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Old 04-05-2013, 06:55 AM
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people giving animals drugs

What would happen if someone let a gorilla smoke a joint or if someone gave an alligator cocaine or speed? Do drugs affect animals the same way as people and make them act crazy. I would hate to see an elephant or tiger on cocaine. Hopefully no one ever does that
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Old 04-05-2013, 07:37 AM
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We already know what can happen when you give a chimp Xanax.
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Old 04-05-2013, 08:02 AM
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Animals may or may not respond similarly to humans for any given drug. Do you go hyperactive when given catnip?
Many drugs do have similar or related effect on animals (many veterinary medications are the same as human ones) but this is not always the case. For example, ketamine is an effective tranquilizer for horses, but is poor for humans due to the dissociative effects. Also, the tolerance levels to some drugs make them harder to use on animals. Paracetamol, for example, is way too toxic on the liver to use on small animals, even if it was sufficiently effective.
Zoological veterinary science still involves a fair bit of trial and error round the edges, although good sedatives for most animal classes are available. Also, the further you get from warm blooded mammals, the less likely it is that drug pathways work in the same way.
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Old 04-05-2013, 08:04 AM
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http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/Top/experiments/

LSD and Elephants....
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Old 04-05-2013, 08:34 AM
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What would happen if someone let a gorilla smoke a joint or if someone gave an alligator cocaine or speed? Do drugs affect animals the same way as people and make them act crazy. I would hate to see an elephant or tiger on cocaine. Hopefully no one ever does that
Well it's an improbable situation. One would have to have a few hundred dollars worth of cocaine on hand, one of these large dangerous animals available, and the stupidity to give it a try.

There are only so many gangsta rap stars out there.
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Old 04-05-2013, 09:08 AM
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I read a book written by Pat Derby called 'The Lady and Her Tiger'; she ran a sanctuary for wild animals. She had a Siberian tiger named Rojo who was her personal favorite. Her stepdaughter was into drugs and along with some of her friends decided to get Rojo high on barbituates for the fun of it. When Pat found him in the morning, he was barely clinging to life, and died in her arms before the vet could get there.

There would not have been a safe place in the world for that stepdaughter to hide from me. Why anyone could stoop to that kind of cruelty is beyond me.

I reccomend that book to anyone who enjoys animals.
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Old 04-05-2013, 10:09 AM
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This reminds me of the episode of Wilfred (about a guy and his talking dog), where Wilfred (the dog), tries to kill Ryan (the guy) by poisoning him... with chocolate.
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Old 04-05-2013, 10:20 AM
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I would hate to see an elephant or tiger on cocaine.
Very perceptive! Next time you go to the zoo, look around the elephant and tiger displays. You will not see a single razor blade or mirror. The keepers are constantly on the lookout for items like that.
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Old 04-05-2013, 10:30 AM
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I gave an alligator some crack to get him hooked, but it was a waste of time because he didn't have any money to pay for any more. I tried a gorilla too, but he just said no.
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Old 04-05-2013, 10:45 AM
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Years ago I saw some wildlife documentary.

It showed a certain area in Africa where some fruit (it was a long time ago and I don't remember the details) would fall on the ground and ferment.

The animals of the area would go to feast on the fermented fruit and get drunk.

A poor giraffe could barely hold his head up with his neck swinging from side to side, and a chimp fell out of a tree.
All the animals were quite wobbly and they all mixed together as the predators weren't in any shape to catch anything, and the prey wasn't in any shape to run away.

Then they showed the poor animals the next morning.

The lion looked miserable, you knew by the look in his eyes he had to have a pounding head ache.
A monkey sat holding his head.
All of them looked like they were feeling pretty bad.

After the drunken spree, they recovered and got back to doing what animals do.
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Old 04-05-2013, 11:43 AM
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Bears have been known to get drunk by breaking into cabins and coolers and drinking the beer and liquor. They've also gotten into derailed boxcars that contained cargo that has fermented after being exposed to the elements for a period of time. They react similarly to humans getting drunk.
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Old 04-05-2013, 12:59 PM
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John C. Lilly was a dolphin researcher, popular among the public due to his writings but widely considered a nut-case among serious dolphin researchers, who was also a LSD guru second only to Timothy Leary. In one of his later books (I forget which one), he acknowledges that he gave LSD to some of his captive dolphins. But he didn't say what visible effect, if any, that had on them. Lilly believed (if you take his books seriously) that dolphins already lived on a higher plane of cosmic consciousness anyway, or something like that. So it's not clear what he thought he was trying to accomplish.

Tranquilizer drugs of various sorts are used on animals quite commonly -- especially in the form of tranquilizer darts shot into wild animals when they need to be captured and transported, or pills given to domestic animals. The drug PCP ("Angel Dust"), which does really really weird shit to the brain (don't try this at home, e.fred) was already well known as a horse tranquilizer. You might look into that for your pet alligator though.

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Old 04-05-2013, 01:06 PM
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Informative documentary on the effects of drugs on spiders.....

http://youtu.be/Dg-r-S0fIkA
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Old 04-05-2013, 01:14 PM
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The only datapoint I can offer is that I once had a cat (or the cat had me, your choice) who was afflicted with epilepsy. The veterinarian prescribed phenobarbitol for his ailment. That was a mellow cat.
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Old 04-05-2013, 02:49 PM
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I saw a dog who got into some discarded wine. He was wasted! Looked pretty hung-over the next day.
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Old 04-05-2013, 03:22 PM
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Informative documentary on the effects of drugs on spiders.....

http://youtu.be/Dg-r-S0fIkA
More Spiders On Drugs.
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Old 04-05-2013, 04:13 PM
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While some animals do have a propensity for alcohol, the doctor who made the link between alcohol and liver disease was using baboons, who refused to drink the stuff.
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Old 04-05-2013, 05:48 PM
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My dog is currently on a prescription of xanax for separation anxiety. It doesn't seem to have any effect on him.
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Old 04-05-2013, 07:13 PM
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Our cat has a heart condition; he takes human drugs for it (atenolol and diltiazem), but only a part of a pill a day.

He also takes aspirin -- a low-dose tablet every three days. Cats don't metabolize aspirin well, but this dosage seems to work -- he's been on the regimen for 15 years.
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Old 04-05-2013, 09:27 PM
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Years ago I saw some wildlife documentary.

It showed a certain area in Africa where some fruit (it was a long time ago and I don't remember the details) would fall on the ground and ferment.

The animals of the area would go to feast on the fermented fruit and get drunk.
The relevant scene from "Animals Are Beautiful People." It has a very "The Gods Must Be Crazy" feel to it so I might question its authenticity. Still, I saw it recently and it is very fun to watch, as animal documentaries go.
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Old 04-05-2013, 09:35 PM
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The only ones I've seen first hand are many dogs and a couple of cats who seemed to enjoy the taste of their owners' mary jane stash. They definitely did not enjoy the results of eating said mary jane.

Hmm, what else, now that I think about it dogs don't do well with coke or amphetamines, either, though I haven't seen more than a couple of those.
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Old 04-05-2013, 11:11 PM
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Years ago I saw some wildlife documentary.

It showed a certain area in Africa where some fruit (it was a long time ago and I don't remember the details) would fall on the ground and ferment.

The animals of the area would go to feast on the fermented fruit and get drunk.

A poor giraffe could barely hold his head up with his neck swinging from side to side, and a chimp fell out of a tree.
All the animals were quite wobbly and they all mixed together as the predators weren't in any shape to catch anything, and the prey wasn't in any shape to run away.

Then they showed the poor animals the next morning.

The lion looked miserable, you knew by the look in his eyes he had to have a pounding head ache.
A monkey sat holding his head.
All of them looked like they were feeling pretty bad.

After the drunken spree, they recovered and got back to doing what animals do.
I understand that elephants will also seek out fermenting fruit, or human-made liquor. I recall reading many years ago of an incident where a herd of elephants invaded a village, ripped open a building to get at the illegal moonshine operation inside, and after slurping up the supply did further damage to the village staggering drunkenly into walls and such.

I also note that Wikipedia has a short article on Zoopharmacognosy (animal self-medication) which includes this:

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Elephants in Africa will self-medicate by chewing on the leaves of a tree from the family Boraginaceae, which induces labor. Kenyans also use this tree for the same purpose.
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Old 04-06-2013, 01:01 AM
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I'm glad I didn't have to be the first one to post the link to the effects of drugs on spiders. Very informative. Anyone ever get any more information about the crack spider's bitch?
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Old 04-07-2013, 10:24 PM
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Many common antibiotic drugs (the ..cillin or ..mycin ones, for example) are effective on both humans and common domestic animals (horses, cows, pigs, cats, dogs).

Sedative/tranquilizer drugs have similar effects on humans & other animals, but side effects may be serious. For example, some horse tranquilizer drugs are misused by humans for their mind-altering side effects (They might do this to horses too, but we can't tell.) Dosages are also often critical.

With painkillers, many seem to affect both humans & and animals. But appropriate dosages are often critical -- so much so that many are not used on both. The original one, opiates (like opium, morphine, heroin, etc.) works on humans, horses, cows, pigs, & dogs -- but not cats! (It works on cats -- too well. They can't excrete it, so t stays in their system, eventually overwhelming them, usually fatally.)
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Old 04-08-2013, 01:15 AM
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I'm glad I didn't have to be the first one to post the link to the effects of drugs on spiders.
I have this image of a drugged spider shaking and clawing at itself, and saying to another spider "Humans! I've got humans crawling all over me!!"
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Old 04-08-2013, 01:55 AM
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I've observed cats and dogs high on marijuana on a few occassions and the only obvious visible effects that I noticed was a sort of lethargic behavior. ie: They slept more than they normally would.
Well, at least, the dog did. There also didn't seem to be any visible after effects, either.
He may have had the 'munchies', but most dogs that I've ever owned seemed to be hungry all of the time, anyway.
It was kind of hard to tell with the cats, though. IMHO, cats seem to be high, all of the time.

And before all of the PETA dopers start up a lynch mob, the animals weren't mine,
and I didn't get them high.

(This happened, many years ago.)
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Old 04-09-2013, 12:33 PM
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Many common antibiotic drugs (the ..cillin or ..mycin ones, for example) are effective on both humans and common domestic animals (horses, cows, pigs, cats, dogs).

Sedative/tranquilizer drugs have similar effects on humans & other animals, but side effects may be serious. For example, some horse tranquilizer drugs are misused by humans for their mind-altering side effects (They might do this to horses too, but we can't tell.) Dosages are also often critical.

With painkillers, many seem to affect both humans & and animals. But appropriate dosages are often critical -- so much so that many are not used on both. The original one, opiates (like opium, morphine, heroin, etc.) works on humans, horses, cows, pigs, & dogs -- but not cats! (It works on cats -- too well. They can't excrete it, so t stays in their system, eventually overwhelming them, usually fatally.)
One of my previous dogs has been given prednisone, antibiotics, and when both previous dogs got stung by bees (the german shepherd was trying to catch and eat them - guess she got one), childrens' benedryl was recommended. Knocked them right out but they were fine by the rest of the day.

I don't have a cite but I think ibuprofen (advil) is very bad for dogs.
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Old 04-09-2013, 12:51 PM
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A dedicated stoner friend of mine had a cat that was exposed to great billowing clouds of secondhand reefer smoke more or less all day every day.

That critter was paranoid. She hid all the time, and then would strike from unexpected directions. She popped up in between the couch and the wall and clawed the crap out of the back of my head many times.

So, at least when it comes to cats and weed, people drugs turn animals into psychotic ninjas.

Giving PCP to a gorilla that had been trained to use a spear, and then forcing it to fight a grizzly bear would be awesome.

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