Republican National Convention - A Meltdown in Progress?

[nogravity]

Originally Posted by babygoat666

May I ask how Ron Paul, earning a majority of delegates in those states despite capturing a negligible share of the vote, is considered democracy?

You're trying to bring logic into the discussion and Ron Paul supporters have never been real big on that.

[Simplicio]

Originally Posted by WillFarnaby

Washington

Wikipedia has Paul with only five delegates to Romney's 37 in Washington, and says those delegates are bound on the first ballot. The article that you link to dates from April, but the State convention, where the final delegates were chosen and their votes bound, only took place at the beginning of June, so I don't see how that article can be correct.

I do not think its mathematically possible for Paul to meet the five state threshold to be nominated from the floor, even giving him Maine and LA.

[Simplicio]

Originally Posted by WillFarnaby

Nevada

According to that article, a majority of Nevada delegates are bound to vote for Romney on the first ballot.

Again, I don't think Paul has a majority in the requisite five states. He has Iowa, Maine and Minnesota and maybe LA.

[babygoat666]

Originally Posted by nogravity

You're trying to bring logic into the discussion and Ron Paul supporters have never been real big on that.

Kind of. I'm presenting facts that most people would apply logic to, in order to find out what happens with a RP supporter. I'm very curious about them, but apparently I'm not supposed to take them apart to find out how they work.

[BobLibDem]

Originally Posted by WillFarnaby

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Of course even if the Massachusetts angle doesn't pan out, Paul delegates still hold the majority in 5 states if the Maine or Louisiana delegation manage to be seated.

Very interesting. I wish your side the very best of luck in getting Paul's name placed in nomination, having Paul speak, or what the heck even having Paul get the nomination. I mean this most sincerely.

[Simplicio]

Originally Posted by babygoat666

[May I ask how Ron Paul, earning a majority of delegates in those states despite capturing a negligible share of the vote, is considered democracy?

The primaries in most of those states isn't democratic, or supposed to be democratic. The primary is just a "preference poll", the actual decision is made at caucus meetings and county and state party conventions.

The process being set up that way long predates Ron Paul.

[nogravity]

There's also going to be another Tea Party event for the folks not invited to speak at the main convention featuring Michele 'Crazy Eyes' Bachmann, Herb Cain, Judson Phillips and others on Sunday, August 26, 7 pm. Tickies are free for this event.

I would almost think about going but I'm afraid it's just going to be a real mess especially with the parking.

[BobLibDem]

Originally Posted by Simplicio

The process being set up that way long predates Ron Paul.

Oh come on, the Civil War doesn't long predate Ron Paul.

[elucidator]

Originally Posted by BobLibDem

Very interesting. I wish your side the very best of luck in getting Paul's name placed in nomination, having Paul speak, or what the heck even having Paul get the nomination. I mean this most sincerely.

I concur, as I can think of nothing so beneficial to the Republic as the nomination of Ron Paul.

[Osiris the 1st]

Originally Posted by John Mace

This flap du jour isn't going to affect the convention. Akin has offered a real apology (not just a "I'm sorry if people were offended" apology), and we'll move on to the next flap-- which might come from either the GOP or the Dems.

My reading of his "apology" is that he is apologizing for his use of the word "legitimate" not for his assertion that rape does not lead to pregnancy.

[Lamar Mundane]

Originally Posted by nogravity

That's correct. But tropical storms, especially slow moving ones can really drop the rain and seeing how we're at or close to saturation level now, it could really be a big mess.

Right now there's a depression heading towards the Lesser Antilles which should be TS Isaac by later on today. The spaghetti models are all over the place with this one.

The two most reliable forecast models show the storm on track for Western Florida.

The GFS has it hitting Cuba on Sunday morning as a large Cat 2, passing over the Keys and moving up West-Central Florida, Right over Tampa (probably as a tropical storm). The ECMWF (European Model) has it moving north just west of the Florida coast with hurricane force winds hitting Tampa, and making landfall as a major hurricane just south of Tallahassee on Friday 8/31. http://www.ecmwf.int/products/foreca...!2012082100!!/

Of course, these forecasts are so far out that landfall predictions are all but meaningless. On the other hand, these models haven't varied at all the last three days.

[Boyo Jim]

Originally Posted by Lamar Mundane

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZCov...layer_embedded

Sorry, my question wasn't clear. What I meant was a cite that Romeny has repudiated the Human Life Amendment, not endorsed it. Saying that a raped woman should be allowed an abortion is not a repudiation of the HLA, even if the two are irreconcilable with each other.

[BobLibDem]

Originally Posted by John Mace

This flap du jour isn't going to affect the convention. Akin has offered a real apology (not just a "I'm sorry if people were offended" apology), and we'll move on to the next flap-- which might come from either the GOP or the Dems.

Was that a legitimate apology or was it forcible?

[nogravity]

Originally Posted by Lamar Mundane

The two most reliable forecast models show the storm on track for Western Florida...

Of course, these forecasts are so far out that landfall predictions are all but meaningless. On the other hand, these models haven't varied at all the last three days.

Supposedly the RNC, FBI and local law enforcement have a hurricane plan put together but they haven't released the details. I'm guessing it's going to be a Cat-2 clusterfuck with the plan consisting of stop, drop and roll, duck and cover and stick your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye type of solutions.

[Boyo Jim]

Originally Posted by nogravity

Supposedly the RNC, FBI and local law enforcement have a hurricane plan put together but they haven't released the details. I'm guessing it's going to be a Cat-2 clusterfuck with the plan consisting of stop, drop and roll, duck and cover and stick your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye type of solutions.

Oh, no. The plan will be to race in with every Federal and state emergency service assistance within a thousand miles to save their precious Republican snowflakes. Those would of course be the very same services they're voting to defund for the rest of us schlubs.

[nogravity]

Originally Posted by Boyo Jim

Oh, no. The plan will be to race in with every Federal and state emergency service assistance within a thousand miles to save their precious Republican snowflakes. Those would of course be the very same services they're voting to defund for the rest of us schlubs.

Before I moved down here I would have thought that the case but after living here 12 years I would say only Romney, Ryan and perhaps Christie will get airlifted out and the rest, well it sucks to be you.

[BobLibDem]

In the unlikely event that water floods the arena, Chris Christie may be used as a floatation device.

[ShibbOleth]

Originally Posted by BobLibDem

In the unlikely event that water floods the arena, Chris Christie may be used as a floatation device.

The ad hominem attacks don't help the cause. Unless you're saying he floats because he's full of hot air.

[BobLibDem]

Originally Posted by ShibbOleth

The ad hominem attacks don't help the cause. Unless you're saying he floats because he's full of hot air.

Oh come on, a little levity never hurt anything. If we had a prominent obese Democrat I'd make the same joke.

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by BobLibDem

Was that a legitimate apology or was it forcible?

"I'm sorry! [*slap* *kick*] I said I'm sorry, bitch! [*cuff*] Accept my apology! [*smack* *pow*] Accept it! You know you want it!"

[Really Not All That Bright]

Originally Posted by Omg a Black Conservative

And why is it all right whereas the opposite (Republicans doing similar) is not?

I think you misread something. The contention is that Romney doesn't want the debate to be about social issues (and the Democrats do), not that Republicans aren't allowed to bring them up.

[babygoat666]

Originally Posted by Simplicio

The primaries in most of those states isn't democratic, or supposed to be democratic. The primary is just a "preference poll", the actual decision is made at caucus meetings and county and state party conventions.

The process being set up that way long predates Ron Paul.

I understand that. The poster I was replying to was equated challenging RP's silly delegate shenanigans with stifling democracy, and I was really hoping to hear more about that.

[Enkel]

Originally Posted by Boyo Jim

Ammunition not included.

Brooms will be checked at the door.

[Enkel]

Okay, let's say that the forecasts predict a nearly direct hit, doe anyone think fearless leader Romney would actually not show up to his own convention?
As for airlifts, I'm sure Romney will have three types of transportation at the ready to haul his butt out of there if there is any risk to him or his family. It isn't like they're suddenly going to stick around and help the common man or anything.

[WillFarnaby]

Originally Posted by babygoat666

I understand that. The poster I was replying to was equated challenging RP's silly delegate shenanigans with stifling democracy, and I was really hoping to hear more about that.

So in your mind replacing delegates elected by the people with delegates not elected by anyone is a legitimate function of democracy? Tell us more about your peculiar theories of government.

[kaylasdad99]

Originally Posted by WillFarnaby

So in your mind replacing delegates elected by the people with delegates not elected by anyone is a legitimate function of democracy? Tell us more about your peculiar theories of government.

A political party is not a government.

[WillFarnaby]

Originally Posted by Simplicio

According to that article, a majority of Nevada delegates are bound to vote for Romney on the first ballot.

Again, I don't think Paul has a majority in the requisite five states. He has Iowa, Maine and Minnesota and maybe LA.

Remember that the delegates are not bound. It's not likely that these delegates would jeopardize the party's chances on the basis of an obscure rule.

So in summary, Iowa and MN are solidly for Paul. ME and LA could be solidly Paul if they're seated. Massachusetts and Nevada could be for Paul if they break tradition. Not a likely scenario, but still possible.

[WillFarnaby]

Originally Posted by kaylasdad99

A political party is not a government.

I know you wouldn't waste your time, but for the life of me I have no idea where you're going with this, bud.

[Boyo Jim]

Originally Posted by WillFarnaby

Remember that the delegates are not bound. It's not likely that these delegates would jeopardize the party's chances on the basis of an obscure rule.

So in summary, Iowa and MN are solidly for Paul. ME and LA could be solidly Paul if they're seated. Massachusetts and Nevada could be for Paul if they break tradition. Not a likely scenario, but still possible.

Ok, but so what? Are you hoping for chaos and open conflict at the convention? If it happens, it will only increase Obama's chances of winning.

If that's what you want, I'm with you 100%.

[babygoat666]

Originally Posted by WillFarnaby

So in your mind replacing delegates elected by the people with delegates not elected by anyone is a legitimate function of democracy? Tell us more about your peculiar theories of government.

I'm not sure where you're getting that from what I wrote. I wanted to know how you thought that RP winning all these delegates where he got a miniscule percentage of the vote in the primary/caucus is democratic. It's the exact opposite. No one but a few thousand people on the internet want Ron Paul to be president.

[elucidator]

The Convention Chair then showed the crowd a couple of fish wrapped in a delegate's ballot.

"Its a Republican message. Ron Paul sleeps with the fishes...."

[WillFarnaby]

Originally Posted by babygoat666

I'm not sure where you're getting that from what I wrote. I wanted to know how you thought that RP winning all these delegates where he got a miniscule percentage of the vote in the primary/caucus is democratic. It's the exact opposite. No one but a few thousand people on the internet want Ron Paul to be president.

A democracy can only function when the rules set forth by the authority are followed. The rules in these states provided for what was basically a "straw vote". The results of that vote were to be among the criteria for selecting the delegates that would represent the state at the national convention. These rules were published and made available to the public.

Each person participating in the process had the right to cast a vote for the delegates of his or her choice. In what way was the process undemocratic?

[kaylasdad99]

Possibly he feels it's undemocratic that the straw votes were only among the criteria for apportioning delegates to the convention, rather than the criterion.

Feel free to file my prior post under "Statements That Are Accurate Without Being Germane."

[Algorithm]

Originally Posted by WillFarnaby

A democracy can only function when the rules set forth by the authority are followed. The rules in these states provided for what was basically a "straw vote". The results of that vote were to be among the criteria for selecting the delegates that would represent the state at the national convention. These rules were published and made available to the public.

Each person participating in the process had the right to cast a vote for the delegates of his or her choice. In what way was the process undemocratic?

How do you feel about faithless electors?

[Count Blucher]

Originally Posted by ShibbOleth

The ad hominem attacks don't help the cause. Unless you're saying he floats because he's full of hot air.

If they cone all of the highways out of town down to one lane, like Christie does in NJ, how will they ever get out of the path of the...

Go, Isaac, Go...!

[gamerunknown]

Those heathens aren't real citizens.

[csupp]

Irony? The GOP will tout "We Built This" at an RNC held at an arena mostly paid for with public funds.

[Patty O'Furniture]

And if that wasn't bad enough, they've now adopted Todd Akin's position on abortions as part of the national platform.

[Bookkeeper]

Originally Posted by Patty O'Furniture

And if that wasn't bad enough, they've now adopted Todd Akin's position on abortions as part of the national platform.

Originally Posted by The Republican Party

“Faithful to the ‘self-evident’ truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed,” said the draft platform language approved Tuesday, which was first reported by CNN.

Note that their commitment to the "fundamental individual right to life" ends the second the kid clears the birth canal, though.

[Damuri Ajashi]

Originally Posted by Bookkeeper

Note that their commitment to the "fundamental individual right to life" ends the second the kid clears the birth canal, though.

They don't really believe what they are saying. Ask them to choose between saving a living newborn baby and a cannister of 100 frozen embryos and they will choose the newborn baby. So they for the most part already recognize that there are gradations of life that would justify sacrificing 100 "lives" for a single life, they just aren't willing to sacrifice one of those "lives" just because it means a woman would have to carry and give birth to the child of her rapist.

Its a matter of priorities.

[RTFirefly]

Originally Posted by Count Blucher

Go, Isaac, Go...!

Hell, no! We want this clown show to play out in prime time!

If I were a multimillionaire, right now the Tampa area would be covered with "the circus is coming to town!" billboards.

[Try2B Comprehensive]

Thing about God punishing people with hurricanes I have never understood: why does the Almighty have such bad aim? Couldn't He just single out the biggest evil-doers with lightning bolts or something?

Anyway, I don't know if 'meltdown' is the right word. More like a high-profile exercise in polishing a turd.

[gamerunknown]

Originally Posted by Try2B Comprehensive

Couldn't He just single out the biggest evil-doers with lightning bolts or something?

but that'd be too unambiguous. He wants people to have faith and for clever chaps like Pat Robertson to interpret every mysterious event for us.

[Try2B Comprehensive]

Originally Posted by gamerunknown

but that'd be too unambiguous. He wants people to have faith and for clever chaps like Pat Robertson to interpret every mysterious event for us.

Well, as I understand it it is Jesus who wants faith, whereas you are supposed to know God. From my understanding of the Bible, mind, which is of course a problematic source, but what else do we cite for questions like this?*

*Mormonism may vary.