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Old 05-21-2019, 11:57 AM
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[QUOTE=DCnDC;21652733]You don't even need to know any women, you just buy a camera, move to the San Fernando Valley, get on your computer and visit any number of online "adult model" directories, hire a girl (or whatever you're into), do your shoot, edit (though not really even necessary from a lot of what I've seen, I mean heard about), and upload to any number of free porn sites, or create your own.

Yep; I've heard that the San Fernando Valley is the porn capital of the US.
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The iphone came out in 2007. Lots of things have happened since then, and this thread was started shortly thereafter. My point is that the original calculations and conversation is pretty much irrelevant. Chaturbate and many other sites offer anybody the opportunity to make a porn "movie." They go on line, do their thing, someone captures it, and it becomes a thing on a porn site. Zillions of little videos exist that are no more than 5-10 minutes long. Obviously, millions of girls - and guys - are willing to be filmed having sex. Ads for "models" abound in all sorts of versions all over the country. The better question is who ISN'T making porn? (besides my wife, that is).
The better question is, how do porn sites generate revenue? Ads are the usual stream for free (non-porn) sites like the Dope or TV Tropes. But, uh, a friend of mine spends time on porn sites, and I’ve on - I mean, he’s - only seen one or two different ads. And I can’t imagine that mainstream companies like Amazon or WalMart or Lowe’s include Pornhub in their ad buys. So where are they making their profits? Just by selling memberships?

The other good question is, why do porn directors think straight men want to watch ten minutes of a woman giving a blowjob? I didn’t lock myself in the bathroom with the fan on just to see another guy’s wanger!
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The other good question is, why do porn directors think straight men want to watch ten minutes of a woman giving a blowjob? I didn’t lock myself in the bathroom with the fan on just to see another guy’s wanger!
Once upon a time there was a woman named Xaviera Hollander who became a very famous sex worker and wrote a book called The Happy Hooker. During that time Ms. Hollander made a statement to the effect that she'd still be working as a secretary if wives would just perform oral sex. I suspect the directo is just giving the audience what they want.
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A good chunk of the major porn sites are owned by the same company. That company also owns a number of the big name porn producers that also have their own sites. Those production company sites are where paid memberships kick in some revenue for access to exclusive content (that hasn't leaked yet) and live streaming events. The tube sites push traffic to the paid membership sites that they own by posting shorter or lower resolution samples in many cases. Within the ecosystem a number of sites host paid live webcams and take a hefty chunk off the top for that business. That webcam market is big business. There's even still a market for porn DVDs. Since the production companies selling them are linked to the tube sites the free stuff is effectively advertising things they sell.
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Once upon a time there was a woman named Xaviera Hollander who became a very famous sex worker and wrote a book called The Happy Hooker. During that time Ms. Hollander made a statement to the effect that she'd still be working as a secretary if wives would just perform oral sex. I suspect the directo is just giving the audience what they want.
Then those directors are apparently clueless about the significant difference between receiving a blowjob and watching somebody else receive a blowjob.
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The better question is, how do porn sites generate revenue?
You don't need many subscribers to make a decent turnover. There are a lot of consumers out there looking for a particular niche, ranging from vanilla safe-for-work softcore, to weird borderline illegal hardcore, and are willing to pay a small monthly fee for the high def, full length, guaranteed quality they reliably provide. When I worked for an adult site (a long time ago, it helped that we started early in the internet's lifetime) we had about 30-40k subscribers at our peak, and that was a lot of income. You might not get that many now (hard to know for sure) but even 10k will net you some decent cash.
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Then those directors are apparently clueless about the significant difference between receiving a blowjob and watching somebody else receive a blowjob.
Blame it on Deep Throat. When that became a success, everyone had to emulate it, so it became pretty much standard for porn movies to have felatio.
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Surely the problem is that there are not many different things that two people can do during sex, or ways that they can do it. A woman only has three places where a penis can be inserted (four if you count between the breasts) and a man only has two. The options can be multiplied up by adding more people, but it is still pretty limited. If the movie is just porn with no plot, what else are they going to fill the time with?

This is why there is a constant search for more women to take part; since the audience is mainly heterosexual male, there is more demand for new women than new men. As said up-thread somewhere, reliable men are harder to find than willing women.

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Surely the problem is that there are not many different things that two people can do during sex, or ways that they can do it. A woman only has three places where a penis can be inserted (four if you count between the breasts) and a man only has two.
This makes it sound like porn would be more exciting on a planet where the inhabitants had more orifices.
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Linda Lovelace's two books Ordeal and Our of Bondage are a good read, and a good story about the porn industry she was in at the time. Some of the women were forced into making porn under the threats of violence and death.
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A woman only has three places where a penis can be inserted (four if you count between the breasts)
Even if you are counting "ear" as just one place, I'm still not matching your count.

ETA: NM, I figured it out. You weren't counting "sister".

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Even if you are counting "ear" as just one place, I'm still not matching your count.
No, no, it's not aural sex!
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This makes it sound like porn would be more exciting on a planet where the inhabitants had more orifices.
I have seen pictures of some prosthetic female figures that strive to emulate the real thing. Maybe the manufacturers will take that suggestion on board, but somehow I doubt it.
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Linda Lovelace's two books Ordeal and Our of Bondage are a good read, and a good story about the porn industry she was in at the time. Some of the women were forced into making porn under the threats of violence and death.
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Or see the film Inside Deep Throat where none of her co-stars thought her books were accurate. They agreed that she was in an abusive relationship with Chuck Traynor, and that they would conspire to send him off on errands to get him off the set so they could get a good shoot, and that when he was not around she enjoyed the experience.
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Read Linda Lovelace's books Ordeal and Out of Bondage for some insights into the porn industry way back when. I don't know how much it has changed today.
Your first post was from 2010 and as gaffa wrote nine years ago, there is good reason to believe that Lovelace's situation was due to her horrific relationship with Chuck Traynor rather than being a standard or even significant minor part of the industry. My understanding is that virtually every person mentioned in those books has refuted her allegations about others. It should also be noted that she didn't work in what is now thought of as the porn "industry." Traynor worked in the criminal underground and used mob money to finance Deep Throat. That underground mostly disappeared after legal and freely available porn became standard.

There are dozens of books by women who have worked in the industry. Some report positive experiences, some are certainly negative. Women are exploited in porn - but many of the books take pains to emphasize that's also true in mainstream movies and that, ironically, porn does not have a casting couch culture. Drugs are a more constant danger than violence.

Georgina Spelvin, the Miss Jones in The Devil in Miss Jones, wrote a memoir of that time period called The Devil Made Me Do It. It presents an utterly different picture of the industry. And also a very different one from The Deuce, HBO's show about the beginnings of mainstream porn.
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Then those directors are apparently clueless about the significant difference between receiving a blowjob and watching somebody else receive a blowjob.
Normally I hate to play the "It must be popular, because so many examples exist" because market failure is a thing. There are pervasive tropes in movies that nobody likes. TV was pretty crap for decades.

However online video sites receive a heck of a lot more data about what is popular and what isn't, and there is a lot of competition for attention. It is a pretty efficient market in that respect. If a lot of BJ movies are made and featured prominently it's because a lot of people (OK, men) enjoy watching them.

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There are dozens of books by women who have worked in the industry. Some report positive experiences, some are certainly negative. Women are exploited in porn - but many of the books take pains to emphasize that's also true in mainstream movies and that, ironically, porn does not have a casting couch culture. Drugs are a more constant danger than violence.
My impression is that porn has all the same pitfalls of the rest of the entertainment industry. Namely: inconsistent pay, high pressure, extreme competition for work, a low ceiling for aging out, and all the emotional hills and valleys that come with being critiqued and judged and scrutinized. Add in the presence of drugs and alcohol, and it's a business where it's easy to get chewed up and spit out.

But again, this is the whole entertainment industry, not just porn.
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; since the audience is mainly heterosexual male,
Less and less true. Two third of women watch porn regularly. Women who never watch porn are pretty much as rare as men who don't. They're now a significant part of porn viewers, about 1/4. And in particular, they're a significant part of gay (male) porn watchers. And "rough sex" porn watchers.

https://www.bustle.com/p/women-actua...watching-63850 (the title is misleading : in fact, what they refer to is the fact that women, when they watch porn, spend more time watching it than men).
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If two thirds of women watch porn regularly, and women make up about 1/4 of porn users, does that imply that 200% of men watch porn?
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I can't hear you! I have a penis in my ear!
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That may be. Just for the record, that's not true in the U.S. Depictions of crimes are not in themselves crimes. Rape can easily be faked, just as it is in non-porn. Incest can legally be part of a creative work, assuming the actors are not closely related in real life. Pedophilia, assuming that prepubescents aren't involved, can be easily faked by using a young-looking 18 year old. There are at least five states with no bestiality laws.

All of them are quite legal in written work, BTW, protected by the First Amendment.
The bolded part was a topic in my college ethics class. Back then, even simulations were illegal. Apparently this is no longer the case as it violated free speech and there were no victims of this "crime."
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This makes it sound like porn would be more exciting on a planet where the inhabitants had more orifices.
Jack Nicholson in The Last Detail (described as the first silent movie made for TV, in the days before bleeps) mentions a hooker with a glass eye who would "take it out and wink you off".
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The bolded part was a topic in my college ethics class. Back then, even simulations were illegal. Apparently this is no longer the case as it violated free speech and there were no victims of this "crime."
As I understand it, it is like drugs. If you claim that it really is an illegal act such as underage participants then it's illegal. (just as if I sell you oregano and claim it's pot, or icing sugar claiming it's coke)

But for example, Blue Is the Warmest Color features very explicit scenes happening before they show us the main character's 18th birthday party. But, we all know they are actors already legally old enough, and it's just a story, and the movie producers make no claim otherwise.

I'm not clear what the situation is with CGI. I imagine that tech is coming...

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Jack Nicholson in The Last Detail (described as the first silent movie made for TV, in the days before bleeps) mentions a hooker with a glass eye who would "take it out and wink you off".
She likes repeat business, so she'll keep an eye out for you.
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I guess I always assumed all the porn actresses came from porn acting schools.
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Jack Nicholson in The Last Detail (described as the first silent movie made for TV, in the days before bleeps) mentions a hooker with a glass eye who would "take it out and wink you off".
He also specifies that she lives in Wilmington. I love that little "detail."

That's Nicholson's greatest role, IMO - he knocked that one out of the park. I wonder if he was just playing himself. Part of me feels like he was.
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A good chunk of the major porn sites are owned by the same company. That company also owns a number of the big name porn producers that also have their own sites. Those production company sites are where paid memberships kick in some revenue for access to exclusive content (that hasn't leaked yet) and live streaming events. The tube sites push traffic to the paid membership sites that they own by posting shorter or lower resolution samples in many cases. Within the ecosystem a number of sites host paid live webcams and take a hefty chunk off the top for that business. That webcam market is big business. There's even still a market for porn DVDs. Since the production companies selling them are linked to the tube sites the free stuff is effectively advertising things they sell.
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You don't need many subscribers to make a decent turnover. There are a lot of consumers out there looking for a particular niche, ranging from vanilla safe-for-work softcore, to weird borderline illegal hardcore, and are willing to pay a small monthly fee for the high def, full length, guaranteed quality they reliably provide. When I worked for an adult site (a long time ago, it helped that we started early in the internet's lifetime) we had about 30-40k subscribers at our peak, and that was a lot of income. You might not get that many now (hard to know for sure) but even 10k will net you some decent cash.
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If two thirds of women watch porn regularly, and women make up about 1/4 of porn users, does that imply that 200% of men watch porn?
It presumably just means that men watch it even more regularly. The 2/3 figure comes from adding women watching porn at least once a week and women watching porn at least once a month.
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I'm amazed at the amount of amateur porn that's on the internet. People willing to just record themselves and put it out there.
It's interesting and exciting for me.
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If you're interested in the "Golden Age" of scripted porn, download various episodes of the Rialto Report podcast. They've done long interviews with dozens of actresses, directors, scriptwriters, cinematographers and anyone involved in creating them. Lovelace's book Ordeal should be shelved in fiction. Nobody was ever forced to do porn because there's far too many people willing to do it for money.

The best part about that era was that the people appearing in it were aspiring actors. Georgina Spelvin, of The Devil in Miss Jones was it Broadway chorister, and was Shirley MacLaine's understudy on The Pajama Game. She was hired as the caterer for the shoot, was asked to read lines with one of the actors and the director asked her to do the lead.

One of my family friends when I was growing up was a porn actress named Jody Maxwell. She was a theater student at UMKC, and director Gerard Damiano came to speak at the school. He asked her if she was interested in working in the field and created a film for her to star in called Portrait. We met her because she was my dad's boss's daughter.

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This thread inspired me to start reading Sekas memoir. It's been interesting but I feel like there's a whole lot of whitewashing going on. "Boy, was I naive." is a dominant theme. So, a grain of salt is recommended for this book.
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More likely mommy porn actor and a daddy porn actor are making a movie and the condom rips...

IIRC - Hollander mentioned in her book that she got her start with an uncle when she was 14.

I would imagine that some people discover fairly early that there's a lot of money to be made in the sex industry, more so in movies, and it's more interesting than a dull secretarial job or pumping gas. IIRC when Stallone made it big with Rocky, the studio did some clean-up trying to suppress a soft-core porn movie he'd made as a "struggling actor". between the underemployed actor category and the "make more money than pole-dancing" category, there's no shortage of people willing to perform for better money than they get elsewhere.

And as a clever fellow I knew once pointed out... "every woman is sitting on a gold mine."

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I thought that was how Thora Birch came about...
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Thora, named for the Norse god of thunder, has a brother named Bolt.
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This thread inspired me to start reading Sekas memoir. It's been interesting but I feel like there's a whole lot of whitewashing going on. "Boy, was I naive." is a dominant theme. So, a grain of salt is recommended for this book.
A friend of mine knows her and is not impressed with her level of self-knowledge.

I would like to read Veronica Hart's upcoming autobiography.
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Veronica has said in interviews that a coffee urn spilled on her arm. She was hospitalized and the arm is badly scarred. That lead to self-doubt about her appearance and attractiveness.

Going into porn was a way to reaffirm her sexuality. That arm is always covered or hidden from the camera. The covered arm is noticeable if you look for it in scenes. AFAIK it's never been seen publicly

She's one of my favorites from the classic era.

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Since the original post, we had two excellent "Ask The Porn Director" threads hosted by @MikeSouth

https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...d.php?t=661336

https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...d.php?t=749371

They had the somewhat confusing name "Ask the (Not So) Amateur Porn Director". He was a professional director, employing amateur talent, for the most part - many of the women in his productions would only do one of them. He had a lot of excellent information about how he hired people for these productions.

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