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It's a game changer, a revolution, and I love it!

You need to down load the store app, bring your own bags, charge up your smart phone, then get shopping, scanning and bagging. Need to get produce? Weigh your stuff on the digital scale, print a label. When your finished shopping just go to the self serve checkout,(I can haz as many items as I wants) scan in the QR code and bada bing! you're done! The CSR does a bag check of three items to keep you honest then you're really done! I so happy!

So convenient, but make sure you don't run out of bags.

It's also great for keeping track of spending while you shop, as you can see at a glance your balance and what's in the cart.

I bag my items as I shop, no more digging shit out the cart, lifting up heavy containers, to place on the conveyor belt. Nobody gets to scrutinize and comment on my purchases IDGAF but MYOB. It just opens up a whole new experience of shopping. Okay I'll get a life one day but still this is a glorious development IMHO!
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Old 07-10-2019, 01:22 PM
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How much am I being paid to do all this? Is there at least a little discount because they got to fire the staff that would normally do all this?
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Do all what?

You pick your items off the shelf right?

You put them in your cart right?

YOu're looking at your phone when shopping right?

Havent you spent enough time in the store by now? but if you IF you like waiting in line, then emptying your cart, then waiting for it all to get scanned and reloaded into bags by all means go wait in line.
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Old 07-10-2019, 01:35 PM
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Our local grocery store has little hand held devices you can use to do this. I almost never see anyone using them.

I tried it once and didn't like it because:

1. I keep forgetting to scan items. It turns me into a thief.
2. Now I have to bag my own groceries
3. I keep forgetting to scan items.
4. I now have to weigh and tag my own produce.
5. I keep forgetting to scan items.
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Do all what?

You pick your items off the shelf right?

You put them in your cart right?

YOu're looking at your phone when shopping right?

Havent you spent enough time in the store by now? but if you IF you like waiting in line, then emptying your cart, then waiting for it all to get scanned and reloaded into bags by all means go wait in line.
People keep their jobs.
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Old 07-10-2019, 01:45 PM
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If they provided bags that I could grab on the way in, I would do this.

You can also get 3 pounds of fruit for the price of 2 pounds simply by lifting the scale a little when weighing
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nope Not gonna stand in line if I donít have to. should I be concerned about the cashiers job security?
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nope Not gonna stand in line if I donít have to. should I be concerned about the cashiers job security?
Of course not. Just like nobody will give a shit when you're replaced at your job.
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I haven't encountered this yet, but at least two of the points are daily life around here.

* You bring in enough bags, or you end up with two options - buy bags or just carry stuff out loose. AFAIK, the price of bags is going up to 25 cents each state-wide soon. I've got about a dozen cloth bags so there's usually a decent chance that there's some in the car.

* Bag your stuff, or wait longer at the checkout because the store doesn't have enough "courtesy clerks" aka baggers. More often than not, the checker becomes the bagger and most of them don't know not to put watermelons on top of eggs or ant spray with bread. Go to the cheap places and there are no baggers at all.

Wherever chela is shopping, they've just enhanced the self-serve checkout process. I'm curious how much mayhem ensues with kids dropping stuff in the cart or sneaking stuff out and you don't notice until you're home and realize the bottle of cinnamon you scanned and paid for didn't come home with you.
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nope Not gonna stand in line if I donít have to. should I be concerned about the cashiers job security?
Should you be concerned that the money they would have been paid is going straight to the owners? Should you be concerned that people out of a job will get their subsistence(at least partially) from the government(that would be your tax dollars). Thank you for supporting a lose/lose/win scenario.
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If they provided bags that I could grab on the way in, I would do this.

You can also get 3 pounds of fruit for the price of 2 pounds simply by lifting the scale a little when weighing
I've found that it's trivial to develop a habit of bringing bags from home when going shopping. Much of America is headed that way as well.

As for the OP, that system sounds great and I would do that every time. It's much better than waiting in line, then waiting for the cashier, then the bagging. The system you've described is so much more efficient.

I don't care that someone used to get paid for it and now I'm doing it. The "luxury" of having someone scan my groceries for me does not outweigh the inconvenience of waiting in line for a register to open. Especially on a busy day.

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And that's just the silliest argument of all. Is that really something you base your decisions on? Like when you decide if you're going to take advantage of a company's new, efficient and time-saving technology? Your concern is that someone is losing his/her job?
Do you not even consider the fact that the company making those scanners employees plenty of people as well. Those jobs didn't exist before this self-scan system was implemented. You're helping to create those jobs. If people like you refuse to use the system, then that company will go out of business and all those people will lose their jobs at the Self-Scan Manufacturing, Inc.
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Should you be concerned that the money they would have been paid is going straight to the owners? Should you be concerned that people out of a job will get their subsistence(at least partially) from the government(that would be your tax dollars). Thank you for supporting a lose/lose/win scenario.
So ironic that you post that statement from a computer. How many hundreds of thousands of people have been put out of a job because their clerical or computational type job was replaced with a machine? What about cell phones? What about touch-tone dialing putting all those operators out of business?
Jobs change. The demand for cashiers is decreasing. So what?
Plus, the company making these scanners has their own employees. Positions that didn't exist before the company started up.
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Old 07-10-2019, 02:23 PM
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I've found that it's trivial to develop a habit of bringing bags from home when going shopping. Much of America is headed that way as well.
And I've found that it's easier to use the bags provided by the store. I'm not bringing 100 plastic bags from my house TO a store.
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Should you be concerned that the money they would have been paid is going straight to the owners?
The scanner system was not free. I'd suspect much of the money that was going to pay the employee is now going to the scanner company. Sure, the store will make more money--but not just because they have fewer cashiers. They're going to make more money because more people will shop there once they realize how convenient it is. So many new people might shop there that the store will need to hire more stockers to keep up with the inventory. And then will have to order more inventory from other companies that might need to hire more people to keep up with demand. It's silly to look at all of this as a closed system consisting only of you, the cashier and the evil owners. There are so many other factors, and millions of other jobs out there. The unemployment rate is actually quite good right now, despite all the evil corporations implementing all this time-saving technology for the customers' convenience. Strange.
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So ironic that you post that statement from a computer. How many hundreds of thousands of people have been put out of a job because their clerical or computational type job was replaced with a machine? What about cell phones? What about touch-tone dialing putting all those operators out of business?
Jobs change. The demand for cashiers is decreasing. So what?
Plus, the company making these scanners has their own employees. Positions that didn't exist before the company started up.
Are the scanner employees doing a job equal to running a cash register? Or are those jobs also automated? Are the scanners even built in this country?
How about towns with no scanner manufacturer yet cashiers are out of work?

The big problem is that jobs at the lowest level are being automated out of existence with nothing to take their place. Where do those people go? You have to realize that not everyone has the skills to move to a more technical job.

There will be a continued supply of unskilled workers (because that's how distribution of talent and education works) and no jobs for them like there used to be.
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Meijer is the store. I believe theyíre a good corporate citizen of the triple bottom line.

Ntl innovate or get left behind.

Cashiers have long used carousels to bag groceries. They still need guys for cart returns.

D&W has bag boys who push out your cart and loads yer car for ďfreeĒ.

Ya really think avoiding technology is going save cashier jobs?🙄
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And I've found that it's easier to use the bags provided by the store. I'm not bringing 100 plastic bags from my house TO a store.
Plastic bags? The whole point, of course, is to stop using plastic bags. Two regular sized, reusable grocery bags will hold at least what 20-30 plastic bags will. If you really needed 100 plastic bags, then I guess you'd have to bring like 5 of them.
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Plastic bags? The whole point, of course, is to stop using plastic bags. Two regular sized, reusable grocery bags will hold at least what 20-30 plastic bags will. If you really needed 100 plastic bags, then I guess you'd have to bring like 5 of them.
That's the point? I thought the point was to eliminate store workers.

What size are "regular sized, reusable grocery bags" that will hold what 20-30 plastic bags will? I usually have a cart full of food, and it fits into 15-20 plastic bags. A whole cart full of food will fit into 2 regular sized, reusable grocery bags that can be carried?
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That's the point? I thought the point was to eliminate store workers.
Really? You really think the point of places like California banning plastic bags is because they want to get rid of store workers? You think the reason all of Europe uses reusable bags instead of those tiny plastic bags is because they want to get rid of store workers? Has nothing to do with the environment? Okay.

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What size are "regular sized, reusable grocery bags" that will hold what 20-30 plastic bags will? I usually have a cart full of food, and it fits into 15-20 plastic bags. A whole cart full of food will fit into 2 regular sized, reusable grocery bags that can be carried?
Yes. When I shop at the commissary, they still use plastic bags. My cart easily fills up a dozen or more plastic bags. When I shop on the German economy using a reusable bag (the kinds of bags made for this purpose), I can fit the same amount of stuff in a single bag.
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Really? You really think the point of places like California banning plastic bags is because they want to get rid of store workers? You think the reason all of Europe uses reusable bags instead of those tiny plastic bags is because they want to get rid of store workers? Has nothing to do with the environment? Okay.
No, I thought the point of places like this thread is talking about is to eliminate workers in stores. I wasn't aware this thread was about California banning plastic bags.

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Yes. When I shop at the commissary, they still use plastic bags. My cart easily fills up a dozen or more plastic bags. When I shop on the German economy using a reusable bag (the kinds of bags made for this purpose), I can fit the same amount of stuff in a single bag.
Ok. Still not sure how you can carry around one bag that weighs 100 pounds, but you be you I guess. Tell you what, go buy 12 gallons of milk (that takes up 12 plastic bags), and see if you can fit all 12 gallons of milk into one reusable bag. If so, I will concede that you are correct, and the master of grocery store bagging theory.
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So convenient, but make sure you don't run out of bags.
I am certain that Meijers is willing to sell you more bags. Get another reusable bag, scan the price tag, and start loading - as long as you pay for it you're good.

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Nobody gets to scrutinize and comment on my purchases IDGAF but MYOB.
Speaking as a part-time cashier, IDGAF about your purchases, either - I've seen everything the store sells, no combination of those items will surprise me.

If I notice, say, one of your strawberries or zucchinis has a bad spot I will mention it to you/bring it to your attention, but other than something like that really, no, I'm not going to comment.

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Havent you spent enough time in the store by now? but if you IF you like waiting in line, then emptying your cart, then waiting for it all to get scanned and reloaded into bags by all means go wait in line.
BTW - don't know your exact location, but most Meijers also have a shopping app that let's you order from home and someone else will go to the store and do all the work for you, bringing it to your home (or other designated location) which would save you even more time. If you're interested.

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nope Not gonna stand in line if I donít have to. should I be concerned about the cashiers job security?
Well.. I dunno, you OK with people being on food stamps? Sure, some out of work folks displaced will find new jobs but not all will, and those folks will wind up on various government aid programs. If you're OK with that, sure, don't be concerned. Otherwise... well, I'm not saying don't do this, but you might think about the long-term consequences of your choices.

It's sort of like choosing to use either reusable or disposable shopping bags. You don't have to give a shit about all the plastic piling up, but a lot of people seem to these days.

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Of course not. Just like nobody will give a shit when you're replaced at your job.
^ Oh, and this - we're all replaceable, in the end.

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Meijer is the store. I believe theyíre a good corporate citizen of the triple bottom line.
"Good corporate citizen" is not the same as "your friend". Meijers has cut back on the number of employees per store over the past couple decades due to automation. This has, in turn, been balanced by increasing numbers of stores in their chain, but other chains have completely gone out of business so I'm not sure about the overall number of cashiers... it could be going down.

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Well, at the store I work in they took about a half dozen self-serve machines because the customers wanted more lines with people. We still have self-serve, just not as many. Some people can't mange to use the self-serve machines, particularly those with certain types of disabilities. Of course, that's why there is an attendant there, to help people.

So there is a demand for service with real humans, regardless of technology. And a smart company will find a way to accommodate that. However, not all companies are smart.

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What size are "regular sized, reusable grocery bags" that will hold what 20-30 plastic bags will? I usually have a cart full of food, and it fits into 15-20 plastic bags. A whole cart full of food will fit into 2 regular sized, reusable grocery bags that can be carried?
Again, speaking as a cashier who does a lot of bagging...
  • On average one paper bag replaces 2-3 plastic bags
  • The Meijers/Whole Foods size reusable bag replaces 2-4 plastic bags
  • Marianos, among others, sells "bag" that's more of a fold-up box that typically replaces 3-6 plastic bags
  • Aldi's has really big reusable bag that's worth about 6 plastic bags (or more) but I usually load them with lighter stuff like bread or chips because if you use heavier stuff people start having trouble lifting them unless they're 20-something guys or clearly body/builder or work-out types.

Another advantage is that you can get "freezer" or thermal totes in all of the above sizes, which are insulated and keep your cold stuff cold and blazing hot summer days, or conversely, if you bought something hot at the deli, your hot stuff hot.
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Ok. Still not sure how you can carry around one bag that weighs 100 pounds, but you be you I guess. Tell you what, go buy 12 gallons of milk (that takes up 12 plastic bags), and see if you can fit all 12 gallons of milk into one reusable bag. If so, I will concede that you are correct, and the master of grocery store bagging theory.
A reusable bag that holds two gallons will weigh about 16 pounds That would put your 12 gallons in 6 bags.

A reusable bag that hold four gallons will weight about 32 pounds. I don't recommend larger numbers in a single bag. That puts your 12 gallons in 3 bags.
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  • On average one paper bag replaces 2-3 plastic bags
  • The Meijers/Whole Foods size reusable bag replaces 2-4 plastic bags
  • Marianos, among others, sells "bag" that's more of a fold-up box that typically replaces 3-6 plastic bags
  • Aldi's has really big reusable bag that's worth about 6 plastic bags (or more) but I usually load them with lighter stuff like bread or chips because if you use heavier stuff people start having trouble lifting them unless they're 20-something guys or clearly body/builder or work-out types.
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A reusable bag that holds two gallons will weigh about 16 pounds That would put your 12 gallons in 6 bags.

A reusable bag that hold four gallons will weight about 32 pounds. I don't recommend larger numbers in a single bag. That puts your 12 gallons in 3 bags.
Yes, these are sensible comparisons between plastic bags and reusable bags.

One reusable bag replacing 12 plastic bags is not. 2 reusable bags holding a cart full of food is not.

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Yeah, how much you wanna bet the OP uses an alarm clock too, instead of a knocker-up.

I saw someone going down the road in one of them auto-mobeeles too. The menaces are becoming so common. My cousin, the farrier, says his clientele is down some percentage (He doesn't know the exact figures because all the abaci got knocked over and reset) because of them.
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No, I thought the point of places like this thread is talking about is to eliminate workers in stores. I wasn't aware this thread was about California banning plastic bags.
Here, I'll walk you through it. I'm not holding your hand though.
You said you didn't want to bring bags from home.
So I said that it's actually not that big of a deal, and you will easily get used to bringing bags from home. It's common practice in Europe, and is growing in popularity in the states as more communities start banning plastic bags, or charging for their use.
Then you said that you think bringing 100 plastic bags from home could never be convenient.
So I said that the whole point of bringing bags from home is to stop using those tiny plastic bags. And then pointed out that with the reusable shopping bags, you can actually hold a ton more stuff in them, so you don't need many.
Then you forgot that we were talking about grocery bags at all and thought we discussing scanners.
So, to be clear, I'm not advocating that you actually bring your own scanner to the store. But, I am saying that if you had to bring your own bag, it won't be as bad as you think. You'd get used to it pretty quick. Just make sure you're bringing 2-3 proper reusable grocery bags, and not those flimsy one-time-use plastic ones.


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Ok. Still not sure how you can carry around one bag that weighs 100 pounds, but you be you I guess.
Maybe more like 2 bags weighing 40 pounds, but that's no difference than a person who puts all 100 plastic grocery bags on their arm because "no way am I making a second trip"!! You're right that putting too much in the bag will make it heavy. Unlike those plastic bags, these bags wont rip open. The bags can take the weight. And while it is too heavy for my wife to carry when it is that full, and you might have to struggle, but I don't find it that difficult.

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Tell you what, go buy 12 gallons of milk (that takes up 12 plastic bags), and see if you can fit all 12 gallons of milk into one reusable bag.
Buddy, does this seriously make sense to you!?!? You're saying that all of those jugs in a single bag is too much. So you have to carry them one at a time. So you put them each in their own bag. But the gallon of milk has a handle! Why are you putting it in a bag at all? You don't need a bag to carry something with a handle. The only time a bag becomes convenient for a gallon of milk is if you put more than one in the bag. The number of milks you can carry in a reusable bag is the same number of single bags with 1 gallon each that you can carry. Your argument makes no sense at all.

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Just concede that you don't carry 12 gallons of milk into the house in one trip. And that if you [i]could/i] carry all 12 gallons, each in its own individual plastic bag despite having a handle, then you could also carry them all in one trip by placing them six each in a reusable grocery bag. So, it's still one trip.
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YOu're looking at your phone when shopping right?
No. I'm not. And nobody else should be either. They should be paying attention to their surroundings and stop getting in people's way because they are oblivious to what's going on around them.
Now put your f'ing phone down and look where you're going.
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Yeah, I scan my own stuff at Sam's and save lots of time. Maybe it allows them to charge less?
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Just concede that you don't carry 12 gallons of milk into the house in one trip. And that if you [i]could/i] carry all 12 gallons, each in its own individual plastic bag despite having a handle, then you could also carry them all in one trip by placing them six each in a reusable grocery bag. So, it's still one trip.
Of course not. Who would carry 12 gallons of milk in one trip? I also put them in a bag, even though they have a handle. Because it's easier to carry other stuff in the same hand as a plastic bag, and it's not so easy when that hand is holding a gallon of milk by the built-in handle.

Your reusable grocery bag holds 6 gallons of milk? Big bag. But, I'm also not carrying a bag holding 48 pounds of milk from my car to my second story kitchen.

So, I'll stick with 1 gallon of milk in 1 plastic bag. Then I can decide what weight increments I would like to carry into my house.

I don't grocery shop enough to force "Take my own bags to the grocery store" into my conscious thought. I've only been NOT doing that for 40 years. But to be fair, the bags at my local store and the commissary are free. I might change my mind if they started charging 5 cents for them, but I doubt it. Maybe $1 a bag might force me to do it.
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Inversely, regarding the stores that allow you to shop from home on the internet, then you get to the store and someone is waiting curbside with all your items picked and bagged, for free- how? That *adds* employees to the store payroll (doing the picking of the items the shopper usually does), but doesn't increase the price any? And why are stores encouraging people to NOT come inside to shop? Aren't impulse purchases a decent portion of total sales?

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Yes, these are sensible comparisons between plastic bags and reusable bags.

One reusable bag replacing 12 plastic bags is not. 2 reusable bags holding a cart full of food is not.
Or just use the handle that's on the milk. There are also handles on other heavy liquids, a case of beer or a case of soda. You don't need bags for those at all. Then you have the bagger that places 2-3 packages of meat in a single plastic bag. And that's how you end up with 100 bags. And if anyone tried to put more into one of those tiny, weak bags, even if it's still only a couple pounds, the bags rip at the handles. I've easily filled up a cartful of food into a single Aldi's bag. That's personal experience not Broomstick's "recommendations". If it doesn't need to go in the bag--like a case of Coke--then it gets carried using the handle that it comes with. I don't buy milk, but I think if I ever needed to buy 12 gallons--jesus that's a lot of milk, you must own a million cats--if I ever needed to buy that many, I would just carry them into the house four at a time, two in each hand using the handles they came with. If I had 6 gallons, I'd probably try for all 6 so that I don't have to make another trip. How many are you carrying in one trip using those plastic bags, anyway?
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I don't grocery shop enough to force "Take my own bags to the grocery store" into my conscious thought. I've only been NOT doing that for 40 years. But to be fair, the bags at my local store and the commissary are free. I might change my mind if they started charging 5 cents for them, but I doubt it. Maybe $1 a bag might force me to do it.
I get it. I'm just saying it's not that bad. When the day comes, you'll be fine. I thought bringing bags from home was just something that environmentalists, vegans, and Californians do. Seemed to me like it would be a bit of an inconvenience. I've found that it's not. And the reusable bags are far superior than the plastic ones. It only takes having a half-filled plastic bag rip open as I'm walking up the stairs to every now and then remind me how much better my Aldi bag is. It's to the point now where, even if my wife shopped at the commissary and has a trunk full of plastic grocery bags, I walk out to the car with my Aldi bag and put all of the grocery-filled plastic bags into that one bag to carry into the house.
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Or just use the handle that's on the milk. There are also handles on other heavy liquids, a case of beer or a case of soda. You don't need bags for those at all. Then you have the bagger that places 2-3 packages of meat in a single plastic bag. And that's how you end up with 100 bags. And if anyone tried to put more into one of those tiny, weak bags, even if it's still only a couple pounds, the bags rip at the handles. I've easily filled up a cartful of food into a single Aldi's bag. That's personal experience not Broomstick's "recommendations". If it doesn't need to go in the bag--like a case of Coke--then it gets carried using the handle that it comes with. I don't buy milk, but I think if I ever needed to buy 12 gallons--jesus that's a lot of milk, you must own a million cats--if I ever needed to buy that many, I would just carry them into the house four at a time, two in each hand using the handles they came with. If I had 6 gallons, I'd probably try for all 6 so that I don't have to make another trip. How many are you carrying in one trip using those plastic bags, anyway?
I've never said I carry them in one trip. And I am extrapolating the quantities of milk based on plastic bag replacement by equivalent reusable bags. Plus I wouldn't carry two gallons of milk in one hand. I'd just make two trips. My point being, if you replace 6 plastic bags that each hold 1 gallon of milk with one reusable bag that holds 6 gallons of milk, you are sort of forced into one trip. One trip where you are lugging 48 pounds of milk. I'm not doing that. I wouldn't do that. So, individual bags for me. A reusable bag wouldn't help me, because I'm not carrying all that weight in one trip.

Plus, we seem to be using different definitions of "cartful of groceries"

Here's what I mean. You can fit all that into one Aldi's bag? And carry that bag in one trip into your house? If so, good for you, but I'm not struggling with that.

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It's to the point now where, even if my wife shopped at the commissary and has a trunk full of plastic grocery bags, I walk out to the car with my Aldi bag and put all of the grocery-filled plastic bags into that one bag to carry into the house.
LOL, nice.
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Yes, these are sensible comparisons between plastic bags and reusable bags.

One reusable bag replacing 12 plastic bags is not. 2 reusable bags holding a cart full of food is not.
I actually HAVE seem people using bags that large, believe it or not. It's just really rare.
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My point being, if you replace 6 plastic bags that each hold 1 gallon of milk with one reusable bag that holds 6 gallons of milk, you are sort of forced into one trip.
My point--though I probably didn't make it well--was that I wouldn't put the milk in the bag at all. So right away, I've eliminated 6 bags, and still have a completely empty reusable bag. Case of soda? 6 pack of beer? Both have handles. Neither goes in the bag.

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One trip where you are lugging 48 pounds of milk. I'm not doing that. I wouldn't do that. So, individual bags for me. A reusable bag wouldn't help me, because I'm not carrying all that weight in one trip.
My god do you really buy that much milk?

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Yes, it's not just about weight or volume either. Packaging has much to do with it as well.

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Here's what I mean. You can fit all that into one Aldi's bag? And carry that bag in one trip into your house? If so, good for you, but I'm not struggling with that.
If I ended up with a cart like that at a local store, it would probably go straight back into the cart just like that as it scanned. Because the local stores--the ones that don't have plastic bags--don't have baggers either. You have to pack your own shit into your own bag as the cashier rings it up. So if I had that much stuff, I'd just toss it back in the cart just like that. Then I'd unload it all into the trunk. Not bagged; just unloaded straight into the trunk. Once I got home, I'd make multiple trips into the house (2, maybe 3), but I'd use the same Aldi bag each time. I'd load as much into the bag, carry it to the kitchen, then go back for another load. That's probably how it'd go down. I do have more than one bag. But I probably wouldn't even bother. I think I'd just use the one bag.

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Inversely, regarding the stores that allow you to shop from home on the internet, then you get to the store and someone is waiting curbside with all your items picked and bagged, for free- how? That *adds* employees to the store payroll (doing the picking of the items the shopper usually does), but doesn't increase the price any? And why are stores encouraging people to NOT come inside to shop? Aren't impulse purchases a decent portion of total sales?
There actually is a service charge added for that service. Depending on who you're dealing with, that might be a flat fee per delivery (either to curbside or to home), based on the overall price, or a slight increase in the price of everything. Rest assured, everyone involved is getting a paycheck.

My store does not use store employees for this - we outsource to another company that is sort of like Uber for groceries and their shoppers go to several different store chains to fill orders.

While we do not get the impulse purchases anymore (nor can we sell alcohol, ammunition, or a number of items through this service) the service does appeal to some people and we get their business on a regular basis. Also have a couple of businesses that make purchases in this manner (one large daycare center has an regular order that starts with 30 gallons of milk and goes on from there - that order it usually filled by a team and not just one person) so we get their business on large orders.

It apparently works out.

Another thing to consider: the pro-shoppers are NOT bringing 2-5 kids with them, spouses, or other warm bodies so there are fewer folks in the store generating wear and tear, and the pro-shoppers are VERY efficient, often managing multiple orders at once and some very large orders. So one of these people can do the shopping of several regular customers in the same amount of time. They also need less help in finding stuff - in fact, sometimes our employees ask them where stuff is. (One of our employees might work mostly in one corner of this mammoth place - the pro-shoppers cover the whole store so they often will have a better general knowledge of where stuff is). Selling via them is more efficient regarding our time than regular folks are (but regular folks please do keep coming in!)
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There actually is a service charge added for that service. Depending on who you're dealing with, that might be a flat fee per delivery (either to curbside or to home), based on the overall price, or a slight increase in the price of everything. Rest assured, everyone involved is getting a paycheck.

It apparently works out.
Good info- thanks!

And the fee explains why the parking spaces reserved for this are always empty at my local store!

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I've easily filled up a cartful of food into a single Aldi's bag. That's personal experience not Broomstick's "recommendations".
If you're strong and healthy more power to you, and if a customer wants me to get everything into one bag I'll do my best, but I have to accommodate the weak, frail, sickly, elderly, the people with bad backs and/or shoulders...

If someone gives me a monster-size Aldi bag I'll ask if I have to worry about weight or not, then go with what the customer says.
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No. I'm not. And nobody else should be either. They should be paying attention to their surroundings and stop getting in people's way because they are oblivious to what's going on around them.
Now put your f'ing phone down and look where you're going.
Who says I ainít?

Btw I stop my roll when I utilize the phone. Scuse me pardon me 1000 apologies for staying in my lane youíre free to pass thank you have a nice day
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Yeah, I scan my own stuff at Sam's and save lots of time. Maybe it allows them to charge less?
But do they? I'm willing to bet that the money they would pay employees goes right to the bottom line. Do you get a discount for using self-checkout? You don't at any grocery store that I've ever shopped in.
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No, I am not looking at my phone when I am shopping. It stays in the car for when and if I need it, and I don't need to rely upon it for everything. It is a tool I sometimes use, not my master that I must have. But that is the trend we are moving toward.

Self check-outs are still way too stupid for me to use. Got produce? Look up the item number. Got beer? Wait until someone comes over and unlocks the terminal. Does your app do away with the age ID issue? I didn't think so.

If the only lane open is the 15 items or less line then I will happily plug it up with my 45 items while you wait. Your time is not that important, no matter who you are or what you do, it just isn't. You can wait.

Why not just order your food over the phone and have it delivered? Because then you do not get to pick it out or consider and chose, someone else does, and they are not trying to get you the best. They will give you the best deal for the store, always. I just ordered some lumber to rebuild my deck. Comes delivered for only a few dollars more. Wonderful? Except that the crappy pieces were on the bottom of the stack, knots, warped boards, previously rejected wood that has been relabeled so many times that it is full of pricing staples.

Every handy app eliminates more jobs. People cry to raise the minimum wage to a livable rate. Why? There still needs to be an actual job there. You know, so you can get that livable wage.

I wonder and worry a little bit about what would happen if the internet and smart phones ceased working for even a few days. Mass casualties and deaths probably.

People who have downloaded the Farm app will still be ok.
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Good info- thanks!

And the fee explains why the parking spaces reserved for this are always empty at my local store!
They're empty because you're only going to be parked there for a few minutes while your order gets brought out.

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It stays in the car for when and if I need it
These good for nothing kids and their cars. What, a horse and buggy isn't good enough for you?
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If I ended up with a cart like that at a local store, it would probably go straight back into the cart just like that as it scanned. Because the local stores--the ones that don't have plastic bags--don't have baggers either. You have to pack your own shit into your own bag as the cashier rings it up. So if I had that much stuff, I'd just toss it back in the cart just like that. Then I'd unload it all into the trunk. Not bagged; just unloaded straight into the trunk. Once I got home, I'd make multiple trips into the house (2, maybe 3), but I'd use the same Aldi bag each time. I'd load as much into the bag, carry it to the kitchen, then go back for another load. That's probably how it'd go down. I do have more than one bag. But I probably wouldn't even bother. I think I'd just use the one bag.
Fair enough. I think only shopping at the Commissary or local to Southern Maryland stores that both bag the stuff for you in plastic bags may have skewed my opinion.
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Btw I stop my roll when I utilize the phone. Scuse me pardon me 1000 apologies for staying in my lane youíre free to pass thank you have a nice day
Sure, but why do you always have to stop right in front of the item I want to grab????
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How much am I being paid to do all this? Is there at least a little discount because they got to fire the staff that would normally do all this?
The far bigger question imo, is: "Exactly what is being harvested by the app you installed on your phone?"

Here's an article on Slashdot detailing over 1000 apps that continue to harvest data from your phone, even after you remove permissions or disable them.

My policy is to refuse any business that requires downloading an app. So far I'm managing OK with this, but recognize I may have to bend in the future to continue some forms of commerce.

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Whoever complained about shoppers having their phones out needs to remember that for many of us, our shopping list is on the phone!

I have a shared list with my boyfriend to coordinate what we need. So much better than a paper list, which I may not have with me when I realize we're out of X or that I'd like to pick up some Y. Phone is always handy, plus the other partner has the same list. Whoever has a chance to stop at the store 1st grabs what's needed.
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