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Old 09-14-2017, 12:58 AM
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Someone threatening to spread fake images/video of me performing a sex act, what to do?

Putting in IMHO because this is legal advice:

Ironic for us to have a thread like this right after Projammer started this thread, but it's real life now. I was talking to someone on a dating website today, only to find that it was a trap.

The person exists in real life, all right, and I talked to her on Skype in a video chat, but now she claims to have captured video footage of my head and face from the Skype webcam and says she could upload a fake video of me "masturbating" and send it to my family and friends and also put it on YouTube to ruin my life. (She found my Facebook page, too.)

(I, of course, did not do that (masturbate for her) - I was fully clothed in front of the webcam, just talking and typing during the Skype chat. But she has footage of my face, and could presumably splice it onto a fake naked body and make it look like me.)

Sure, I should call the police, but say what exactly? I'm not sure exactly what this person is after, although my best guess is blackmail money.

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Old 09-14-2017, 01:47 AM
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Contact the administrators of the dating website.

If she really has created a video, it will probably be obvious that it's fake, and if she really is trying to blackmail you, it's probably an empty threat (because it will probably be obvious that the video is fake).
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Old 09-14-2017, 01:53 AM
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What should you do? Laugh at her. Faking video as you describe is very difficult to do convincingly. If she did it, it will be obviously fake. Also, unless you have some weird conversations, she has video of you chatting and not whatever your "masturbation face" may be.

I mean, sure, report her to the dating site of course. But the threat itself is a joke. Besides, unless you're married or something, what's the threat: people will know that an adult masturbates? If some weirdo sent me footage of a family member masturbating, I might say "Ew" but I wouldn't hold it against the person or "ruin their life".

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Old 09-14-2017, 02:04 AM
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Document and save what you can. You need as many details as possible to document your side of things. Don't pay her, don't give her any more details. Do contact the site and report her. Make sure you understand what their procedures are for dealing with this matter, and how they will follow up with you.

You may also want to research what the laws are in your state about this type of blackmail using sexual images over the internet. Some states have laws that specifically target this (with real or faked images), but some do not. Another place to look for resources might be a sexual assault or rape crisis hotline. They are trained to handle all types of questions regarding sex crimes and harassment. They may be able to point you towards additional resources in your community that can help you address this.

Is there enough personal information in your profile for others to identify you? I'm trying to figure out if having the site close out your account would be helpful at this point.

I would urge you to be proactive and learn as much as you can, as quickly as you can. After you've gathered some more information, you can decide whether to go to the police or not. I hope that this threat turns out to be sound and fury signifying nothing.
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Old 09-14-2017, 02:35 AM
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I concur. I've heard of this scam, and it requires the actual footage. She is not going to be able to actually make anything believable looking. And everyone knows that photos can be faked.

Yes, Ellen does some awesome stuff. She uses lookalikes and such. It's not purely digital. You can see what happens when you try to make it entirely digital--even the big studios put out something that looks uncanny.

The original scam involved actually getting footage of you doing things. It was actually this guy who would get girls to do things for him. And then he used it as blackmail to get them to keep doing stuff for him. She's probably running that scam, but realized she could trick people even without going that far. Sure, some people will call her on it, but many won't.

It is a little worrying that she has your Facebook. There shouldn't be that much information about you available from a dating profile plus Skype call. I'd look into that, and try to remove that link. But she's just using that to scare you.

You didn't specify what she wants you to do, I notice. I would presume giving her money of some sort. So I think you could probably just ask her send you a copy of the video before you'll pay, and see how that goes. She won't be able to show it to you, and then you can call her bluff. But that's just me spitballing.

I do note that anything she sends to your Facebook Friends will appear in their junk mail folder, which most people don't even seem to know exists. At least, unless she's able to actually Friend them. But then who friends strangers, other than guys friending fake hot women? And, it's the latter, isn't that also embarrassing?
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Old 09-14-2017, 02:42 AM
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Tell her to publish and be damned.

BigT, I have said this time and time again, but findibg out major details about a person is something you can do with 30 mins of time and a good internet connection. If you are even slightly tech savvy, you can do a hell of a lot more. Its not worrying or surprising that the girl found "his facebook".

She could probably find much more very easily.

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Old 09-14-2017, 03:06 AM
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Sure, I should call the police, but say what exactly?
I forgot to add that you could tell the police exactly what you've said here. It's not their job to provide legal advice, but it doesn't sound unreasonable to me to state your case and see what they have to say.
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Old 09-14-2017, 03:24 AM
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Unless the video is of you yanking in the middle of a school locker-room, I'm not seeing any significant issue either way.

Surprise! Adult male views porn in the privacy of his home and masturbates to videos of a women whose job it is to make adult males masturbate in the privacy of their home!

Oh wait...that's not a surprise? Gee.
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Old 09-14-2017, 03:51 AM
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Sorry, but the OP is a little too bizarre to be believable. As others have mentioned, there is no way to convincingly fake a video like that - to do so would take an enormous amount of technical skill/experience and effort. Not to mention that even if someone did, it would in no way ruin anybody's life.

I can't help but feel the OP isn't being 100% honest about the situation. But if I'm wrong about that I apologize: taking the story at face value, I would say she's a complete weirdo and you have nothing to worry about.
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Old 09-14-2017, 04:19 AM
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Besides, unless you're married or something, what's the threat: people will know that an adult masturbates? If some weirdo sent me footage of a family member masturbating, I might say "Ew" but I wouldn't hold it against the person or "ruin their life".
This is something worth remembering. The world has changed, most people shouldn't be ashamed of perfectly respectable adult sexual practices, even if they're slightly kinky. I mean, it may be embarrassing for others to see it, but it's nothing to be ashamed about.

Some annoying places may fire you from your job over it, though they really shouldn't, and it could break up an existing relationship; but those kinds of situations tend to be on the knife edge of inevitable anyway.

We all swear, we all do sexy things to ourselves and each other, we all poop, we all dribble snot out of our noses, none of these things should shame us into submission in this day and age.
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Old 09-14-2017, 06:43 AM
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Photo's are hard to fake convincingly, Video is near impossible.
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Old 09-14-2017, 07:23 AM
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Unless the video is of you yanking in the middle of a school locker-room, I'm not seeing any significant issue either way.

Surprise! Adult male views porn in the privacy of his home and masturbates to videos of a women whose job it is to make adult males masturbate in the privacy of their home!

Oh wait...that's not a surprise? Gee.
it's like buying toilet paper. everyone does it, but no one is willing to admit they do.
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Old 09-14-2017, 08:02 AM
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Sorry, but the OP is a little too bizarre to be believable. As others have mentioned, there is no way to convincingly fake a video like that - to do so would take an enormous amount of technical skill/experience and effort. Not to mention that even if someone did, it would in no way ruin anybody's life.
Yes, anyone skilled enough to do that wouldn't need to scam people for a living--they would have no problem getting a top job in any F/X studio they wanted.
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Old 09-14-2017, 08:58 AM
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When she asks for money, tell her that your money is locked in a trust. The only way to get to it is to bribe the administrator, which is probably going to take about $3k, which you don't have right now - but if she can come up with it, you think you can bust out about $210 k.
Then, if she falls for it, the administrator is about 1-2k away from doing what you guys want. Lather, rinse, repeat.
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:11 AM
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Deactivate your facebook account so it is offline. It won't be deleted, but it will be gone from the site. You can reactivate it at a later time. Your friends won't be able to see you either.

Do you have any idea where she is really from? Not where she says she's from, but where she is really broadcasting from? Often, the scammers are in foreign countries and there's not much you can do.
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:11 AM
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Send her a bill for the performance. Then send her to collections.

I think Isosleepy is on to something, there, too.
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:26 AM
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Photo's are hard to fake convincingly, Video is near impossible.
Put it this way: If people could put together convincing video of people's heads on other people's naked bodies, we'd be waist deep in fake Taylor Swift porn videos and stuff. It wouldn't be the unique skill of one woman rolling dudes on a dating website.
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:34 AM
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The person exists in real life, all right, and I talked to her on Skype in a video chat, but now she claims to have captured video footage of my head and face from the Skype webcam and says she could upload a fake video of me "masturbating" and send it to my family and friends and also put it on YouTube to ruin my life. (She found my Facebook page, too.)
Has she actually threatened to do any of these things, or just commented on what she could do? If the latter, she might just be someone with a weird sense of what's appropriate and interesting conversation.
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:37 AM
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Maybe it's her way of flirting with you! You know, ponytail in the inkwell, spiders down the dress, teasing, threats to create fake pornographic images and distribute them to your family...
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:49 AM
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One way is you can tell every body that you know what happened. Once you told everyone there is no threat anymore.

Also collect all correspondences with her and save them.

Balls in your court then as to if you want to proceed against her, but you have effectively spaded her. She can release them, most everyone would just click the abuse button, or delete the email.
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:54 AM
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Old 09-14-2017, 10:13 AM
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Worry not. When you release a real video of yourself masturbating, the blackmailer's will be exposed as an obvious fake.
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Old 09-14-2017, 10:24 AM
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Put it this way: If people could put together convincing video of people's heads on other people's naked bodies, we'd be waist deep in fake Taylor Swift porn videos and stuff. It wouldn't be the unique skill of one woman rolling dudes on a dating website.
It doesn't have to be a good or convincing fake video. It just has to be good enough to scare a few gullible people into paying up.

Velocity - online blackmail is a real scam. It's complicated because the perpetrator might not be in your jurisdiction, because the laws governing online extortion aren't always uptodate, and also because LEOs don't always understand the reach or implications of online abuse.

I would suggest you begin by reading through the resourses at Crash Override about how to approach the police about this matter. CO is aimed more towards internet harrasment rather than blatent extortion, but they have a lot of experience in explaining social media to non-tech savy indiviuals.

Then I would suggest making back ups of absolutely everything you have, including screenshots, printouts and digital back ups, offline and online.

Next, I would suggest contacting a lawyer, and asking them to help you approach your local police department ... well, whoever handles the extortion cases. This may end up being an FBI case depending on where your blackmailer is located. But I'd start local.

You'll probably experience a lot of resistance, since online investigations are such a headache. The lawyer would help you navigate this and get the police to take you seriously.

After you, your lawyer, and the police decide how you want to proceed, then you can notify the dating site.

Finally, you should consider telling your friends and family that an online troll is gunning for you. This will help lessen the shock if the blackmailer follows through (although in reality, the blackmailer will probably move on to easier prey if you resist.) But consult with your lawyer and the documents at the online harassment resources for deciding how you want to handle things.

I'm sorry this happened to you. Good luck.

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Old 09-14-2017, 10:42 AM
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It doesn't have to be a good or convincing fake video. It just has to be good enough to scare a few gullible people into paying up.
I doubt she creates any video at all. It's like those "Final notice before IRS arrests you" phone calls. There's no realistic potential for follow-through, they just want to trick people into thinking that the threat is real.

But, in this case, the real risk of her making a fake video and sending it to people is the same as the risk of the IRS Police coming to your house in 20 minutes if you don't buy a prepaid VISA and give the number to the guy on the phone. So my point is to tell the OP to breathe easy and report it to the site (or police, etc) if that's what he wants.
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Old 09-14-2017, 11:10 AM
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Sorry, but the OP is a little too bizarre to be believable. As others have mentioned, there is no way to convincingly fake a video like that - to do so would take an enormous amount of technical skill/experience and effort. Not to mention that even if someone did, it would in no way ruin anybody's life.

I can't help but feel the OP isn't being 100% honest about the situation. But if I'm wrong about that I apologize: taking the story at face value, I would say she's a complete weirdo and you have nothing to worry about.
Let's say the OP did indeed have a mutual masturbation session but is too embarrassed to admit it.

The girl still hasn't got squat to blackmail the OP. Unless the OP happens to be a public figure.
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Old 09-14-2017, 11:18 AM
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Thanks Merneith, BigT, Sunny Daze, etc.

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Has she actually threatened to do any of these things, or just commented on what she could do? If the latter, she might just be someone with a weird sense of what's appropriate and interesting conversation.
She says that's what she will do - unless, presumably, I pay her something. I cut off communication with her before she iterated what her demands are, but presumably it's about money.

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Old 09-14-2017, 11:20 AM
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I doubt she creates any video at all. It's like those "Final notice before IRS arrests you" phone calls. There's no realistic potential for follow-through, they just want to trick people into thinking that the threat is real.
Right. I think it is just a bluff; in fact, some of her threats seemed like they were copy+pasted out of a Blackmailer's Form Letter format.
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Old 09-14-2017, 11:22 AM
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Deactivate your facebook account so it is offline. It won't be deleted, but it will be gone from the site. You can reactivate it at a later time. Your friends won't be able to see you either.
If the scammer has already harvested my family and friends from my friends list on Facebook (as she claims to have done or will do,) then deactivating my Facebook wouldn't help.


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Do you have any idea where she is really from? Not where she says she's from, but where she is really broadcasting from? Often, the scammers are in foreign countries and there's not much you can do.

Yeah, I don't know. She claims to be residing in the Texas region but yeah, who knows where she is really running her operations out of.
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Old 09-14-2017, 11:42 AM
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If the scammer has already harvested my family and friends from my friends list on Facebook (as she claims to have done or will do,) then deactivating my Facebook wouldn't help.
How much communication can she do with your friends on facebook? Unless they actually friend her, I'm not sure how she can get the video to them. I think she can send a message to your friends, but it may go into a 'Other' folder and your friend won't get a notification. And if that does happen, you can contact facebook and they can suspend her account and delete the messages she had sent.

If you don't disable facebook, go into your settings and set everything to private. In the event that she hasn't captured your info, it would hide your friends list and such from her but still allow your friends to contact you.

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Old 09-14-2017, 11:53 AM
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Actually making a fake video isn't worth the effort. She's just trying to scare you into giving her money, as Jophiel says. She's probably in India or Russia or someplace like that. Report it to the owners of the website, and to the police if you want, but apart from that, ignore it.

Don't do what I would do, which is troll the fuck out of her - ask her what she is wearing, tell her you won't pay a dime unless Lassie is included in the video, ask her if she can digitally enhance the size of your dick, stuff like that. Because that would be tasteless.

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Old 09-14-2017, 12:00 PM
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Look on the bright side ... maybe she'll photochop in some dude with a wang the size of a horse's ... then the date requests are going to be rolling in like forever ...
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Old 09-14-2017, 12:02 PM
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Demand editorial control and final say on the project. Also an executive producer credit.
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Old 09-14-2017, 12:07 PM
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Wait. What's the downside here? I'd love to have a video of myself masturbating, especially if the lighting was done professionally and there was some snazzy background music.
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Old 09-14-2017, 12:14 PM
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Sorry, but the OP is a little too bizarre to be believable. As others have mentioned, there is no way to convincingly fake a video like that - to do so would take an enormous amount of technical skill/experience and effort. Not to mention that even if someone did, it would in no way ruin anybody's life.

How is the threat being technically impossible, or at least very difficult, an argument that, therefore, no scammer would ever use this threat?

There's no way my computer has been "sending out virus warnings" to the "internet windows department", but that doesn't stop me from getting several calls a month from scammers claiming exactly that.

It's a scary-sounding warning that preys upon people who lack the technical knowledge to know it's crap. There are literally millions of people just like that out there.
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Old 09-14-2017, 12:24 PM
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Old 09-14-2017, 12:30 PM
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Wait. What's the downside here? I'd love to have a video of myself masturbating, especially if the lighting was done professionally and there was some snazzy background music.
Perhaps the video she's threatening to share is her reacting to his unexpected masturbating. The confusion, then realization and growing horror as her begging and appeals to his more virtuous nature are ignored...
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Old 09-14-2017, 12:38 PM
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I'd be more impressed with a video of HIS reaction to unexpected masturbating. "Wha--what am I doing? I didn't mean to do this!"
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Old 09-14-2017, 12:52 PM
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Wait. What's the downside here? I'd love to have a video of myself masturbating, especially if the lighting was done professionally and there was some snazzy background music.
Pro tip: It would be better if you could beat to the beat.
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Old 09-14-2017, 12:58 PM
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Let's say the OP did indeed have a mutual masturbation session but is too embarrassed to admit it.

The girl still hasn't got squat to blackmail the OP. Unless the OP happens to be a public figure.
It's possible that we are talking about someone who would be embarrassed to have their mother or niece or barber see them doing a sexual act. Or someone who is worried about such things being seen by important professional acquaintances.

You know, a normal person.
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Old 09-14-2017, 01:41 PM
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Demand editorial control and final say on the project. Also an executive producer credit.
She said her name was "Jean" not "Gene".

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Old 09-14-2017, 02:07 PM
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It's possible that we are talking about someone who would be embarrassed to have their mother or niece or barber see them doing a sexual act. Or someone who is worried about such things being seen by important professional acquaintances.

You know, a normal person.
If your friend had a disgruntled ex GF that sent you naked pics of your buddy. Would you think any less of him? Or would you be more likely to think less of the ex GF?
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Old 09-14-2017, 02:42 PM
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How is the threat being technically impossible, or at least very difficult, an argument that, therefore, no scammer would ever use this threat?

There's no way my computer has been "sending out virus warnings" to the "internet windows department", but that doesn't stop me from getting several calls a month from scammers claiming exactly that.

It's a scary-sounding warning that preys upon people who lack the technical knowledge to know it's crap. There are literally millions of people just like that out there.
Scams tend to be low-effort, shotgun-approach style. Like the calls you mention, as soon as you blow them off they can immediately move on to the next one. That way if only 0.01% of people fall for it, it's still worth the time investment.

The way OP describes the situation, it seems like this person put in a more significant time investment, since they set up this Skype session and presumably spent some time getting to know one another. That's too much time to spend on such a ridiculous scam that's not likely to work, and plus the nature of the scam is so ridiculous that it just doesn't quite ring true to me.
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Old 09-14-2017, 03:35 PM
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Any video she sends can easily be discredited. The video will be either:

1. A bad CGI video where your head is superimposed on someone else's body
2. A video where clips alternate between your video chats with her and masturbation scenes where all you see is the naughty bits.

If it's the first case, it will look so awful that no one will believe it. If it's the second case, the context should make it clear that the video is total fiction. She'll have a video where you're saying "What's the weather like where you are? *fap* *fap* *fap* We should go get dinner *fap* *fap* *fap* Do you like dogs or cats more? *fap* *fap* *fap*" Unless she really does have a full body shot of you having a good time, the video won't convince anyone.
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Old 09-14-2017, 03:51 PM
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You could just ask to see the video first and judge for yourself. That'll call her bluff.

"Before I send you the money I want to make sure it's believable. Send it to me first and I'll decide then". When she balks at that and says "What? No! The video is, like, super good! Like, totally real and stuff" You can blow her off.

Well not literally
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Old 09-14-2017, 03:54 PM
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Photo's are hard to fake convincingly, Video is near impossible.
This is the point I wanted to make.

IMO, if video Photoshop was even close to believable, we could have hardcore porn of any actress. It wouldn't be legal, but you know trekkies would pay big money for black market video featuring 7of 9 doing Picard and Worf.
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Old 09-14-2017, 06:24 PM
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In situations like this, I ask myself, "What would Keyser Soze do?"

Film yourself masturbating, then send it to everyone you know. See how well her blackmail threat works then!
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Old 09-14-2017, 06:31 PM
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Apparently these blackmailers usually target certain countries such as n the Middle East where it would be embarrassing to have a wank video published. I read an article somewhere about them getting people to jerk off and then they blackmail them.
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Old 09-14-2017, 06:41 PM
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You could just ask to see the video first and judge for yourself. That'll call her bluff.
The more you think about it, the dumber it is.

She says "Gimme money" and you say no. Then she... spends hours making a convincing video for free? Then I guess she has to show it to you first because if she just sends it to your mom she's effectively shot the hostage and isn't going to get paid anyway.

"Pay me!"
"No!"
"Pay me or I'll do hours worth of work and ask you to pay me again!"
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Old 09-14-2017, 06:44 PM
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If you were older, you might appreciate the favor this person is doing for you. When you reach a certain age, it might be helpful to be able to show "proof of performance" in order to secure that first date.
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Old 09-14-2017, 08:03 PM
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If your friend had a disgruntled ex GF that sent you naked pics of your buddy. Would you think any less of him? Or would you be more likely to think less of the ex GF?
What does that have to do with the embarrassment of my friend? People, other than everyone who posts here apparently, get embarrassed and self conscious about things like sex and nudity. It's unbelievable I know but some people don't want videos of them masterbating sent to their auntie or their kids kindergarten teacher. Hoomans are strange.
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