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Old 02-14-2017, 02:07 PM
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Why do the producers of Supergirl seem determined to turn it into Smallville?
It did change networks, and CW does have a distinct style.

I'm still sad they took one of my top 10 Legionnaires and screwed him up. Not too fond of this portrayal of the Martian Manhunter either. Surprisingly, I don't mind this version of Guardian, though having him be Jimmy Olsen (I know - conservation of characters and actor expense) is an issue.
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Old 02-14-2017, 08:03 PM
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Not sure I'm a fan of the Lena Luthor is good...or is she BUM BUM BUM! ending.
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Old 02-14-2017, 08:11 PM
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Why do the producers of Supergirl seem determined to turn it into Smallville? There's already enough interpersonal drama without the crappy Lionel/Lex Lillian/Lena daddy mommy-issues drivel. Smallville kinda sucked and turning Supergirl into it is not a good idea.
Could well be you're not the target audience, my friend. My girls - 16 and 12 - as well as their friends...eat it up and want some more. It's the most girl-powered thing I maybe have ever seen.
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Old 02-14-2017, 09:04 PM
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Not sure I'm a fan of the Lena Luthor is good...or is she BUM BUM BUM! ending.
I like the Lena character. Prolly will turn evil eventually.
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Old 02-20-2017, 02:16 PM
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From the end of last week's episode, it appears that
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We're about to have a Mxyzptlk episode. Or as those of us who grew up with the Super Friends call him, "Mister Mixle-plick".
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Old 02-21-2017, 02:18 AM
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Poor Jimmy Olsen. Friendzoned so hard that he didn't even appear in the Valentine's Day episode. Good on Winn for getting some hot alien action.

I guess Mon-el and Kara is actually going to be a thing. And the stupid secret Mon-el's been keeping is going to come between them in the future. I'm on to you CW.

I'm vaguely disappointed by this episode. Mxyzptlk* was rather menacing here, due to his infatuation with Kara. I expect him to be more a creature of pure chaos, doing random stuff just of the hell of it, rather than having a specific goal in mind.

*Chrome's built-in spellchecker amazingly has this in its dictionary.
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Old 02-21-2017, 04:53 AM
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I really don't think Mon-el's secret is going to be all that shocking - turns out he really is the Prince of Daxam, not the Prince's friend, or something like that...this will probably become relevant when his arranged-marriage wife comes looking for him or some similarly 'humourous' event...
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Old 02-21-2017, 06:51 AM
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I liked Mr. Mxyzptlk, though I would have preferred him to be a little bald guy in the orange suit and purple bowler. Writing the name backwards was a little bit of a cheat, in my opinion. Superman always found a way to trick him into saying Kltpzyxm! I have to admit he has a good fashion sense, Kara really rocked that wedding dress.

I think the Alex lesbian romance is getting to be too much of a distraction. The Winn-alien affair was a little too far out there. Why should the aliens' sexual apparatus be compatible with humans?
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Old 02-21-2017, 07:25 AM
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I liked Mr. Mxyzptlk, though I would have preferred him to be a little bald guy in the orange suit and purple bowler. Writing the name backwards was a little bit of a cheat, in my opinion. Superman always found a way to trick him into saying Kltpzyxm!
Off the top of my head, John Byrne did the First-Meeting-Of-Mxy-And-Superman story with the twist of making it seem like the imp's name is maybe unpronounceable by us simpletons, and so he'll provide one by rapidly and casually tapping away at the keys of a typewriter as if at random, and -- hey, okay, MXYZPTLK, sure, let's go with that for the backwards-name challenge, because, what the heck, why not.

Superman does his best to keep the mischief from killing anyone; and then shows up, typewriter at hand, to speechify about how the supposed gamesman isn't treating this seriously, since that's not really what a name is, is it? It's just a bunch of marks you made at random! You'd get a completely different result if you did that again!

To eye-rollingly address this slur on his fair-play bona fides by proving the big guy wrong, Mxyzptlk makes a big show of tapping away just as casually and rapidly as before. Except he's using magic to cheat. Except that's okay, because Superman mucked with the innards so the "M" key now prints a "K", and so on.

The guy disappears in a puff of logic.
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Old 02-21-2017, 07:55 AM
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I liked Mr. Mxyzptlk, though I would have preferred him to be a little bald guy in the orange suit and purple bowler.
I was a bit disappointed that they didn't depict him like that, myself. But no, they had to go with the stereotypical hunky / quirky fellow! I still enjoyed the episode, though.
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Old 02-21-2017, 09:44 AM
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Mr. M. does have a history of romantic inclination. I do remember him pursuing Lucy Lane and would not be surprised if he went after Supergirl at one point or another.
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Old 02-21-2017, 10:00 AM
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I'll admit I wasn't paying as much attention as I could have, but why did Supergirl show up in the Fortress with a glass of orange juice in hand? And drink some of the orange juice before she would answer Mxy? And then put the glass down and never mention it again? I must have missed something, right?
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Old 02-21-2017, 10:42 AM
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The orange suit and the purple bowler are for Superman, for Kara, he went the the "hunky guy" appearance for, well, obvious reasons. We've had some information that neither is his real appearance. Still, at least the hat would have been nice.
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Old 02-21-2017, 11:42 AM
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And Aliens on this show have officially become the same thing demons were on Buffy: originally a secret and a big deal but now just people in make up who apparently go out to dinner and it's no biggie.
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Old 02-21-2017, 12:12 PM
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I'll admit I wasn't paying as much attention as I could have, but why did Supergirl show up in the Fortress with a glass of orange juice in hand? And drink some of the orange juice before she would answer Mxy? And then put the glass down and never mention it again? I must have missed something, right?
IIRC, early on he playfully specified that he didn't have direct power over whether he wins her heart -- or whether she dies -- or whether she drinks orange juice. So that first part explains why he pulls all those hijinks instead of hitting her with a love spell, and the second explains why he frenziedly punches in that mundane solution at the end, and I guess the orange juice was just a callback to the third.
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Old 02-21-2017, 01:14 PM
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I think there's some interesting ethical considerations here. What if Kara said "sure, I"ll consider marrying you if you: (1) cure cancer, (2) cure world hunger, (3) change the laws of reality so that no WMD will ever work in the solar system", and a few other such wishes (carefully phrased to avoid monkey paws). Frankly, it's kind of selfish of her not to do so.
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Old 02-21-2017, 03:45 PM
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I didn't care for this version of Mxyzptlk so much. He's supposed to be an imp, not a good looking fella with perfect 5:00 shadow. The fact that he's small and goofy yet dangerous is kind of the point.
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Old 02-21-2017, 04:57 PM
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IIRC, early on he playfully specified that he didn't have direct power over whether he wins her heart -- or whether she dies -- or whether she drinks orange juice. So that first part explains why he pulls all those hijinks instead of hitting her with a love spell, and the second explains why he frenziedly punches in that mundane solution at the end, and I guess the orange juice was just a callback to the third.
Yes, the orange juice was just a pointed reminder of the rules Mxy enumerated at the start of the episode. He can't control Kara on matters of love, death, and orange juice.
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Old 02-21-2017, 08:53 PM
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Yes, the orange juice was just a pointed reminder of the rules Mxy enumerated at the start of the episode. He can't control Kara on matters of love, death, and orange juice.
Now I remember that. At first I thought it was some odd homage to the Godfather where oranges foreshadow death.
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Old 02-21-2017, 11:07 PM
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Could well be you're not the target audience, my friend. My girls - 16 and 12 - as well as their friends...eat it up and want some more. It's the most girl-powered thing I maybe have ever seen.
Did your girls watch Agent Carter while it was on? If they like this, they may like those as well.
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Old 02-22-2017, 08:00 AM
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Yes, the orange juice was just a pointed reminder of the rules Mxy enumerated at the start of the episode. He can't control Kara on matters of love, death, and orange juice.
Yes! I'd forgotten that. Thanks.
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Old 02-22-2017, 01:26 PM
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Do we know if the Lara's species doesn't implant thier young into thier mate or something? You know there is going to be some drama there (and not just human dating an alien)

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Old 02-27-2017, 12:08 PM
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I enjoyed this episode. Loved the shout outs to Aladddin. Mxy sings "A Whole New World", which is very appropriate, considering Earth is neither his nor Kara's birthplace. The lyrics also reference flying. Winn says that 5th dimensioners may be the source of stories about (among other things) genies. And his rules about what he can't do with his magic reminded me of the ones Genie has in Aladdin.
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Old 02-27-2017, 07:41 PM
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When characters are this stupid, I root for the bad guys to kill the writers.
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Old 02-28-2017, 02:02 AM
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It's a bad day for the DEO when Mon-el is the voice of caution and reason.
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Old 02-28-2017, 05:45 AM
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Yes , I mean even if Mr. Danvers was 100% legit you would think they would examine him for recording devices (or explosives).
Speaking of examination, wouldn't a routine physical reveal that he isn't human?

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Old 02-28-2017, 06:20 AM
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Yes , I mean even if Mr. Danvers was 100% legit you would think they would examine him for recording devices (or explosives).
Especially if the world's greatest x-ray technician is standing right there.
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Old 02-28-2017, 08:45 AM
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It's a bad day for the DEO when Mon-el is the voice of caution and reason.
It was because he was the only one without the personal and emotional connection. So everyone hated him for it.

I'm not expecting great writing on these CW superhero shows, but lately the characters are making Gilligan look like freakin' Stephen Hawking. There's less plot holes and fewer bad decisions in an episode of Power Rangers.
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:39 AM
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Was anybody else expecting this scenario?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impostor_(short_story)
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Old 02-28-2017, 10:29 AM
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This is a pet peeve of mine, but why is it so hard to keep the power levels vaguely consistant?

Supergirl in the first few minutes struggles mightily to stop a truck and then stop a trailer from skidding while staggering about. That puts her around Earth 2 Superman level, and that's fine. But then she holds up a rail for a train and easily holds up the weight of the train while keeping the rail perfectly still. That's Earth 1 Superman level power.

Either one is fine, but switching between the two for...dramatic effect? Not so much.
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Old 02-28-2017, 10:32 AM
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Fan-wank theory: the sexin' that she and Mon-El engaged in the night before she intercepted the Cadmus convoy had depleted her energy reserves.
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Old 02-28-2017, 10:41 AM
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This is a pet peeve of mine, but why is it so hard to keep the power levels vaguely consistant?

Supergirl in the first few minutes struggles mightily to stop a truck and then stop a trailer from skidding while staggering about. That puts her around Earth 2 Superman level, and that's fine. But then she holds up a rail for a train and easily holds up the weight of the train while keeping the rail perfectly still. That's Earth 1 Superman level power.

Either one is fine, but switching between the two for...dramatic effect? Not so much.
In fairness, it's possible that she had to struggle with the skidding trailer because its contents could've been obliterated if she'd used her full strength to bring it to a dead stop; but the train? No problem; she just holds still as it keeps motoring along, which means she can unconcernedly use her full strength to support it.
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Old 02-28-2017, 10:58 AM
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This episode was very predictable. The only thing I wasn't sure of was that Dad was either:
1. Brain washed and not of his own mind.
2. A robot fake (half right).
3. Actually turned evil.
4. An alien in disguise.

The fact that he would be evil and Mon E would be right was given. Just the exact flavor of Evil.
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Old 02-28-2017, 11:09 AM
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This is a pet peeve of mine, but why is it so hard to keep the power levels vaguely consistant?

Supergirl in the first few minutes struggles mightily to stop a truck and then stop a trailer from skidding while staggering about. That puts her around Earth 2 Superman level, and that's fine. But then she holds up a rail for a train and easily holds up the weight of the train while keeping the rail perfectly still. That's Earth 1 Superman level power.

Either one is fine, but switching between the two for...dramatic effect? Not so much.
I agree, but it happens all the time. There's even a TV Trope about it.
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Old 02-28-2017, 02:27 PM
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The Winn-alien affair was a little too far out there. Why should the aliens' sexual apparatus be compatible with humans?
Because comic books. If the aliens look and act human in every other way, why not in the Humpasaurus Rex category too?
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Old 02-28-2017, 02:38 PM
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This episode was very predictable. The only thing I wasn't sure of was that Dad was either:
1. Brain washed and not of his own mind.
2. A robot fake (half right).
3. Actually turned evil.
4. An alien in disguise.

The fact that he would be evil and Mon E would be right was given. Just the exact flavor of Evil.
My guess (and it's probably as bleedingly obvious as it is that Clark Kent is Superman behind those glasses) is that Jeremiah is helping Cadmus under duress. He may be trying to protect his family, but he knows Lillian Luthor will double-cross him in the end, so he's biding his time until he or the DEO can defeat her.

And what is Mon-El's secret that he threatened to tell Kara about?

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Old 02-28-2017, 02:39 PM
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The Winn-alien affair was a little too far out there. Why should the aliens' sexual apparatus be compatible with humans?
Wouldn't have to be compatible. Alien babe can provide gratification to Winn by rubbing on various body parts and/or inserting various parts of Winn into locations on her body (she certainly has a mouth, for instance).

Assuming friction also provides pleasure to alien girl (which isn't a large stretch), Winn can reciprocate, even if she doesn't have a vagina equivalent. And if it isn't friction, then presumably she can explain what does work.
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Old 02-28-2017, 02:42 PM
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For all we know, she's a shapeshifter.

(For all we know, she's J'onn.)
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Old 02-28-2017, 03:05 PM
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The Mon El secret is almost certainly that he is the Prince of Daxum.
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Old 02-28-2017, 03:31 PM
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At this point it's so obvious that Mon-El is actually the prince that it hardly qualifies as a shocking secret. Really, the only way they could surprise me is if it turns out that he's really not the prince, but just the ordinary bodyguard he's been claiming to be all along.

It occurs to me that Jeremiah Danvers has a much better claim to the name "Cyborg Superman" than Hank Henshaw does. Jeremiah is at least played by an actor who used to play Superman.
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Old 02-28-2017, 05:01 PM
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Wouldn't have to be compatible. Alien babe can provide gratification to Winn by rubbing on various body parts and/or inserting various parts of Winn into locations on her body (she certainly has a mouth, for instance).

Assuming friction also provides pleasure to alien girl (which isn't a large stretch), Winn can reciprocate, even if she doesn't have a vagina equivalent. And if it isn't friction, then presumably she can explain what does work.
Some people really put too much thought into this old, tired human/alien trope.
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Old 03-04-2017, 12:56 AM
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So - Cadmus obviously knows that Kara is Supergirl. Why haven't they disclosed her "secret" identity?
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Old 03-04-2017, 09:03 AM
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That raises an interesting question. Do heroes such as Batman or Superman have a "contingency plan" in case their cover identity is blown? A back-up personna, say.
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Old 03-04-2017, 09:29 AM
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That raises an interesting question. Do heroes such as Batman or Superman have a "contingency plan" in case their cover identity is blown? A back-up personna, say.
Erring on the safe side of spoilers,

SPOILER:
in WATCHMEN, Nite Owl's secret identity gets blown -- and he mentions having "set up emergency identities years ago." And the next time we see him in civvies, the dark-haired and clean-shaven Dan Dreiberg (a) has removed his glasses, and (b) is nowhere in sight; there's just some blond dude with a mustache, as per the ID that gives his name as 'Sam Hollis'.

For bonus points, this was right around the time when that same author also penned WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE MAN OF TOMORROW -- where Superman's identity as Clark Kent gets revealed, but nobody looks twice at Jordan Ellliott: the guy who has dyed hair that matches his impressive mustache, and who doesn't wear glasses.
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Old 03-04-2017, 09:56 AM
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It's a bad day for the DEO when Mon-el is the voice of caution and reason.
Yes. I half expected J'onn to say when he was recovering, "The worst...part...was...that...Mon El was...right..."

And if Mon El is the last survivor of Daxam, which apparently he is, that makes him heir to all the property that Daxam has off-planet (assuming there's any) and also, possibly, the one who's supposed to assume any responsibilities for treaties/conspiracies, etc., that his planet was involved in. Then it wouldn't matter if he was "only" a bodyguard.

BTW, notice how he said his father was a "bad man" that he'd run from? I'm guessing that his father's still alive somehow, and will show up.
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Old 03-06-2017, 09:04 PM
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I think it's odd/interesting that in Arrow, they strongly implied that "sensible" gun control included a registry* but in Supergirl, the alien registry just showed the nightmare scenario of all the 'pro gun' types regarding the registry. I'm sure they were going for immigration, but given the Arrow episode, that's not where my mind went.

Moving away from the politics, the green, vaguely sharklike alien who Alex and Maggie rescued: why the hell didn't they just tint him red and give him faceted yellow eyes. He looked exactly like whatever race Kanjar-Ro was from. (I did like the Takron-Galtos reference)
piness or break them up.

I really like Lena as a good guy. She's an interesting character and is filling a niche that is sorely missing without whatsnername---Kat Grant.

Since when has Mon-El forgotten how to speak English? Did I miss him being hit with a brain-damage ray? He's been around for a whole season...so why did this stupid character trait suddenly appear this episode.

Snapper's still a really obnoxious dick. I don't like the actor, I don't like his "look" and I really don't like the fact that he's essentially J. Jonah Jamison.

The guy who plays Jeremiah (Dean Cain?) was mediocre as a Superman (I thought he was waaaaaay too much of a pretty-boy to pull off the look) but I'm loving him as Danvers.

Finally, J'onn was 100% correct to test Alex like he did and he's coming across as a snivelling wimp by apologizing for doing the right thing. (remember, she completely and utterly failed his very valid test)



*I do NOT want to get into the politics of it here, but almost no "pro gun" type will ever agree that a registry is even remotely sensible or reasonable.
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Old 03-06-2017, 09:43 PM
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I think it's cute (at least so far) how the show is wearing its politics on its sleeve.

I agree with the above that J'onn was 100% right and he shouldn't have apologized. Also the scene where he tricked her was very effective. It fooled me.

Regarding the question above about Batman and Superman: I know that at least some point Superman had Clark Kent and Superman robots to cloud the issue of them being separate people and I'm sure Batman had a plan since he had a plan for everything Related story: there's a fun bit in a Justice League episode where Lex Luthor takes over Flash's body. He steps in front of a mirror and says, "Finally I reveal your true identity!" He pulls his mask off and says, "I have no idea who this is".
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Old 03-06-2017, 10:32 PM
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Presumably those were Mon EL's parents. Nice to see continued casting of old hero's with Hercules as dad. Mom looked familiar, but I am too lazy to look her up - is she some old star?
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Old 03-06-2017, 10:38 PM
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Presumably those were Mon EL's parents. Nice to see continued casting of old hero's with Hercules as dad. Mom looked familiar, but I am too lazy to look her up - is she some old star?
Teri Hatcher, Dean Cain's old co-star from Lois and Clark.
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Old 03-07-2017, 02:06 AM
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Some great stunt casting this season. They already had Dean Cain and Helen Slater. Now they're adding Kevin Sorbo and Teri Hatcher. Additional no-spoiler Game of Thrones trivia: Tamzin Merchant, who plays Winn's alien girlfriend, was the original Daenerys Targaryen in the never-aired GoT pilot.

So now Kara has no ties to CatCo. She was never a particularly competent reporter, but Snapper should really have done a better job of nurturing her. Cat Grant, if she ever comes back. would hit the roof.
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