Quote
Advertisements  
  #2  
Old 07-29-2012, 11:07 PM
TonySinclair TonySinclair is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
I watched the US Olympic track and field trials a few weeks ago, and they made frequent reference to the Olympic qualifying standards, so it was not enough to beat the other contestants. I assume it's the same in other sports where athletes compete against the tape or clock.

I don't know how it would work in team sports, where it's just a matter of getting more points than the other team. I might have thought that your team has to prove itself in the previous world championships or something, but the current US basketball team didn't do that. I also don't know who decides which players are on the team -- AFAIK, some committee just picked them.

Last edited by TonySinclair; 07-29-2012 at 11:10 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-29-2012, 11:08 PM
runner pat runner pat is online now
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Riding my handcycle
Posts: 11,269
It depends on the country and the selection process for each sport.

Some will use a committee approach, looking at the competitive records and choosing that way. Others, such as the US, have Trials competitions, best that day go.

There are also minimum performance/qualification levels set by the IOC.

However, countries are allowed "subpar" performers if they are the only entrants for that sport. Eddie The Eagle
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-29-2012, 11:11 PM
zombywoof zombywoof is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Each sport has its own rules but you generally have to qualify beforehand.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-29-2012, 11:18 PM
Lukeinva Lukeinva is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Quite simply you compete and the winners advance.

Bear in mind that the competition process goes on for years and is no doubt grueling.

Last edited by Lukeinva; 07-29-2012 at 11:19 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-29-2012, 11:20 PM
Ace309 Ace309 is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: May 2001
Just as an example, the standards for wrestling include the country (not necessarily the athlete) placing at a certain level at tournaments that are designated as Olympic qualifying tournaments at each weight class. Then each country determines its entrants at each qualified class.

The US runs a ladder tournament. The Russians select their team. It's very possible (happens regularly) that the wrestler who wins a qualifying tournament at a particular weight won't be the one to represent the US at the Olympics.
__________________
~!
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-29-2012, 11:29 PM
Colibri Colibri is online now
SD Curator of Critters
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Panama
Posts: 21,424
Moved to the Game Room.

Colibri
General Questions Moderator
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-30-2012, 06:37 AM
clairobscur clairobscur is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Paris
Posts: 12,657
A commentator mentioned (when the Buthan team appeared) that the IOC makes exceptions to its qualification rules so that small countries can send at least some athletes.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-30-2012, 07:44 AM
Telemark Telemark is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Hub of the sports world
Posts: 12,217
Quote:
Originally Posted by runner pat View Post
However, countries are allowed "subpar" performers if they are the only entrants for that sport. Eddie The Eagle
After Eddie the Eagle and the Jamaican bobsled team they tightened up the qualifying rules to eliminate most sub-par entrants. They still allow very small countries some exceptions, but neither of those teams would make it into the Olympics again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_%..._Eagle.22_Rule
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-30-2012, 07:45 AM
PatriotGrrrl PatriotGrrrl is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
I heard one gymnast quoted as saying the qualifying trials were more stressful for her than the actual games - if you fail at the Olympics, at least you got to go to the Olympics, if you messed up in the trials you got nothing.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 07-30-2012, 08:16 AM
mcgato mcgato is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
For track and field, every country is allowed to enter one man and one woman regardless of any qualifying marks. Note that they cannot enter some of the events, such as the marathon, without a qualifying time.

If the country wants to enter more than one individual, all of the individuals must meet the B standard for their event. Qualifying standards are here. Note that the individuals must be in different events.

If the country wants to enter more than one individual in a single event, such as the 400 meters, all of the individuals must meet the A standard for that event. Countries cannot enter more than three in a given event.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 07-30-2012, 08:38 AM
BetsQ BetsQ is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
I can't find a good summary of how it works, but there are wild cards awarded to some of the smaller countries to enable them to send some participants. Here's one story from 2000 - some googling indicates that there are wild card competitors this year as well.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 07-30-2012, 12:09 PM
ducati ducati is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
In my case, it's a performance level.
I tried out for the U.S. bobsled team in 1996. One test was moving a training sled from a dead stop to a finish line, say 50 feet away in under X time. Had I been successful, I would have gotten to train in Lake Placid, and compete for a spot on the team, based again on individual performance.

.024/sec is the closest I got. 4 times I tried, and each time I went over the limit by .024/sec. I believe with training - I had done zero before the tryout - I would have made the team that went to Nagano.

The U.S. team did not medal that year because of this!
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 07-30-2012, 05:31 PM
lisiate lisiate is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgato View Post
For track and field, every country is allowed to enter one man and one woman regardless of any qualifying marks. Note that they cannot enter some of the events, such as the marathon, without a qualifying time.

If the country wants to enter more than one individual, all of the individuals must meet the B standard for their event. Qualifying standards are here. Note that the individuals must be in different events.

If the country wants to enter more than one individual in a single event, such as the 400 meters, all of the individuals must meet the A standard for that event. Countries cannot enter more than three in a given event.
To put those qualifying standards in perspective - The B standard time for the mens 1500 metres (3:38) is faster than all gold medalists up until 1984. And the world record only dropped below 3:38 in 1958.

The other standards aren't quite as spectacular but would still have been competitive well into the 70s.

So (roughly speaking) if you want to make the Olympics in track and field you have to post a time that would have probably got you gold a generation ago and would have been a world record two generations ago.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 07-30-2012, 08:22 PM
President Johnny Gentle President Johnny Gentle is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: May 2007
Quote:
Originally Posted by Telemark View Post
After Eddie the Eagle and the Jamaican bobsled team they tightened up the qualifying rules to eliminate most sub-par entrants. They still allow very small countries some exceptions, but neither of those teams would make it into the Olympics again.
The Jamaican bobsled team has qualified several times since they tightened the rules. They finished in the top half of the competition in Lillehammer.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 07-30-2012, 09:18 PM
Mahaloth Mahaloth is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: 地球
Posts: 19,318
Quote:
Originally Posted by Telemark View Post
After Eddie the Eagle and the Jamaican bobsled team
What does the Jamaican bobsled team have to do with any of this?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:28 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Send questions for Cecil Adams to: cecil@chicagoreader.com

Send comments about this website to: webmaster@straightdope.com

Terms of Use / Privacy Policy

Advertise on the Straight Dope!
(Your direct line to thousands of the smartest, hippest people on the planet, plus a few total dipsticks.)

Publishers - interested in subscribing to the Straight Dope?
Write to: sdsubscriptions@chicagoreader.com.

Copyright © 2013 Sun-Times Media, LLC.