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Old 01-28-2017, 11:24 AM
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It was Tip, the character who was born a girl but was kept in the form of a boy by Mombi, using an illegal potion. They used camera tricks when the actress was shown in the bathtub to make her appear a flat-chested boy.

If they stay true to the books, Tip will be revealed to be Ozma, Princess of Oz. Now we need to see whether she will help the Wizard now that Lady Ev has turned him down, and that

SPOILER:
it seems that
a. Dorothy, the Scarecrow (Lucas), and the Tin Man (Jack), and maybe the Lion (Eamonn?), are collectively the Beast Forever (they have a heart, a brain, and feelings) and therefore can be killed;
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b. It looks like Dorothy might be the Wizard's daughter.
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Old 01-28-2017, 12:15 PM
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Thank you, Sigmagirl.
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Old 02-12-2017, 08:31 PM
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I have a suspicion that people just aren't feeling this show.

My own appreciation has definitely flagged more that a little. I'm still enjoying this bold take on an old classic, but I'm not quite as starry-eyed about it as I was at first.

For one, the pilot was definitely a cut above the rest of the show. That happens sometimes (although, IME most of the best shows find the pilot falls short of the sophistication of the later episodes of a show that finds its groove).

The other thing is - well, personal.

I met an amazing up-and-coming writer a few years ago. She was already a recognized poet, and was moving into Speculative Fiction when I met her. Her stories were... lacking in many ways, but her imagery and description were mind-blowing. She would describe a scene as if painting with a feather - never quite connecting, but merely brushing against meaning in the most tantalizing ways.

The pilot reminded me of her writing style, and I was terribly excited to see such glancing references in this show. But as the series plodded on, I realized this aspect was more of an affectation in the pilot, and that the show itself was not so divinely clever as I was hoping it would be.

Eh. It's still fun enough.
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Old 02-12-2017, 08:40 PM
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I want to know why princess Queen Langwidere wears a mask all the time.
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Old 02-12-2017, 09:15 PM
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I want to know why princess Queen Langwidere wears a mask all the time.
I want to know why it's not on HBO, so we could get some freaky Eyes Wide Shut-style parties with people wearing masks all the time.

I think it's obvious I'm not liking this show very much. Something about it seems like it's trying way too hard.
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Old 02-12-2017, 10:53 PM
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My 12 year old daughter loves this show. I think it's her all-time favorite. That's not saying much because she doesn't watch a lot of television, but still. Maybe it helps that she's never read any of the books associated with the show. She has nothing to compare it to.

She was squicked out by the "slurpy kisses" in the latest episode though.

I enjoy it mostly because she does and it's our snuggle time.
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Old 02-13-2017, 12:34 AM
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It's not as bad as the first reviews I read made it out to be. I like it well enough. Don't love it quite.

Get on with it already! Kinda wish I waited 'til I could binge the season.

Didn't really care for Mask Queen "lubing" Tin Boy's parts that way. Their whole relationship is disturbing. Actually, everyone's relationships are a bit disturbing on this show, but theirs is a bit more icky.

Dorothy is a little dull and irritating, and I liked Lucas giving her the "they came first" line right back at her. The dog should ditch her. She's a terrible pet owner.

What would happen if Dorothy did manage to bring a witch back to Kansas? Would the magic still work?
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Old 02-15-2017, 04:33 PM
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I'm trying to figure out what he's planning to do with the gun. Oz doesn't look like the kind of place that can make a modern semi-automatic pistol, complete with modern cartridge and smokeless powder. I'd actually find it easier to believe if it was an older model revolver, but still very unlikely. Unless his plan is to go back to a black powder and ball design, which is going to be even harder to teach people how to use well.
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Old 02-16-2017, 10:29 PM
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It seems that the Wizard is very aware that Oz doesn't have the facility to make the guns and ammo. That's why he's trying to negotiate with the neighboring Kingdom of Ev to do the manufacturing.
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Old 02-17-2017, 08:22 PM
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It seems that the Wizard is very aware that Oz doesn't have the facility to make the guns and ammo. That's why he's trying to negotiate with the neighboring Kingdom of Ev to do the manufacturing.
Is there any reason to think they can pull off a modern semi-auto and cartridge, or is he hoping for something a little more low-tech?
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Old 02-21-2017, 09:26 PM
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Glinda's little school for witches needs Diana from Grimm to liven things up.
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Old 02-21-2017, 10:43 PM
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Is there any reason to think they can pull off a modern semi-auto and cartridge, or is he hoping for something a little more low-tech?
Looks like they made rifles, but a society that can make the Tin Woodsman ought to be able to make a gun. Not sure why 'til now it never occurred to them. The woman who actually fixed Jack seemed to know what the queen wanted made and refused to make it, so maybe they do know but it's a forbidden tech?
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Old 02-23-2017, 09:51 PM
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We've discussed this in exquisite detail on the show's Facebook page, and still don't know how Ev came to have the rifles. Jane said that she was no longer under contract to Ev, but we don't know if that was before or after the rifles were made or if she had anything to do with it.
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Old 02-24-2017, 09:14 PM
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OK, now we know why Langwidere wears masks all the time... squick!
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Old 02-25-2017, 12:43 PM
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Well, you've heard of someone having a porcelain complexion . . .
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Old 02-25-2017, 01:50 PM
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I was kindasorta wondering if/how they were going to reconcile with the book (in which she had a collection of brass heads instead of masks). I suppose the producers went the way they did in order to make her a more believable love interest for Jack, though why he needed one is so far a mystery.

The season(?) finale is shaping up to be the best thing since the last two episodes of The Prisoner.
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Old 03-06-2017, 01:54 PM
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Well my 12 year old daughter LOVED this show but I'm betting it doesn't get picked up. I thought it was fun too, but I was confused about the whole Langwidere thing. She was a robot but she wore a mask to disguise how she never aged? Why not just make her look like she's aging? Surely she needed maintenance sometimes. The mask thing seemed silly. The transgender issue with Tip/Ozma seemed rather silly as well. (In the book she is disguised as a boy at first but I don't think she struggled with wanting to be a boy later did she?!) But the whole thing is silly I guess. Still fun to watch.
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Old 03-06-2017, 01:57 PM
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I did not care for the finale. It made the whole season look like set-up for a second season that may never appear.
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Old 03-06-2017, 09:20 PM
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The transgender issue with Tip/Ozma seemed rather silly as well. (In the book she is disguised as a boy at first but I don't think she struggled with wanting to be a boy later did she?!) But the whole thing is silly I guess. Still fun to watch.
No, in the books (I read every one of them last year) I do not recall Ozma ever wishing or even mentioning that she was once Tip, not after the first book she appears in.
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Old 03-06-2017, 10:42 PM
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In the books Ozma was a fairy, too.

I reallly want to know a lot of stuff. I don't think the Wizard is dead. It looks to me that he got shot in the arm and was playing dead. I also still think it's possible that Frank is Dorothy's father. Also, what's the deal with Aunt Em's fingers? Is she West in disguise? Is Roquat really holding Jane prisoner, or is Glinda sending Lucas to trick Dorothy into coming back to Oz?

// obsessed //
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Old 03-07-2017, 09:28 PM
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Well, this has been a pretty terrible show. I won't be surprised if it doesn't get picked up for another season.
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