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Old 10-12-2015, 11:58 PM
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Heff says: No more thread-bare hare

If you were wondering what to get Satan for Christmas this year, you might want to consider a pair of ice skates because Hell is freezing over. As of March 0f 2016, Playboy Magazine will no longer feature naked ladies.

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Old 10-13-2015, 12:08 AM
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So, now we'll find out who buys it just for the articles.
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Old 10-13-2015, 12:19 AM
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I guess printing 800,000 issues was getting difficult and they wanted to cut it down to a more manageable number.
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Old 10-13-2015, 12:22 AM
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So, now we'll find out who buys it just for the articles.
Why else would anyone buy it?

I mean, who the hell pays money to look at pictures of naked women these days?

If Playboy wants to turn itself into GQ or Esquire, then good for it. There's certainly more money there than in printed porn.

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Old 10-13-2015, 01:24 AM
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I suspect that Little Nemo is not far off the mark even if he was intending to be sarcastic.

The article I read suggested that the Playboy logo is one of the most recognised in the world. So they can keep monetising that, and I suspect doing so is the main game now.

The magazine is just a tradition and a flagship and perhaps a loss leader, at this point. They don't want to stop publishing it because that would detract from the brand, but they don't really need it to be a focus any more.
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Old 10-13-2015, 01:45 AM
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I let my subscription drop when they started skipping issues. Coming out with a combined "June/July" issue is a clear sign of publishing incompetence.

Good point, though, that nudes -- even high-class "artistic" nudes -- can be found in great volume, free, online.

They still have some of the best cartoons in the world!
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Old 10-13-2015, 02:06 AM
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I suspect that Little Nemo is not far off the mark even if he was intending to be sarcastic.

The article I read suggested that the Playboy logo is one of the most recognised in the world. So they can keep monetising that, and I suspect doing so is the main game now.

The magazine is just a tradition and a flagship and perhaps a loss leader, at this point. They don't want to stop publishing it because that would detract from the brand, but they don't really need it to be a focus any more.
I don't think so, I think this is a move to genuinely save the magazine and turn it into a profit center. They're getting rid of an obsolete business model and trying to redefine the magazine as a respectable literary publication, which would in theory expand their potential readership and advertising base. They always did try to provide quality literary content and had a fair degree of success doing so, partly because they paid lavishly. Unfortunately they've got serious competition in the respectable literary marketplace -- the New Yorker and the Atlantic, for instance. I don't think anyone can touch the New Yorker for editorial quality.

Out of curiosity I looked up what was going on with Penthouse. The then-parent company filed for bankruptcy in 2003. Then in August 2013 the new parent company was delisted from Nasdaq and Penthouse filed for bankruptcy the following month. AFAIK, the magazine is still being published but is more or less on life support. Naked women just ain't what they used to be, it seems.
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Old 10-13-2015, 02:31 AM
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I wonder what that means for the Playboy web site? I was a member of the Playboy Cyber Club right after it opened in the nineties. They had moderated group chats with some of the playboy models. Archives of the centerfolds. I left after less than a year.

Same thing with the Playboy channel. I had it for awhile in the late 80's. Not much original content and I got tired of the repeats. The best thing they offered was a monthly video magazine. Had a lot of sports and extreme sport content. Bungee jumping, hang gliding etc. Also the video centerfold. Is that channel even available now?

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Old 10-13-2015, 02:48 AM
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I read about this. Well, good for them. I admit I haven't read it in years, but for a long time, Playboy actually had a pretty good magazine in the vein of Esquire, underneath the skin rag trappings.
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Old 10-13-2015, 03:49 AM
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I read about this. Well, good for them. I admit I haven't read it in years, but for a long time, Playboy actually had a pretty good magazine in the vein of Esquire, underneath the skin rag trappings.
Yeah, I acquired a nearly complete collection of Playboy through the early 90's (sans the Monroe issues) in trade. They take up a lot of space, but I'm loathe to get rid of them, and it's not really because of the photo spreads. The writing and art is pretty great up through the 70's. After that, it's kind of hit or miss.
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Old 10-13-2015, 07:38 AM
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I never cared about Playboy except for the occasional newsworthy item, e.g., a specific starlet featured, or the Lennon interview.

But damn, now I feel so old.
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Old 10-13-2015, 07:43 AM
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So... will there be centerfolds of clothed ladies?

Will the other side of the Playboy Party Jokes Page feature the Likes and Dislikes of a stunningly-attired woman?

Will they subcontract it out to Al Jaffee for his new feature, a complement to his Mad Fold-In, the Fold-Out?
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Old 10-13-2015, 07:56 AM
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They always did try to provide quality literary content and had a fair degree of success doing so, partly because they paid lavishly. Unfortunately they've got serious competition in the respectable literary marketplace -- the New Yorker and the Atlantic, for instance. I don't think anyone can touch the New Yorker for editorial quality.
Was going to say. Meanwhile GQ and even Vanity Fair have muscled in on the "lifestlyle magazine with ocassional celebrity pin-up pictorial" side. Real current (as opposed to decades-past-their-time) celebs these days prefer to do the 50-s style "nude but showing nothing" shootings which these mags will feature, and were the original Playboy's bread and butter, but which in modern Playboy look lame.

I wonder if they'll still publish nudes in the "Special Editions", which they have discontinued and restarted before.

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Out of curiosity I looked up what was going on with Penthouse. The then-parent company filed for bankruptcy in 2003. Then in August 2013 the new parent company was delisted from Nasdaq and Penthouse filed for bankruptcy the following month. AFAIK, the magazine is still being published but is more or less on life support.
Guccione tried to take Penthouse hard-hardcore in the late 90s-early 2000's (*&^% watersports in the Pet spread!). Bob lost the company on that gamble. Larry Flynt was occupying that niche since many years earlier and doing it right (i.e. already then moving into online video content).

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You can have my nekkid wimmenz when you pry ... no, wait, that doesn't sound right.
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Old 10-13-2015, 07:56 AM
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From the OP's cite:

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This time, as the magazine seeks to compete with younger outlets like Vice, Mr. Flanders said, it sought to answer a key question: “if you take nudity out, what’s left?”
Didn't The Simpsons do an episode about what happens when Bart finds a set of Homer's old PlayDude magazines with the nude images cut out?


Yep --- "All's Fair in Oven War[/I] Episode 337 Nov. 14, 2004:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All%27s_Fair_in_Oven_War
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Old 10-13-2015, 08:27 AM
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I wonder what that means for the Playboy web site? I was a member of the Playboy Cyber Club right after it opened in the nineties. They had moderated group chats with some of the playboy models. Archives of the centerfolds. I left after less than a year.

Same thing with the Playboy channel. I had it for awhile in the late 80's. Not much original content and I got tired of the repeats. The best thing they offered was a monthly video magazine. Had a lot of sports and extreme sport content. Bungee jumping, hang gliding etc. Also the video centerfold. Is that channel even available now?
Tell me you own a smoking jacket.

Please?
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Old 10-13-2015, 09:27 AM
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I see the Playboy Cyber Club closed last year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playboy_Cyber_Club

I'm quite surprised. It had a lot of great content. Especially considering it was 1995 and everyone was on a 56k modem. But I guess most ex-members (like me) only stayed a short time before losing interest.

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Old 10-13-2015, 09:38 AM
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It can be an interesting magazine without the naked chicks, but aren't magazines going away with the rest of print media? Is there any more point to Playboy at all?
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Old 10-13-2015, 09:39 AM
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Is this a sign of the apocalypse or what?
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Old 10-13-2015, 09:52 AM
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I remember thinking that it was a sign that I was getting old when I realized that I was actually reading Playboy through, front to back, rather than flipping to the pictures. I had turned into a "for the articles" guy.

What does this all mean for the Femlin?
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Old 10-13-2015, 10:00 AM
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Eh, I only masturbate to the articles.
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Old 10-13-2015, 10:14 AM
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Old 10-13-2015, 11:58 AM
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My blood runs cold...

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Old 10-13-2015, 12:05 PM
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Good point, though, that nudes -- even high-class "artistic" nudes -- can be found in great volume, free, online.
But the thing is, you'd think that same fact would make equally obsolete all those sideboob, etc. pix a lot of sites push as clickbait.

There are some things about our brave new Internet age that I just don't understand.
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Old 10-13-2015, 12:09 PM
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I don't want to be a downer, but this has a snowball's chance in hell of working. They will be trying to compete with Esquire and other established magazines. At a time when all magazine sells are down. I see Playboy's retail sells dropping in half.

The one thing Playboy offers is very high class photography. Some of the worlds best Photographers have shot centerfolds. Playboy considers hundreds of models every year and picks 12. The best and most beautiful.

Compare that to a web site where just any girl can strip off. The photographer may be good or terrible depending on experience. Depends on the web site too. There are a few that focus on artsy figure study photography. Dramatic lighting. Still not quite the same as what Playboy does.

I hate to say it. But I see the end of this magazine coming. Ending the centerfold will just make it happen a few years earlier.

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Old 10-13-2015, 12:54 PM
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I don't want to be a downer, but this has a snowball's chance in hell of working. They will be trying to compete with Esquire and other established magazines. At a time when all magazine sells are down. I see Playboy's retail sells dropping in half.

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What, Playboy isn't "established"?

Playboy pretty much strepped into Esquire's shoes as the magazine that appealed to a young croiwd with politics, how to live well, and a racy side with sexy cartoons and female vskin. Esquire retreated from the sexy side, and Playboy appears to be trying for the same.
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Old 10-13-2015, 01:11 PM
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The one thing Playboy offers is very high class photography.
If by high-class you mean heavily photoshopped glamour shots, then you are correct.

The way I see it, regardless of the quality of writing, Playboy is primarily known for having nude pictures. So when the change happens, will they be viewed as Esquire or as Maxim?
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Old 10-13-2015, 01:28 PM
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Playboy can't avoid the central problem: it's a business based around a magazine in a time when magazines are failing. Unless Hefner and Jones figure out a way to shut off the internet, they're not going to restore Playboy to anywhere near its heights.

The best Playboy can hope to do is to cushion the fall and run things out as long as they can. And their best asset is six decades of tradition. So they should be focused on reminding people of the old Playboy rather than trying to create a new Playboy. A new Playboy is going to die at birth. An old Playboy might manage to linger for another few years.
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Old 10-13-2015, 01:28 PM
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But the thing is, you'd think that same fact would make equally obsolete all those sideboob, etc. pix a lot of sites push as clickbait.



There are some things about our brave new Internet age that I just don't understand.

But apparently the point is that it's pinup cheesecake, not full frontal, where the ad-valuable mainstream eyeballs are to which you can share and link to advertise on the mainstream social networks. And when your product is no longer "porn" (because it no longer has visible hooha in it), you can make it into the official App/Play store. Where people WILL pay and advertise.

(and in the case of magazines sell outside of shrinkwrap at the newsstand at the drugstore or 7-11, and nobody has a fit if you're reading it next seat over in the airplane.)

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Old 10-13-2015, 03:01 PM
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No more nude women in Playboy?

Yep. The perennial magazine for centerfolds is dropping nude women. LINK A move seen to bolster its readership. Maybe they will still have some bikini models.

So basically it will be at most another MAXIM or closer to other popular magazines featuring cooking, science, sports, movies, tv, tech info, politics, and occasionally an article on sex. The sex articles actually sound tame to the ones on the supermarket tabloids targeting women.

The article goes on to say that readership has dropped from the millions to just around 500,000.
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Old 10-13-2015, 03:07 PM
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Seems like a good idea. Others do the nudity better (or at least harder) but the Playboy brand still has some genuine cachet.
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So Playboy is no longer popular with teenage boys? When did this change?

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When teenage boys discovered pr0n on the intrawebs.

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Old 10-13-2015, 03:25 PM
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When teenage boys discovered pr0n on the intrawebs.
Clarification: When teenage boys discovered FREE pr0n on the intrawebs.
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Old 10-13-2015, 03:33 PM
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Still, isn't it terribly difficult to hold a monitor up with one hand?
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Old 10-13-2015, 03:34 PM
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Probably not a bad idea. Electronic media is a much more mainstream and accessible delivery for the product anyway. And let's face it, their dedicated readers probably won't much mind the change.

I haven't checked, but do they plan on keeping the nekkid wimmins in their online manifestation, or are they just giving up entirely?

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Old 10-13-2015, 04:06 PM
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I haven't checked, but do they plan on keeping the nekkid wimmins in their online manifestation, or are they just giving up entirely?
If I understood correctly from this morning's NPR feature, they've done that already.
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Old 10-13-2015, 04:35 PM
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Just as an FYI, also being discussed here.
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Old 10-13-2015, 06:03 PM
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So where is Britney going to show off her tits when she finally realizes she's no longer relevant?
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So where is Britney going to show off her tits when she finally realizes she's no longer relevant?
Super Bowl half time show.
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Playboy can't avoid the central problem: it's a business based around a magazine in a time when magazines are failing. Unless Hefner and Jones figure out a way to shut off the internet, they're not going to restore Playboy to anywhere near its heights.

The best Playboy can hope to do is to cushion the fall and run things out as long as they can. And their best asset is six decades of tradition. So they should be focused on reminding people of the old Playboy rather than trying to create a new Playboy. A new Playboy is going to die at birth. An old Playboy might manage to linger for another few years.
I think your prediction is probably correct, but it's not because "magazines are failing" because they're not all failing. I'm pretty sure the New Yorker is doing very well. But that's because they have content quality that no one else can match, and they've also innovated a unique approach to the Internet. Their Internet portal is not directly competing with the magazine, but exploits their wealth of content and contributors to create a parallel medium in its own right, with free limited access to the magazine as a bonus, and unlimited access to the entire magazine archives for subscribers.

Playboy will probably fail because the top-tier literary market is a limited one with established players, if that's what they're going for, and they don't have the culture to execute on that. OTOH if they're trying to be a general lifestyle type magazine, that's a competitive and declining area.
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Playboy is a dead brand. Pretty much a zombie company that will go bankrupt the moment Hef dies.
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Old 10-13-2015, 07:58 PM
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Et tu, Hef? The straight male Boomers of America reel from the unkindest cut. OTOH collectors just saw an uptick in the value of their hoard

Either that or he just got told how little time he has left and he's trying to summon his origins roots - serious content and wholesome pin-ups - for a swan song.



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If I understood correctly from this morning's NPR feature, they've done that already.
Yep, some time back they separated Playboy .com into its components, divested the "Cyberclub" fan site, set up PlayboyPlus as a fully paywalled "premium" site, and last year they made the main Playboy. com site fully SFW ... and more important than that, Safe For Mainstream Social Networks and their valuable shares and links and advertisers who don't want to "do porn".

According to reports traffic either tripled or quintupled and the average age demographic dropped from late 40s to early 30s. The company's stats tell them that their real profit is in lifestyle branding, including in countries where the magazine itself is banned. They were always a lifestyle magazine, now they'll try it minus the full nudity.

(The question becomes then whether PlayboyPlus and the SpecialEditions will continue to be adult-content while the flagship properties go PG13...)




In the end, for all its onetime glory as simultaneously a pioneer adult publication AND a serious-content magazine for literary fiction and current-affairs commentary, Playboy remained defined as an "adult entertainment" publisher and thus between a rock and a hard place, with many important sales channels and ad sources blocked off because it's "adult" on the side of the mainstream-content mag, while on the skin mag side online porn and the "free"/ad-supported/often stolen content model far outpaced them.


I suppose it would have been too much of a risk to the existing distribution channels, contracts, etc. to wind down Playboy-as-is (which already is a shadow of Playboy-as-we-knew-it for those of us who saw the 60s-80s era), and then launch a clean ground-up reboot, rather than switch on the march. And better it have Hef's signature on it so if it goes down badly it falls on nobody's head but the Founder.

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Old 10-13-2015, 08:09 PM
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So does this mean they are doing away with their Test Bedrooms too? Damn.
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Old 10-13-2015, 08:19 PM
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Honestly, it's all for the best. It's been many years since any of the pixels that made it to the page were actually generated from light that actually contacted the models. The amount of Photoshop and/or airbrushing involved (plus the odd tinting choices) meant that the pictures had surprisingly little erotic or artistic appeal.
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You were beaten to it.
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Well, most guys read it for the articles anyway.
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Old 10-13-2015, 09:01 PM
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Playboy to drop nudity

It's the end of an era. Playboy declares nudes are passé and will stop publishing them in the print edition of the magazine. (Apparently its website dispensed with nudes some time ago. Who knew?)

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/13/bu...yboy.html?_r=1

So now you really will be reading it for the articles.
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Old 10-13-2015, 09:02 PM
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Women actually look hotter when they have some clothes on. Like hot pants? It looks hotter when it is a normal hot pants. When it is a micro hot pants that you can see almost the entire buttocks, it actually looks... not so hot. I'm more into that alluring furtive skin exposure rather than completely freely give-away exposure.
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