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Old 01-26-2017, 03:49 PM
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Yeah, Ethel the Frog did a song called Why Don't You Ask, where the singer is complaining "why didn't you tell me that you're jailbait?" Not sure how well that would go over today, but it was kind of just another song on an obscure album.

I also have my doubts about how Wimoweh would fare these days. Lion hunting is kind of frowned upon.
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Old 01-26-2017, 04:00 PM
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. . . You think there aren't songs with problematic lyrics today? Songs that are deliberately offense? Songs that are cluelessly offensive? Songs where the narrator of the song isn't supposed to be the same person as the performer of the song?
I don't know if there are, as I am out of touch with popular music these days. Do you have any current examples of songs about underage girls?
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Old 01-26-2017, 05:40 PM
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Anyone remember The Cure's 'Killing an Arab'?


mmm
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Old 01-26-2017, 05:50 PM
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Anyone remember The Cure's 'Killing an Arab'?


mmm
Of course! Their first single. I was going to mention it, but assumed by now it already had been. ETA: Apparently, it has not.

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Old 01-26-2017, 05:53 PM
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I Saw Her Standing There (she was just 17)

Sweet Little Sixteen
Sweet Little Rock n Roller (9 years old and sweet as she can be).
19 years old and sweet as she can be. big difference.

16 or 17 is fine if you're a 17 YO boy, you should be attracted to 17 yo girls. You should wait a bit tho....

And whats wrong with wanting to dance with a 16yo at a High school dance- if you're High schooler?

None of these, with perhaps the exception of stray cat strut have sexual meanings.
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Old 01-26-2017, 05:54 PM
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There was a wonderful little love song by Gilbert O'Sullivan called Clair, which was sweet and nice and it creeped me out even as a pre-teen. It might fly today, but it may be too darn goopy.
Supposedly, it was about his niece, who he was babysitting. But I agree, it's too darn goopy.
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Old 01-26-2017, 05:57 PM
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Load up on guns
And bring your friends
It's fun to lose
And to pretend
She's overboard
And self assured
You know I know
The dirty word


Free form lyrics that barely make sense are not going going to make the cut.
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Old 01-26-2017, 06:13 PM
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"Homecoming Queen has a gun" - after columbine, well...
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Old 01-26-2017, 06:22 PM
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Superman.
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Old 01-26-2017, 06:57 PM
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Old Folks at Home... Oh, wait...
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Old 01-26-2017, 07:03 PM
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Let me preface by saying I think it's a great song but perhaps buddha_david is alluding to Mr. Collins' not so great attempt at a Hispanic accent. Also, the lyrics do refer to his bottle of tequila and his "seester" who will do anything to help him get to the outside.
Oh I love the song to death, especially since it's so politically incorrect. But you've gotta admit it's completely cringeworthy these days. I can't imagine Collins or Genesis ever performing it again.
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Old 01-26-2017, 07:05 PM
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I had no trouble finding the lyrics to Ted Nugent's "Jailbait", and... ew, gross. I'm not gonna repeat them here.
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Old 01-26-2017, 07:10 PM
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Good Morning Little Schoolgirl, by Sonny Boy Williamson (and recorded by many others).

Good morning little school girl
Good morning little school girl
Can I go home with you?
Can I go home with you?
Tell your mother and your father
I once was a school boy, too
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Old 01-26-2017, 07:18 PM
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19 years old and sweet as she can be. big difference.
As far as I can tell, if you listen to the original, Berry says nine years old. Not nineteen.
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Old 01-26-2017, 07:44 PM
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German Euro-disco band Bad Boys Blue had an English-language song called Pretty Young Girl in the mid-80s.
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Pretty young girl of my mind
How I wish you to be mine
Girl you're no child anymore
Pretty young girl of my mind
Don't you know, know I can't hide
Can't hide my feelings
You're my girl and you're sixteen
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:08 PM
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The Police - Don't Stand so Close to me.
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:22 PM
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There were quie a few songs then what were banned within a few days of being released. One was Ebony Eyes by the Everly Brothers. By banned, I mean nearly all radio stations removed it from their play list. A few others were Transfusion by Nervous Norvus, and the original Battle of New Orleans by Jimmie Driftwood, before JOhnny Horton sanitized the lyrics and cut out most of the verses entirely.

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Old 01-26-2017, 08:25 PM
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Warren Zevon - Excitable Boy
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Old 01-26-2017, 09:02 PM
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Weren't the original words to Puttin' On the Ritz fairly obviously patronising about black people and subsequently re-written?
A lot of "Great American Songbook" songs were originally written to be performed by African-American artists, in Broadway shows or revues. Lyrics got re-written for white artists to sing; condescending terms got revised.

Without looking it up, I think the original line in "Puttin' on the Ritz" had to do with stylish, well-dressed Harlem types making the nightclub scene and whooping it up "every Thursday evening." Seems innocuous until you examine urban social history and notice that Thursday night was traditionally the maid's night off.

"Lulu's Back in Town" has an original line about how "You can tell all my pets/All my Harlem coquettes/Mister Otis regrets/That he won't be around" because, well, Lulu's back in town, and he'll be boffing her tonight, thank you very much. When Mel Torme recorded it in the 1950s, the line became "All my blondes and brunettes."

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Old 01-26-2017, 09:18 PM
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"Homecoming Queen has a gun" - after columbine, well...
Psh. I Don't Like Mondays was about a real life school massacre.
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Old 01-26-2017, 10:25 PM
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"Illegal Alien" by Genesis.
I'll see your "Illegal Alien" and raise you a "Speedy Gonzales" by Pat Boone.
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Old 01-26-2017, 10:46 PM
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A lot of "Great American Songbook" songs were originally written to be performed by African-American artists, in Broadway shows or revues. Lyrics got re-written for white artists to sing; condescending terms got revised.

Without looking it up, I think the original line in "Puttin' on the Ritz" had to do with stylish, well-dressed Harlem types making the nightclub scene and whooping it up "every Thursday evening." Seems innocuous until you examine urban social history and notice that Thursday night was traditionally the maid's night off.
You got me curious so I did look it up and while the second paragraph is right, Irving Berlin wrote the song and couldn't find a use for it for three years so it wasn't intended for anything in particular.

However, the movie Putting On the Ritz (1930) had it sung by an interracial chorus, the first in a talkie apparently.
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Old 01-26-2017, 10:52 PM
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I myself grandfather in a lot of stuff in my regular rotation that I would be appalled by if someone tried it today, including:

I could mention a bunch more, but all these are songs that I like and won't be ditching because of some element that would make me reject a new song.

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Old 01-26-2017, 11:57 PM
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Weren't the original words to Puttin' On the Ritz fairly obviously patronising about black people and subsequently re-written?
There's an uncensored version of the video on You Tube; at first, I thought it was because some of the performers were quite obviously white men in blackface, and maybe it was, but there's also a brief shot of a woman wearing a bustier that doesn't cover any of her breasts.
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Old 01-27-2017, 12:03 AM
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"Homecoming Queen has a gun" - after columbine, well...
When the song came out, about 15 years prior to Columbine, MTV refused to play it. The "Night Flight" program (remember that? Overnights on the weekend on another channel) did.

How about this?

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...on+were+a+coon

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Old 01-27-2017, 02:36 AM
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2013 Void Vision remake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_poOYfklzo
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Old 01-27-2017, 03:20 AM
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"Wives and Lovers," written by Burt Bacharach and Hal David. Here's a sample of the lyrics:

I'm warning you,
Day after day, there are girls at the office and the men will always be men,
Don't stand him up, with your hair still in curlers, you may not see him again.
Wives should always be lovers too
"Don't send him off with your hair still in curlers."
Nobody stands anybody up with their hair in curlers.
What ARE curlers, anyway?
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Old 01-27-2017, 03:37 AM
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Remember Starz? Subway Terror, Violation, Cherry Baby?
(I may be the only living Starz fan left)

Anyway ... they had a song off their Coliseum Rock album called So Young, So Bad featuring lyrics such as:

"Two more years and you'll be seventeen
But you'll be burnt out and wasted from the things you've seen"

and

"You should be home playing with your dolls
Instead of here playing with my balls."
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Old 01-27-2017, 04:49 AM
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Anyone remember The Cure's 'Killing an Arab'?


mmm
To be fair, that was controversial in its own time, and they ended up putting a sticking on the album saying it's not them endorsing killing an Arab but about the Camus novel The Stranger.
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Old 01-27-2017, 04:58 AM
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Supposedly, it was about his niece, who he was babysitting. But I agree, it's too darn goopy.
Yeah, I am willing to believe the song was intended to be entirely innocent. But it's still creepy as fuck and I remain surprised that no one said, "whoa, we're not going there" before the song was released.
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Old 01-27-2017, 04:59 AM
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One I'm shocked hasn't been mentioned yet is "My Sharona" by the Knack:

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Ooh, my little pretty one, my pretty one
When you gonna give me some time, Sharona
Ooh, you make my motor run, my motor run
Got it coming off o' the line, Sharona

Never gonna stop, give it up, such a dirty mind
I always get it up, for the touch of the younger kind
My, my, my, aye-aye, whoa!
M-m-m-my Sharona
So he's emphasizing youth here, obviously. No age is mentioned, but it seems more than iffy.

But the phrase "get it up" was pretty outrageous by itself. Why did this fly (everywhere, oh goddamn everywhere if you were alive then...) in 1979? I think people were just a bit more naive about sex then: "Oh he can't mean *that*". And there wasn't social media to let one person point out these skeevy lyrics to all his/her friends.

Oh, and the Knack's followup album was entitled, "...But the Little Girls Understand". WTF?! So this wasn't a one-off thing with this band.
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Old 01-27-2017, 05:00 AM
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I Saw Her Standing There wasn't that controversial when it was written in 1962 and is pretty much old fashioned and quaint today.

The age of sexual consent in the UK had been 16 years of age for around 80 years previously when Paul McCartney wrote the song. So even if the lyrics about dancing all night and falling in love are euphemisms for sex there is no problem. After all, the opening line makes clear she was 17...

McCartney himself was 20 when he wrote it and his then girlfriend was... 17. Back in the early 60s it was completely normal for a boy to be a few years older than his girlfriend.

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Old 01-27-2017, 05:12 AM
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Way back in 1979 Elvis Costello (as Elvis Costello and the Attractions) released his biggest UK hit Oliver's Army and there was no real issue over the line

All it takes is one itchy trigger
One more widow, one less white nigger


Thirty years after the release the BBC started censoring the word nigger.

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Old 01-27-2017, 05:19 AM
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"Wives and Lovers," written by Burt Bacharach and Hal David. Here's a sample of the lyrics:

I'm warning you,
Day after day, there are girls at the office and the men will always be men,
Don't stand him up, with your hair still in curlers, you may not see him again.
Wives should always be lovers too
Another song recorded by Jack Jones: "Girl Talk" (words and music by Bobby Troup):

...inconsequential things that men don't really care to know
Become essential things that women find so ap-pro-pos --
But that's a dame, they're all the same it's just a game they call it
Girl talk, girl talk


Shame too - great chord progression and melody.

And for a few more dBs of chauvinism, check out this video of Troup singing it in a women's changing room.

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Old 01-27-2017, 05:38 AM
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How far would Quantum Jump get with their only hit single today? The hit single The Lone Ranger which famously used (Maori masquerading as Native American)

Taumata-whaka-tangi-hanga-kuayuwo
tamate-aturi-pukaku-piki-maunga
horonuku-pokaiawhen-uaka-tana-tahu
mataku-atanganu-akawa-miki-tora


as the chorus.

On it's first release in 1976 it was initially made BBC record of the week before the BBC then banned it. Possibly because the lyrics implied Tonto was a cannibal:

Me Tonto Kimosabi
Me go and catchee baddy

Deep within Apache forest
Find him, scalp him, eat him up for breakfast

Had drug references suggesting Tonto's pipe of peace had intoxicating narcotics in it. Which Tonto shared with the Lone Ranger and also Silver the horse.

Plus also had the lyrics

Tonto know that Kimosabi
Never ever have a woman
Tonto sometime stop and wonder
What the trip with the great white brother

Maybe masked man he a poofter
Try it on with surly Tonto
Let me say to mister lawman
Tonto doesn't mind


The song having been squashed and no other song getting any interest Quantum Jump disbanded a year later but interest in the song was revived in 1979 after extensive play by (BBC DJ) Kenny Everett and it became a top 5 hit and a reassembled band appeared on top BBC pop show Top of the Pops to promote it.

But would it fly today?

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Old 01-27-2017, 07:30 AM
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"Don't send him off with your hair still in curlers."
Nobody stands anybody up with their hair in curlers.
What ARE curlers, anyway?
That's what I get for trusting lyrics websites.
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Old 01-27-2017, 08:28 AM
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What about The Police's "Every Breath You Take"? It's about a stalker, for crying out loud.

I'd like to see My Ding-A-Ling get released today:

And those of you who will not sing.
You must be playing with your own ding-a-ling.
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Old 01-27-2017, 09:05 AM
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Since the thread below this one is "What are your three favorite Guess Who songs?", I nominate "American Woman."
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Old 01-27-2017, 09:13 AM
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On the age thing, I think that there should be a distinction between songs meant to be from the perspective of the adult singer wanting the jailbait and a song written for and meant to be identified with by actual teens. For example, Neil Sedanka was just mentioned, and in his song Calendar Girl, he wasn't implying that he, Neil Sedanka, intended to go to a girl's Junior Prom but that the teen male who was supposed to be the POV character for the song intended to.
This is a good point. I was surprised to see 'Dancing Queen' listed. It's written from the perspective of the girl IMO and there's nothing to suggest she's not dancing with/ looking for 17 year old guys. That's what I always thought anyway when we sang along as teenage girls.
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Old 01-27-2017, 09:16 AM
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"Illegal Alien" by Genesis.


I've always thought 'Every breath you take' by Sting/ The Police was creepy (but still catchy!). But maybe it was supposed to be

And what about 'Thank Heaven for Little Girls' sung by Maurice Chevalier in Gigi? Actually that whole film is kind of icky.

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Old 01-27-2017, 09:22 AM
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What about The Police's "Every Breath You Take"? It's about a stalker, for crying out loud...
I assume it's intentionally ambiguous, but I thought it was more about Big Brother (the government) watching us.
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Old 01-27-2017, 09:25 AM
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To be fair, that was controversial in its own time, and they ended up putting a sticking on the album saying it's not them endorsing killing an Arab but about the Camus novel The Stranger.
This is what I what I always assumed, although I never did check into it (since it was pre-internet). Thanks!
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Old 01-27-2017, 09:44 AM
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Baby, It's Cold Outside still gets played and redone though it is seemingly about a guy trying to pressure his girl into a little post date action while she protests the entire time.
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Old 01-27-2017, 09:58 AM
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"Homecoming Queen has a gun" - after columbine, well...
Counter-point:
Pumped Up Kicks
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Old 01-27-2017, 10:00 AM
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The Police - Don't Stand so Close to me.
While the subject of this song is icky, they acknowledge the relationship is wrong in the song. I can't see any reason this song could not be made today.
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Old 01-27-2017, 10:01 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NF5XU-k2Vk

Jimmy Soul- If You Want to Be Happy. While an argument could be made for his wisdom, I doubt it would be received warmly today.
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Old 01-27-2017, 10:13 AM
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Then there are these reprehensible lyrics:

Do you remember sweet Michelle
She was my high school romance
She was fun to talk to and nice to smell
So I took her to the homecoming dance
Then I tied her to a chair and I shaved off all her hair
And I left her in the desert all alone
Well sometimes in my dreams
I can still hear the screams
Oh I wonder if she ever made it home
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Old 01-27-2017, 10:24 AM
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"Art Lover" by the Kinks is pervey as hell if you purely look at the lyrics.

But if you know Ray Davies wrote it after a bitter custody fight in which he lost his daughter, it has a different tone.
(Bolding mine) I just read the lyrics with this in mind and dang that's heartbreaking. And for people to interpret the song as pedo-y is extra heartbreaking.
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Old 01-27-2017, 11:42 AM
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Another song recorded by Jack Jones: "Girl Talk" (words and music by Bobby Troup):

...inconsequential things that men don't really care to know
Become essential things that women find so ap-pro-pos --
But that's a dame, they're all the same it's just a game they call it
Girl talk, girl talk


Shame too - great chord progression and melody.

And for a few more dBs of chauvinism, check out this video of Troup singing it in a women's changing room.
I know, right? "Girl Talk" is simply gorgeous. But god help you if a woman catches you with it on the stereo. Best to stick to instrumental versions.
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Old 01-27-2017, 11:44 AM
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(Bolding mine) I just read the lyrics with this in mind and dang that's heartbreaking. And for people to interpret the song as pedo-y is extra heartbreaking.
Ray Davies is enough of a screwball that I can picture him saying "hee hee, everyone is going to think this song is completely skeevy....BUT IT'S NOT."
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