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Old 10-13-2015, 08:19 PM
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Old 10-13-2015, 08:22 PM
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"Where the Hell is June...?"

*finds it*

"Yolanda, baby!"
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Old 10-13-2015, 08:30 PM
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If they turned it into a GQ or Men's Health for heterosexuals, or a Maxim or FHM for adults, they could have something. By today's standards, Playboy is already pretty tame and the photo layouts are a small part of the magazine. They could still make it as a lifestyle guide.
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Old 10-13-2015, 09:05 PM
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In other news, Larry Flint is turning Hustler into a ladies' society reading circle guide.
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Old 10-13-2015, 09:15 PM
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I never cared about Playboy except for the occasional newsworthy item, e.g., a specific starlet featured, or the Lennon interview.
On looking it up, the last Playboy I purchased was in 1993 - for the Frank Zappa interview.

But I'll admit to looking at the pretty pictures as well .
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Old 10-13-2015, 10:11 PM
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Old 10-13-2015, 10:29 PM
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Playboy is a dead brand. Pretty much a zombie company that will go bankrupt the moment Hef dies.
Not at all. From the link in the OP:

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The company now makes most of its money from licensing its ubiquitous brand and logo across the world 40 percent of that business is in China even though the magazine is not available there for bath products, fragrances, clothing, liquor and jewelry among other merchandise.
In the developing world, the brand symbolizes luxury and the high life. The logo is all over the place in Panama. It can continue to make money as long as people in the third world see the US life style as something to aspire to. That will continue to be true regardless of what happens to the magazine.
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Old 10-13-2015, 10:48 PM
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"Where the Hell is June...?"

*finds it*

"Yolanda, baby!"
"Go to sleep, Lewis or I'm telling Mom about your Playboys!"
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Old 10-13-2015, 11:02 PM
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This may never end. I blame Czarcasm's horrible thread title.
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Old 10-13-2015, 11:38 PM
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Wait, I thought a woman ran Playboy? Hugh Hefners daughter?

Well imagine now Playboy being available at doctors offices?
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Old 10-14-2015, 12:05 AM
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Well imagine now Playboy being available at doctors offices?
When I was a sperm donor in Albuquerque, the doctor gave me some porn to look at while I whacked off into the container. Can't remember if any were Playboy.
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Old 10-14-2015, 06:57 AM
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In some ways they are returning to their roots. There was very little nudity the first few years. Of course that was due to obscenity laws and prosecutions.
I still get the magazine out of force of habit but when it expires next year, I won't renew.
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Old 10-14-2015, 07:15 AM
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This may never end. I blame Czarcasm's horrible thread title.
Yeah, I looked over thread titles from the past two days and didn't see anything with "Playboy", so I thought no one had posted anything yet.
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Old 10-14-2015, 07:24 AM
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Wait, I thought a woman ran Playboy? Hugh Hefners daughter?
Christie Hefner was CEO 1988-2008, then retired.

Afterwards, Hef took the company back private in 2011.

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Old 10-14-2015, 11:56 AM
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When a guy I work with brought this story up, I thought he was on The Onion or something. It's hard to believe. I have to think I will let my subscription lapse. Letting it lapse has crossed my mind on occasion the past couple of years, and this is just the kind of thing to make me go ahead and take the plunge.
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Old 10-15-2015, 04:13 PM
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While 800,000 circulation is really quite good for a print magazine today, the big problem with Playboy is its demographics. They are really terrible in the eyes of advertisers. The readers and the "image" that Hef promotes for the mag are incompatible. And not many younger readers at that.

It's an odd thing, if Playboy's circ. drops by half or even more, but the demo improves, this could increase ads quite a bit. If they could get Golf Digest's demo, only younger, they will be printing money.

It also allows Playboy to get back on prime magazine rack space. That's needed not just for retail sales, but to lure in potential subscribers.

OTOH, converting Playboy into Not-Playboy is just plain stupid. If they want to make a Not-Playboy magazine, just start one up. It's like trying to convert Elle into a Sports Illustrated clone. Getting rid of the stuck-in-the-60s, jazz listening, flashy suit wearing mindset would help far more.
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Old 10-15-2015, 04:39 PM
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I dunno. I mean, Playboy was a big part of my youth, but when I look at the guys who are the target demographic now, they seem to think of Playboy as something their dads used to read.

For that matter, magazines themselves are kind of on the way out... hell, the only reason they still publish comics any more is to keep the brands and IP alive.
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Old 10-15-2015, 06:02 PM
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Sucks, but if you were in it for nekkid wimmins, rather than nekkid famous actresses or whoever, Penthouse was better anyway.
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Old 10-15-2015, 07:50 PM
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And now Hyatt Hotels has banned on-demand porn.

Clearly we have reached the End Days.
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Old 10-16-2015, 02:06 AM
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I'd say my peak Playboy reading days were from 1979-85 (College and just after) and even then there was a sense that the magazine probably used to be a whole lot better. I had a digital subscription more recently, the kind that let you browse all the back issues, and I don't think it ever had a magical Golden Age.
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Old 10-16-2015, 06:24 AM
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And now Hyatt Hotels has banned on-demand porn.

Clearly we have reached the End Days.
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. Hotel guests are renting fewer in-room movies because they can watch them on smartphones or laptops instead.
Sounds like a smart business move, plus it makes them look good.
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Old 10-16-2015, 06:46 AM
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Clearly we have reached the End Days.
Or rather the end days for anyone not online, at least in the USA. It's not just print mags like Playboy or PPV at the hotel, essentially every conventional-media porn outlet is reeling right now.

Even online "mainstream" commercial harcore purveyors are still having a tough time vis-a-vis piracy and free reposts, there having arisen no real porn equivalent of iTunes. Of course, HC porn home video did not have the well established system of royalty enforcement in place that mainstream music/film did so that makes it harder to create such a venue.
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Old 10-16-2015, 08:47 AM
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The online successor to Playboy exists, and is enormously popular. It's called Reddit. Reddit does not come with porn if you just visit their site. However, if you log in, sign up and swear that you are over 18 there are all sorts of porny subreddits you can add to your account which means they show up on your news feed. So you get custom-delivered porn along with the news and information that come with all the other reddits. And there are a ton of them.

While the writing does not match Playboy's for literary quality, the amount of and variety of content, and the ability to customize it to your interests makes it FAR superior to Playboy in every respect. Playboy might have great articles, but it does not have the equivalent of the Basic Income subreddit where i can easily keep track of an obscure but to me, very interesting, economic proposal.

It's sad that Playboy is dropping the naked women that made it what it is, but truth is, it's magazine model of content delivery, which has always hampered it, just can't compete with the likes of Reddit.
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Old 10-16-2015, 09:41 AM
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What was the first Playboy issue to display full nudity inside the covers and what was the first issue to display full nudity on the cover?
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Old 10-16-2015, 10:04 AM
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So there are naked women...on the internet, you say?
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Old 10-16-2015, 10:39 AM
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Sounds like a smart business move, plus it makes them look good.
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Or rather the end days for anyone not online, at least in the USA. It's not just print mags like Playboy or PPV at the hotel, essentially every conventional-media porn outlet is reeling right now.
It's the principle, dagnabbit!
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Old 10-16-2015, 01:07 PM
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It's the principle, dagnabbit!

You're lucky over there where you live. Nobody has yet figured a mobile app that substitutes for a blowjob bar.
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Old 10-16-2015, 04:06 PM
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There goes my brother-in-law's wanking material. He has every issue going back to the original, which probably has some sort of collector's value.
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Old 10-16-2015, 04:08 PM
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On the day the first non-nude issue comes out, I will be wearing one black surgical glove in mourning.
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Old 10-16-2015, 04:34 PM
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So there are naked women...on the internet, you say?
Yeah, but you have to pay to see it.
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Old 10-16-2015, 04:49 PM
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Solid business move. The Playboy brand is popular in China. Which is sort of weird as they have an official ban on porn. The flagship magazine does little to support the brand. Eliminate the nudes, and they have something like Maxim or the SI swimsuit issue. Both can be sold fairly openly.

Licensing provided half of Playboy's revenue in 2013.

http://qz.com/522672/china-not-onlin...e-photographs/

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Old 10-16-2015, 05:46 PM
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Yeah, but you have to pay to see it.
Uhhhh ... no. No, you don't!
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Old 10-16-2015, 05:48 PM
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There goes my brother-in-law's wanking material.
Yeah, but think of all the 18--22 year old females whose career options are now seriously limited.
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Old 10-16-2015, 09:17 PM
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Old 10-16-2015, 09:28 PM
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The writing and current events/edgy stuff was very good; concentrate on that and they'll eat Maxim's lunch.

Plus, think of how many starlets would Now consider being a centerfold with a snarky blown kiss and a "ha-ha".

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Clearly we have reached the End Days.
...but there will be no kinky Gabriel Byrne three-way...
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Old 10-17-2015, 12:53 AM
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To me it seems like the onward march of prudery, perhaps inevitable after years of increasingly skimpy attire becoming standard for women heightened their objectification. The opposite message has been going out to men and, to a definite extent, older women as well: you're ugly! Cover up! I've always held that this is a very unhealthy trend.

As for Playboy, it's certainly true that teenage boys can find pr0n online. But what the publishers seem to have overlooked is that those who really do value Esquire or GQ type journalism can find that online as well, and usually for far less money if not actually free.
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Old 10-17-2015, 08:09 PM
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You're lucky over there where you live. Nobody has yet figured a mobile app that substitutes for a blowjob bar.
A-men to that, brother!

But it may not be all doom and gloom. This writer sees it as a sign that porn is on the rise.

That may be, but one thing about Playboy is that it really did, and probably still does -- haven't seen one in donkeys' years despite there being a Thai version -- have good articles. And did we little kids buy, or more often steal, it for the articles? No, we obtained it for the pictures, and only then, once we reached a certain age, did we discover the stories. What child is going to get his hands on one now, just for the stories?

And keeping a secret stash of Playboys is yet another rite of passage that will disappear. Sigh, more proof I'm getting old.
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Old 10-17-2015, 10:31 PM
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If they turned it into a GQ or Men's Health for heterosexuals, or a Maxim or FHM for adults, they could have something. By today's standards, Playboy is already pretty tame and the photo layouts are a small part of the magazine. They could still make it as a lifestyle guide.
Playboy's problem is there are a couple of holes in this theory.

First, it's not like those other magazines are doing all that well either. Maxim's circulation is way down. The US edition of FHM ceased publication years ago and the British edition is hurting.

Second, it's doubtful Playboy will be able to steal any readers away from Maxim or GQ. I doubt there are all that many men reading Maxim who have stayed away from Playboy because of the nude women and will now make the jump over if they're gone. I suspect there will be a lot more readers crossing over the other way; Playboy readers will switch over to Maxim now that Playboy has given up its main distinguishing characteristic.

For the last few years, Playboy has essentially been Maxim magazine for guys who also want naked women. Without the naked women, Playboy is just an imitation Maxim. And the guys who want to read a magazine like Maxim will read Maxim.
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Old 10-17-2015, 11:00 PM
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To me it seems like the onward march of prudery, perhaps inevitable after years of increasingly skimpy attire becoming standard for women heightened their objectification.
If anything it was the opposite. Before their demise magazines like Penthouse increasingly went towards hardcore pornography to try and satisfy the tastes of those that were no longer content with simple posed nudity as wanking material. Though there probably remains a healthy market for softcore, air-brushed cheesecake shots, I suspect it is no longer the major demographic it once was. Not when hardcore pornography is readily available to the masses in the privacy of their own homes, essentially for free.
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Old 10-17-2015, 11:52 PM
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There goes my brother-in-law's wanking material. He has every issue going back to the original, which probably has some sort of collector's value.
Not if you can't open the pages.
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Old 10-18-2015, 05:07 AM
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There goes my brother-in-law's wanking material. He has every issue going back to the original, which probably has some sort of collector's value.
At my undergrad uni in Texas, I worked a student job in the campus library. They kept all the Playboys, even the new ones, in the Rare Book Room. To check anything out of there, you had to sign in and leave an ID, so it was an anti-theft measure. They too had all the Playboys back to day one, each year bound in hardcover. But I don't think they'd be worth much, because in the early days some old-lady prude librarian had taken some scissors and cut out all the naughty bits.
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Old 10-19-2015, 03:40 PM
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Yeah, I acquired a nearly complete collection of Playboy through the early 90's (sans the Monroe issues) in trade. They take up a lot of space, but I'm loathe to get rid of them, and it's not really because of the photo spreads. The writing and art is pretty great up through the 70's. After that, it's kind of hit or miss.
And how.

Sometime in the mid-late 90s, they made the decision to cut the average interview from 10,000 words to 3,000. The edits became insanely bad.
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Old 10-19-2015, 05:06 PM
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I dunno.

Playboy is synonymous in American culture with naked women. Perhaps they will be able to make it work by cutting back to artfully posed models with hands, feet, and furniture between their nipples and the camera.

But I'm also thinking of a fair number of people who really don't give a rat about anything ELSE, and will feel betrayed if this iconic publication all of a sudden goes all tame. I'm not sure what they think they have to gain, here. Can you think of a single library or church lady who will say, "Oh, well, they got rid of the naked girls, we can leave them all around the lobby and reading room NOW..."
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Old 10-19-2015, 06:46 PM
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Why else would anyone buy it?

I mean, who the hell pays money to look at pictures of naked women these days?

If Playboy wants to turn itself into GQ or Esquire, then good for it. There's certainly more money there than in printed porn.
Porn? Nudity is automatically porn. Besides, not all porn is bad anyway.
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Old 10-21-2015, 02:01 PM
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Old 10-21-2015, 02:20 PM
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Not all nudity is porn, but nudity intended to cause sexual arousal (which, let's face it, is most of it) is porn.
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Porn? Nudity is automatically porn.
Huh?
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Old 10-21-2015, 08:49 PM
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I don't care for porn, but I'll happily look at naked women 24/7!
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Dezombiefying this thread to link to an imgur post on Reddit that has images of every Playboy Playmate in Playboy's history. Archival, indeed!

NSFW of course

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The woman from the cover of the first no-nudie pics mag was on Stephen Colbert. Sarah something - has eyes that are different colors. She was in a dress she was constantly adjusting - Colbert was adroit in making it funny without coming across as skeevy.

::quick search::

Ah - here it is: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_r-JM9xNJds
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