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Old 07-12-2019, 04:51 PM
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Hundreds of thousands of people plan to rush Area 51 so they can see aliens


Unlikely that any more than a dozen would actually show up, but several hundred thousand people plan to storm the Area 51 facility in September to get a look at those aliens in freezers.


There are also Facebook planning groups for the "event".
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Old 07-12-2019, 04:54 PM
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I wish them lots of luck. It's not going to be as easy as storming the fences at Woodstock.

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I'm hoping for some entertaining YouTube videos. I imagine a large-scale recreation of that time a bunch of idiots tried to blockade an ICE facility in the pacific northwest and got pepperballed and arrested for their trouble.

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Old 07-12-2019, 05:22 PM
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More "several thousand people clicked the 'going to attend' button on Facebook."
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Old 07-12-2019, 05:24 PM
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More "several thousand people clicked the 'going to attend' button on Facebook."
When I checked this morning I think over 400,000 clicked.

Someone has already done a simulation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjVFA71BF-Y
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Old 07-12-2019, 05:37 PM
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They do know that the military guards that place, and they're authorized to shoot to kill intruders?
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Old 07-12-2019, 05:41 PM
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Multiple news publications ran the story by July 9th and 10th, including LiveScience, The Daily Mail, and Newsweek, with the highlight of their articles being the high number of those that clicked ‘Going’ to the event, but without acknowledging the joke elements of the event post.
The same could be said for the OP.
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They do know that the military guards that place, and they're authorized to shoot to kill intruders?
I know that the signs say it, and it's a common trope that they'll do it, but does anyone know if any of the security for special weapons/material storage areas or national security areas like Area 51, have ever shot and killed trespassers?

I know about the guy who drove onto past the gates at Mercury, onto the Nevada National Security Site, left his vehicle with a metallic object in his hand, and got ventilated for his trouble, but IMHO, that would've happened on any felony traffic stop in Nye County. I mean cases like where people "break red" on an Air Force Base or No Lone Zone, and the security forces actually shoot at them.

I've never heard of such an occurrence. Though I guess the Air Force SPs love to take people down, and hold them at gunpoint should their procedures be violated. But for instances like alleged trespassers at Pantex, the Plowshares people trespassing on Minuteman silos or at Y-12, or even the latest trespassing incident at the Vallecitos Nuclear Facility, nobody got shot at. So I'm wondering if it's ever happened.

I have heard of the Red Army Faction trying to raid a special weapons depot near Giessen, Germany in the 1970s, that resulted in gunfire.

For the OP: the gate and fence are 10s of miles from the base itself. I hope the protesters packed a lunch and lots of water.
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Old 07-12-2019, 05:51 PM
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I know that the signs say it, and it's a common trope that they'll do it, but does anyone know if any of the security for special weapons/material storage areas or national security areas like Area 51, have ever shot and killed trespassers?

I know about the guy who drove onto past the gates at Mercury, onto the Nevada National Security Site, left his vehicle with a metallic object in his hand, and got ventilated for his trouble, but IMHO, that would've happened on any felony traffic stop in Nye County. I mean cases like where people "break red" on an Air Force Base or No Lone Zone, and the security forces actually shoot at them.

I've never heard of such an occurrence. Though I guess the Air Force SPs love to take people down, and hold them at gunpoint should their procedures be violated. But for instances like alleged trespassers at Pantex, the Plowshares people trespassing on Minuteman silos or at Y-12, or even the latest trespassing incident at the Vallecitos Nuclear Facility, nobody got shot at. So I'm wondering if it's ever happened.

I have heard of the Red Army Faction trying to raid a special weapons depot near Giessen, Germany in the 1970s, that resulted in gunfire.

For the OP: the gate and fence are 10s of miles from the base itself. I hope the protesters packed a lunch and lots of water.


For the Area 51 guards, this would probably be the funnest event of their careers. They probably spend entire years patrolling that empty wasteland with nothing happening.
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I mean, even the White House's security staff doesn't canoe the heads of trespassers. Or even guys shooting at them from the street.
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For the Area 51 guards, this would probably be the funnest event of their careers. They probably spend entire years patrolling that empty wasteland with nothing happening.
I imagine it would be a gigantic pain in the ass for them if they actually had to discharge any of their weapons. AIUI, for previous cases of trespassing, they arrest the trespassers and hold them for Nye County Sheriff's officers. I've never heard of them having to use more force than the minimum to effect an arrest. Do the security guys from EG&G or G4S, or whoever has the contract now, get qualified immunity as federal or state law enforcement officers?

Jeez, I don't know if they've been sued for unlawful use of force or deprivation of civil rights under color of authority, but could you imagine what a pain discovery would be for them? At least they admit the base exists now.
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I know that the signs say it, and it's a common trope that they'll do it, but does anyone know if any of the security for special weapons/material storage areas or national security areas like Area 51, have ever shot and killed trespassers?
My BIL was a civilian contractor for the Air Force (at least that is what he claimed... not questioning what he did but the "civilian" part) and worked on the F-117 program and went to area 51 often.

He said one time he was distracted and accidentally walked out of a wrong door and said that before he knew it he was face down with an M16 pointed at his head so I don't doubt that if they needed to they would shoot someone trying to run into the area without a second thought.
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My BIL was a civilian contractor for the Air Force (at least that is what he claimed... not questioning what he did but the "civilian" part) and worked on the F-117 program and went to area 51 often.

He said one time he was distracted and accidentally walked out of a wrong door and said that before he knew it he was face down with an M16 pointed at his head so I don't doubt that if they needed to they would shoot someone trying to run into the area without a second thought.
Yep, and that happens quite a bit, if the accounts of pilots/ground crew and their interactions with Air Force SPs is taken at face value. (Oakminster? LSLGuy? Any stories?) AIUI, the term is "breaking red" for the red line that's painted around things like aircraft, bunkers, etc... There are designated areas where people can come and go to those things, and if you don't go through those areas, you get to taste concrete for awhile with a gun to the back of your head. Though I thought they generally hailed the trespasser before going hands on....

But they generally don't shoot. Or I'd not heard of them doing it. (Do they even have ammunition chambered in their weapons most of the time?)

It's a common story though, and so common, I was wondering if there'd been any unintentional discharges by the security personnel. Or intentional.
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Old 07-12-2019, 06:23 PM
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Not quite the same but tonight, hundreds are going to storm out of a theater in Phoenixville, PA. Hey, The Blob was (is?) an alien.
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Old 07-12-2019, 06:24 PM
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(Do they even have ammunition chambered in their weapons most of the time?)
Funny you should mention this... we went with him to the Dayton Air Show the first time the F-117 was on public display. It was roped off with an armed guard and while walking up he told us "I guarantee you he has a round chambered."

He also from about 50 yards away said "it's one of the older ones." He chatted with the guard who very quickly snapped into a much more attentive position after a couple of comments my BIL made.
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The FB group and the entire event were just set up as a joke, but when I first heard about it I thought about starting a thread here about what would be the actual AF response if it were a credible threat to the base.

My thoughts were that 200k (at the time) people on foot would just be fun for the defenders armed with water cannons. Mix in a little tear gas and pepper spray for seasoning and it'll just be one big party.
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That number of people may have clicked the button. The 35 or so people who may actually show up in the area will have little support. Internet support is not real. A few people who can support themselves in a small town, in the middle of no where. In what is actually just a one bar/café town. Click bait news.
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I'm hoping for some entertaining YouTube videos. I imagine a large-scale recreation of that time a bunch of idiots tried to blockade an ICE facility in the pacific northwest and got pepperballed and arrested for their trouble.
I agree they are idiots. But really? You want to watch them get shot?
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I agree they are idiots. But really? You want to watch them get shot?
They cull the herd when deer populations get to dense to be supported. Why should idiots be treated any differently?
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They cull the herd when deer populations get to dense to be supported. Why should idiots be treated any differently?
But do you want to actually watch it? People. Getting shot. By the federal government, no less. To watch over and over on youtube? I'm not saying it should censored. I'm asking if that is something he, or you, or anyone, wants to actually see. For "entertainment"
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But really? You want to watch them get shot?
You'll note in his post HD doesn't actually say anything about deadly force being used in any of the videos he wants to watch. He's not talking about what you think he's talking about.
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But do you want to actually watch it? People. Getting shot. By the federal government, no less. To watch over and over on youtube? I'm not saying it should censored. I'm asking if that is something he, or you, or anyone, wants to actually see. For "entertainment"
No, I wasn't the one saying they wanted entertaining YouTube videos (which I think was a joke), I was the one making a different joke about culling the herd of idiots.

You do realize this event is never going to happen don't you? Therefore pretty much every response is a joke.
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No, I wasn't the one saying they wanted entertaining YouTube videos (which I think was a joke), I was the one making a different joke about culling the herd of idiots.

You do realize this event is never going to happen don't you? Therefore pretty much every response is a joke.
Given the person I was initially responding to's post history, I'm not so sure it was a joke. Which is why I asked.

But yeah, I agree the "event" will probably be a few dozen idiots at most.
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I know that the signs say it, and it's a common trope that they'll do it, but does anyone know if any of the security for special weapons/material storage areas or national security areas like Area 51, have ever shot and killed trespassers?
I escorted my son's Scout troop to a a wildlife preserve that was built on the site of a World War II era weapons plant. It also happened to be on the same grounds as a federal hazardous waste dump. As soon as the kids crossed the road to look through the fence at the dump site (and there was really nothing to see) a guard told them to get back to the other side.

Back when there were such a thing as missile silos out in the rural Midwest, I pulled into the driveway of one to turn around. Didn't even get close to the gate, but an armed guard appeared out of nowhere and eyeballed me until I got back on the road and drove off. I'm reasonably sure if I had tried to ram my car through the gate, unfortunate events would have transpired.
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As mentioned in OP, I know full well nobody (or only a few) will show up. It is an interesting springboard question, though, how big a crowd the U.S. military can hold off. 500,000? 5 million?

(Without bloodshed. Obviously, a few AC-130s could kill many thousands with ease)
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As mentioned in OP, I know full well nobody (or only a few) will show up. It is an interesting springboard question, though, how big a crowd the U.S. military can hold off. 500,000? 5 million?

(Without bloodshed. Obviously, a few AC-130s could kill many thousands with ease)
I guarantee that nobody will see aliens.
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I agree they are idiots. But really? You want to watch them get shot?
I doubt they'd actually get shot, at least not by anything lethal. I suspect they may get detained and / or arrested though.
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Given the person I was initially responding to's post history, I'm not so sure it was a joke. Which is why I asked.
Yeah, I hadn't really paid attention to who posted it. Your were right to question if it was a joke or not.
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My BIL was a civilian contractor for the Air Force (at least that is what he claimed... not questioning what he did but the "civilian" part) and worked on the F-117 program and went to area 51 often.

He said one time he was distracted and accidentally walked out of a wrong door and said that before he knew it he was face down with an M16 pointed at his head so I don't doubt that if they needed to they would shoot someone trying to run into the area without a second thought.
I'm surprised he told you that much about what he did. I've mentioned before here that I had a relative through marriage, who "worked at work." All he would tell us is that he worked for Hughes Something or other, and got dropped off at the private/cargo aviation side of McCarran Airport. He'd be back in a week or two weeks (I forget the exact interval of time). And that was it. The only change was that after awhile, the interval grew, and I think he let slip that his flights were longer. Wouldn't tell us anything else.

His wife thought he was a long distance truck driver when they first started dating. Got acquainted that he did something else when background check guys did their thing. I guess they reinterview people after a period of time. Chefguy had a pretty good set of posts on that whole thing awhile back.

"Hey, I'm an airplane buff. I play Harpoon for fun. Any non-classified tidbits you can tell?" Nope.

What was downright eerie, was that they had a block party, for residents/neighbors in the nondescript neighborhood in Henderson, and everyone there worked with my relative.

So I'm surprised you got that much out of him.
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Your average city cop is much more likely to use their gun to shoot an injured or dangerous animal than they are to shoot a person. That is probably also the case at Area 51.

Announcing the time and date upon which they all plan to descend upon the facility? What could possibly go wrong with that?
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I'm surprised he told you that much about what he did. I've mentioned before here that I had a relative through marriage, who "worked at work." All he would tell us is that he worked for Hughes Something or other, and got dropped off at the private/cargo aviation side of McCarran Airport. He'd be back in a week or two weeks (I forget the exact interval of time). And that was it. The only change was that after awhile, the interval grew, and I think he let slip that his flights were longer. Wouldn't tell us anything else.

His wife thought he was a long distance truck driver when they first started dating. Got acquainted that he did something else when background check guys did their thing. I guess they reinterview people after a period of time. Chefguy had a pretty good set of posts on that whole thing awhile back.

"Hey, I'm an airplane buff. I play Harpoon for fun. Any non-classified tidbits you can tell?" Nope.

What was downright eerie, was that they had a block party, for residents/neighbors in the nondescript neighborhood in Henderson, and everyone there worked with my relative.

So I'm surprised you got that much out of him.
He only told us years after the fact. He used to go on "business trips" but never said where. His wife had a phone number and a code that if she needed to get a message to him she could call and it would be relayed to him.

He continued to work for several years after he was able to tell us about the F-117 project (and I'm sure he just told us a fraction) so who knows what else he was involved in. Coincidentally he is retired now with a home in a nondescript neighborhood in Henderson.
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"Hey, I'm an airplane buff. I play Harpoon for fun. Any non-classified tidbits you can tell?" Nope.
This reminds me of when I asked my friend who was an officer on a nuclear submarine how fast it could go. He responded "I couldn't tell you." I said... you're an officer on the submarine and you don't know how fast it can go? to which he responded... "I didn't say I don't know."
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The guards really wouldn't have to do much even if thousands of people suddenly show up. Nellis is less than 15 minutes away on afterburners. Since that is where they base and train most of the tactical fighters in the USAF, I am sure that the crowd would disperse (and shit themselves silly) after the first low-level pass without anybody firing a shot.
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His wife thought he was a long distance truck driver when they first started dating. Got acquainted that he did something else when background check guys did their thing. I guess they reinterview people after a period of time.
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Boy, will they be surprised when the hit the force field bubble surrounding Area 51!
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This reminds me of when I asked my friend who was an officer on a nuclear submarine how fast it could go. He responded "I couldn't tell you." I said... you're an officer on the submarine and you don't know how fast it can go? to which he responded... "I didn't say I don't know."
They get pissy IME about the, "How deep can this go?" question too. Joan Lunden on some 'inside America's nuclear submarines' show, accidentally spilt the beans (and the Public Affairs Officer responsible for the documentary was asleep at the switch), when Joan mentioned on camera, 'here we are at 1400 feet' or the like. Online butthurt ensued.

I can't blame them, given it's their asses in that pipe, and not mine, and given the history of the Silent Service and the American print media. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_J._May

If you need to know, feel free to sign on the line which is dotted, and go find out. But I'm still interested in the subject, obviously.
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I remember Chefguy had a really good precis on the whole process in some thread here. Every 15 years must be a pain, especially for higher clearances, given my understanding of the backlog to get the process finished. For a SSBI, I thought they were running 24-36 months behind, and I've no idea if the renewal is as much of a PITA as the initial investigation.
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Boy, will they be surprised when the hit the force field bubble surrounding Area 51!
Wait until the defenders unleash the 1920s-style death ray, reverse-engineered from alien technology recovered from the spacecraft that crashed at Roswell in the '40s.
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The guards really wouldn't have to do much even if thousands of people suddenly show up. Nellis is less than 15 minutes away on afterburners. Since that is where they base and train most of the tactical fighters in the USAF, I am sure that the crowd would disperse (and shit themselves silly) after the first low-level pass without anybody firing a shot.
Depending on the crowd, they may just get their smartphones out for the airshow.
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Unlikely that any more than a dozen would actually show up, but several hundred thousand people plan to storm the Area 51 facility in September to get a look at those aliens in freezers.


There are also Facebook planning groups for the "event".
I think the air force has a plan for this contingency. They have bought up a lot of alien costumes and when the people storm the gates, they are going to run into a shit load of aliens. It would be almost like independence day, when the aliens do things, sexual things to the gate crashers.
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I think the air force has a plan for this contingency. They have bought up a lot of alien costumes and when the people storm the gates, they are going to run into a shit load of aliens. It would be almost like independence day, when the aliens do things, sexual things to the gate crashers.
So Burning Man South....

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I just know that some poor schmuck colonel in the bowels of the Pentagon has been tasked to plan for this just in case.
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Old 07-13-2019, 06:52 PM
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For the OP: the gate and fence are 10s of miles from the base itself. I hope the protesters packed a lunch and lots of water.
Was the first thing I thought. It may actually turn into mainly a rescue mission for the security force.
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Old 07-13-2019, 07:10 PM
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400,000 twelve year olds on the internet can't be wrong, shit it going down.
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Old 07-14-2019, 09:06 AM
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But they generally don't shoot. Or I'd not heard of them doing it. (Do they even have ammunition chambered in their weapons most of the time?)

It's a common story though, and so common, I was wondering if there'd been any unintentional discharges by the security personnel. Or intentional.
I work on a military base, and just in the 10 years I've worked there, there have been multiple incidents of deranged people trying to drive on base unauthorized, and the DoD police, i.e. the kids standing at the gate with M-16s, absolutely will and have opened fire on them.

And we're a freakin' hospital.
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Old 07-14-2019, 09:06 AM
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Yes, lets run a half marathon through desert conditions (and there won't be water stations) and then you find the trained soldiers who have been sitting in the shade with their loaded weapons in front of the locked doors. And this is assuming they don't bother to send some fighter jets along the way to make it a bit more of a challenge. Sounds like a great idea to me.
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