The Straight Dope

Go Back   Straight Dope Message Board > Main > General Questions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-19-2012, 09:07 AM
MOIDALIZE MOIDALIZE is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 4,977
Just how good are spiders at catching and eating insects?

Has anyone tried to quantify this? They say to let the spiders live because they'll keep the insect population down around your home, but I often see webs that seem to me to be in useless locations for the catching of food. How do I know they're not just lazing around all day, spinning strands of web for me to run into?
Reply With Quote
Advertisements  
  #2  
Old 09-19-2012, 09:10 AM
BubbaDog BubbaDog is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: KC MO or there abouts
Posts: 3,649
Simple - if they weren't successful they would starve. They exist, therefore they nourish on something.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-19-2012, 09:38 AM
Learjeff Learjeff is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Periodically clean the cobwebs. If the spiders are healthy and eating bugs, they'll make new ones, and meanwhile you'll be eliminating the abandoned ones. Also, don't worry about killing an occasional spider. If there's food for them, more will appear!

Bottom line: when cleaning, go ahead and clean the webs, as a normal part of your routine. But no need to be crazy about it, searching out and destroying every cobweb on a daily basis.

Moderation in most things!
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-19-2012, 11:50 AM
dracoi dracoi is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Look underneath the web. You'll often find a pile of dead insects. I wouldn't be surprised if spiders averaged one kill per day in a good location, but I don't have time to look for a cite right now.

Of course, there are also spiders that hunt without webs - tarantulas, wolf spiders, jumping spiders, etc. For these spiders, webs are a way to make their home more cozy and they're not expecting to catch anything.

Last edited by dracoi; 09-19-2012 at 11:51 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-19-2012, 12:02 PM
Machine Elf Machine Elf is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Quote:
Originally Posted by BubbaDog View Post
Simple - if they weren't successful they would starve. They exist, therefore they nourish on something.
On average, every mating pair of spiders is successful at producing two offspring who survive to the age of reproduction. It does not follow that all (or even most) spiders are good at catching insects. The continued existence of many species, spiders included, depends on the production of hundreds or thousands of offspring from a single mating, with the expectation that nearly all of them will die before reproducing.

So if a female spider creates an egg sac with a 1000 eggs in it, it's entirely possible that most of them will spin webs in stupid places, e.g. in some dark corner of my basement that rarely sees insects. The existence of a spider, or a web, is not by itself an indicator that that spider is good at catching insects.

OTOH, a particular spider may have picked a good spot to live, and may have chosen to build (or rebuild) a web just before you stopped by; that would explain the existence of a web that doesn't have a pile of desiccated insect corpses below it.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-19-2012, 12:05 PM
njtt njtt is online now
Guest
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Damned lazy eight-legged layabouts, sitting around all day waiting for food to just fall into their webs!
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-19-2012, 01:55 PM
Omar Little Omar Little is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
They are clearly not part of the 47% identified by Romney.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-19-2012, 01:57 PM
purplehorseshoe purplehorseshoe is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by Machine Elf View Post
On average, every mating pair of spiders is successful at producing two offspring who survive to the age of reproduction. It does not follow that all (or even most) spiders are good at catching insects. The continued existence of many species, spiders included, depends on the production of hundreds or thousands of offspring from a single mating, with the expectation that nearly all of them will die before reproducing.

So if a female spider creates an egg sac with a 1000 eggs in it, it's entirely possible that most of them will spin webs in stupid places, e.g. in some dark corner of my basement that rarely sees insects. The existence of a spider, or a web, is not by itself an indicator that that spider is good at catching insects.

OTOH, a particular spider may have picked a good spot to live, and may have chosen to build (or rebuild) a web just before you stopped by; that would explain the existence of a web that doesn't have a pile of desiccated insect corpses below it.
Spiders are pretty close to the bottom of the food web - lots of other things eat THEM, hence the high amount of offspring.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 09-19-2012, 04:54 PM
phreesh phreesh is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Quote:
Originally Posted by njtt View Post
Damned lazy eight-legged layabouts, sitting around all day waiting for food to just fall into their webs!
Makes me wonder what spiders do all day. Ants seem to always be searching around, same with bees and beetles. I don't often see spiders running around. Are they actually mostly hanging around the ole web waiting for dinner to fly to them? Or are they doing other stuff?
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 09-19-2012, 04:58 PM
XT XT is offline
Agnatheist
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: The Great South West
Posts: 24,923
IIRC, spiders as a species have been around for over 130 million years, so pretty obviously they are successful in catching and eating SOMETHING. They outlived the dinosaurs after all.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 09-19-2012, 05:06 PM
EmilyG EmilyG is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Montreal
Posts: 1,800
I have too many spiders in my house, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of insects to feed on, yet my spiders prosper. My theory is that when they don't have bugs to eat, they make do with eating each other. (WAG)
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09-19-2012, 08:25 PM
Cugel Cugel is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Quote:
Originally Posted by phreesh View Post
Makes me wonder what spiders do all day.
Plotting.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 09-19-2012, 10:23 PM
Punoqllads Punoqllads is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Silly Cone Valley, CA
Posts: 3,010
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cugel View Post
Plotting.
Specifically, plotting how best to jump into your mouth while you're sleeping.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 09-19-2012, 10:52 PM
Colibri Colibri is offline
SD Curator of Critters
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Panama
Posts: 21,496
Quote:
Originally Posted by phreesh View Post
Makes me wonder what spiders do all day. Ants seem to always be searching around, same with bees and beetles. I don't often see spiders running around. Are they actually mostly hanging around the ole web waiting for dinner to fly to them? Or are they doing other stuff?
There are many different kinds of spiders. Some make webs and wait for insects to fly into them. But they are constantly monitoring the web for signs of vibration. If something flies into it, they have to rush out as fast as they can, bite it, and wrap it in silk before it can get out or break the web.

Some make burrows in the ground which they line with silk and equip with a trap door. If something walks by and stumbles across their tripline, they rush out and grab it.

Some spiders like wolf spiders and jumping spiders don't catch insects in webs, but instead chase them down.

Bolas spiders make a sticky ball of silk on a line which they throw at insects to snare them, and then reel them in. One of my colleagues named a new species Mastophora dizzydeani (number 8 on this list) after the baseball pitcher, because these spiders make their living by throwing a ball fast and accurately.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 09-20-2012, 12:40 PM
rjk rjk is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: At Zyada's beck and call!
Posts: 3,273
They're pretty good sometimes: Lunchtime!
__________________
Bob the Random Expert
Bon vivant by day, cheesemonger by night!
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 09-20-2012, 02:00 PM
cmkeller cmkeller is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Mar 1999
phreesh:

Quote:
Makes me wonder what spiders do all day.
They spy. Duh!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:51 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Send questions for Cecil Adams to: cecil@chicagoreader.com

Send comments about this website to: webmaster@straightdope.com

Terms of Use / Privacy Policy

Advertise on the Straight Dope!
(Your direct line to thousands of the smartest, hippest people on the planet, plus a few total dipsticks.)

Publishers - interested in subscribing to the Straight Dope?
Write to: sdsubscriptions@chicagoreader.com.

Copyright © 2013 Sun-Times Media, LLC.