Attn circumcised: your mother is likely a sex offender

[Try2B Comprehensive]

Originally Posted by Battle Pope

I think you need a vacation.

How about here?

Well no, I just got back from vacation and it was sublime. Fie on your penis park!

[Battle Pope]

Originally Posted by Try2B Comprehensive

Well no, I just got back from vacation and it was sublime. Fie on your penis park!

But you'd fit right in there.

[Try2B Comprehensive]

Originally Posted by Drunky Smurf

If the OP has not tried to prosecute his own mother then he is just a fucking lieing, shit-eating, baby-raping, circumcising troll.

My relationship with my own mother didn't make it past family aggravated assault, so your accusation is moot. I think this wraps up the Drunky Smurf objections, unless he has some more.

[Battle Pope]

Was this an actual assault, or, along the lines of 'circimcusion = sexualt assault' was it just a hug?

Either way the OP is such a prime example of being disconnected from reality that its really not worth continuing.

[Guinastasia]

I believe there are doctors out there who do "foreskin restoration", if you're that desparate.

[Whack-a-Mole]

Originally Posted by levdrakon

For every guy doing fine circumcised there are many more doing fine uncircumcised. That's a non-starter.

Exactly.

Circumcised or not is not an issue one way or the other for males.

You can cut little boys' nipples off too, so they never get nipple cancer. Most people would call that "really stupid."

Why should I be circumcised? I'm gay. My penis will never go anywhere near a vagina. You don't get to slice up my penis to protect some chick I'll never have sex with.

If you think STDs are restricted to male/female intercourse then the discussion is over. I suspect you know better.

Interestingly they could make money removing men's nipples. I wonder why, if their motivation is to make money on unnecessary procedures as you suggested earlier, they don't push for it?

Don't give me any crap about it protecting me from HIV either. That's really, really stupid and based on African tribal studies where people think raping virgins cures AIDS. Cutting their penises completely off would probably show some benefits too.

I cited the study above which specifically said they dealt with the epidemiology of circumcision in the US in their study.


Bottom line is there are health benefits to circumcision. Not dramatic but real. Further, the procedure is safe and does not impact males' ability to function sexually in any way shape or form (not counting how you may mess yourself up in your own head but that is a mental problem in need of a therapist).

The few who are bent out of shape about it need psychological help. Circumcision is far from what is ailing them. They are messed in the head and need professional help. The vast majority of men who have been circumcised have dicks that work fine. They get hard-ons. They can screw people in the literal sense. They have no loss of sensation and enjoy getting laid same as non-circumcised men.

In short...nothing is different for them beyond a bit of aesthetics and that is wholly subjective.

Circumcised or not...who cares? Either way you are fine.

[Makeitstop]

Originally Posted by levdrakon

And yet, whenever one of these threads starts the usual corps of foreskin-obsessed cock cutters jumps in and defends the practice like it's central to their very being.

Interesting.

The problem, I think, is that we are told that we are victims and that we should feel violated. And if we don't feel that way, then we're just not seeing the whole issue clearly. It's kind of natural to feel insulted in that case, so we retaliate.

[Try2B Comprehensive]

Originally Posted by Whack-a-Mole

Bottom line is there are health benefits to circumcision. Not dramatic but real. Further, the procedure is safe and does not impact males' ability to function sexually in any way shape or form (not counting how you may mess yourself up in your own head but that is a mental problem in need of a therapist).

The few who are bent out of shape about it need psychological help. Circumcision is far from what is ailing them. They are messed in the head and need professional help. The vast majority of men who have been circumcised have dicks that work fine. They get hard-ons. They can screw people in the literal sense. They have no loss of sensation and enjoy getting laid same as non-circumcised men.

In short...nothing is different for them beyond a bit of aesthetics and that is wholly subjective.

Circumcised or not...who cares? Either way you are fine.

There are health benefits to not-circumcision- body parts have a function, who'da thunk it? And I would not categorize a procedure which results in an unnecessary amputation as 'safe' when that is literally and obviously the opposite.

The AIDS statistics strike me as an excuse. I don't like putting words in other people's mouths/assigning them motives, but as has been pointed out, considering a person can wear a condom to prevent AIDS, not to mention practice basic hygiene, why insist on the radical step of healthy-infant amputation? Seems there are a lot of assumptions built into that decision, no? And, have you come up with another example where we amputate as disease prevention?

Do you have any psych credentials? Because I call bullshit on your diagnosis. The psychological issue at work in this thread is the weird blind spot this issue occupies in our culture which I simply point out.

Cite that my complaint is an issue of aesthetics?

I'd agree I'm 'fine', but I don't think that really justifies amputative surgery, especially considering you claim a person is 'fine either way'. Wouldn't you agree "fine either way" is a prime ur-example of a reason Not to perform surgery? Are you unaware of the absurdity of your defense?


I hope after the DNC convention I'll have the time to launch the final thread outside the pit where we can examine the legal reasons why routine circumcision ought to stop. I probably ought to apologize in advance for not having the time to respond to every last poster in that thread, but I'll try.

You've read, "The Merchant of Venice", right? While we're in the pit, Whack-a-Mole, and considering your interest in psychoanalysis, let's talk about your mother...


Ode to the Sandusky Child Mutilation Center, "Where Sending You Home With 99% of Your Son is Our Passion!" ^tm
---
Shall I rate your mother 'gainst Shylock the Jew?
Not that his jewishness lends him dishonor
besides in the eyes of his heartless tormentors,
who kick him, and rob him, and call him a dog.
They nightly imprison his kind in the Geto.
The fury of Shylock swells. He's enraged!
The result it turns out is cruel lending terms staged:
"You will pay back promptly the loan you request,
Or I'll carve a pound of your flesh from your breast!"

Circumstance snags his worst foe in his trap.
At this point old Shylock won't take any yap.
His friends offer double of what the guy owes,
but furious Shylock is not to be moved.
They desperately offer sextuple the sum, but
a man this oppressed wants but see vengeance be done.

Tell me what grievance your mother fulfilled-
While with not sin nor symptom your new form was filled?
What was her motive (I take, absent a creed),
that caused her permitting this terrible deed?
Was she oppressed? Beat up with a stick?
No, for no reason she punished your dick.
'Twas just a suggestion: "Without a prescription,
We'll chop your son's privates to match this description."
With unfurrowed brow and with nary a question
She vapidly authorized your circumcision.

Now, even a sow needs a ring in its snout
which one must pull smartly to lead it about.
So as object of measure, poor Shylock's too big
since your mom's credulity's worse than a pig's!
Are you also branded? Your sister's feet bound?
An altar to Mammon in her house be found?
No wait! Don't tell me! There I want not go
For I haven't the time for two threads here you know.

[Meyer6]

Originally Posted by Try2B Comprehensive

I'd agree I'm 'fine', but I don't think that really justifies amputative surgery, especially considering you claim a person is 'fine either way'. Wouldn't you agree "fine either way" is a prime ur-example of a reason Not to perform surgery? Are you unaware of the absurdity of your defense?

You're 'fine', really? Apart from the fact that you spend an inordinate amount of time mourning the loss of 'half' your dick, you also blame circumcision for all the problems in your relationship:

Originally Posted by Try2B Comprehensive

in my case I fear the long-term consequences of circumcision mean I am sort of going asexual. This isn't really fair to my gf. [...] Why would you want to disrupt her sex life? Even if you hate men and male sexuality with all your heart and think every single one of us ought to be surgically altered to the brink of anhedonia, can't you at least stop to consider that this can affect other people as well?

Asexuality could be the kind of thing that undermines a marriage.

These are not the words of someone who is 'fine'. These are the words of someone who genuinely needs the help of a trained therapist. Whack-a-Mole is right, you're just using this imagined trauma as a scapegoat for some apparently serious psychological issues. What if you were uncircumcised and still couldn't get it up for your girlfriend? What if you still undermined your relationship because of your personal problems? Plenty of uncirced men have difficulty with relationships and marriages too - what do you think they blame it on?

And why is only your mother to blame for this? Is dad innocent in all these cases of imaginary sexual assault? Sounds to me like someone has more of a mommy problem than a penis problem.

[Smeghead]

Originally Posted by Try2B Comprehensive

Ode to the Sandusky Child Mutilation Center, "Where Sending You Home With 99% of Your Son is Our Passion!" ^tm
---
Shall I rate your mother 'gainst Shylock the Jew?
Not that his jewishness lends him dishonor
besides in the eyes of his heartless tormentors,
who kick him, and rob him, and call him a dog.
They nightly imprison his kind in the Geto.
The fury of Shylock swells. He's enraged!
The result it turns out is cruel lending terms staged:
"You will pay back promptly the loan you request,
Or I'll carve a pound of your flesh from your breast!"

Circumstance snags his worst foe in his trap.
At this point old Shylock won't take any yap.
His friends offer double of what the guy owes,
but furious Shylock is not to be moved.
They desperately offer sextuple the sum, but
a man this oppressed wants but see vengeance be done.

Tell me what grievance your mother fulfilled-
While with not sin nor symptom your new form was filled?
What was her motive (I take, absent a creed),
that caused her permitting this terrible deed?
Was she oppressed? Beat up with a stick?
No, for no reason she punished your dick.
'Twas just a suggestion: "Without a prescription,
We'll chop your son's privates to match this description."
With unfurrowed brow and with nary a question
She vapidly authorized your circumcision.

Now, even a sow needs a ring in its snout
which one must pull smartly to lead it about.
So as object of measure, poor Shylock's too big
since your mom's credulity's worse than a pig's!
Are you also branded? Your sister's feet bound?
An altar to Mammon in her house be found?
No wait! Don't tell me! There I want not go
For I haven't the time for two threads here you know.

I don't really have a horse in this race, but writing stuff like this doesn't do a whole lot to support your "I'm totally sane and well-adjusted" argument.

[Guinastasia]

Is this the real life?

[Battle Pope]

Originally Posted by Try2B Comprehensive

Ode to the Sandusky Child Mutilation Center, "Where Sending You Home With 99% of Your Son is Our Passion!" ^tm
---
*snip dumbfuckery*

I see they cut your talent in half as well.

[grude]

Try2B Comprehensive

Have you looked into non-surgical foreskin restoration?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreskin_restoration

Basically it is gently stretching the skin on the penis to cause tissue growth, the results can be dramatic:

<http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Ca_before_after.jpg>

No it isn't replacing the original tissue, but it is DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Please don't just dismiss this, there are tons of resources online about this including devoted message boards where no one is going to ridicule you. You have a lot of anger about this, this would allow you at least to put it toward changing your current situation.

[Guinastasia]

People, I think we're being trolled. C'mon.

[Try2B Comprehensive]

Originally Posted by Guinastasia

I believe there are doctors out there who do "foreskin restoration", if you're that desparate.

You'll see in the next thread why this cannot address the issue. And, you're repeating yourself.

[Try2B Comprehensive]

Originally Posted by Whack-a-Mole

This "woe is me" bullshit from circumcised men who whine that they were mutilated is nothing more than people trying to find something to bitch about.

I dunno. Seems like you think this is an invalid gripe. Everyone us up in arms about whether or not women can decide for themselves what they do with their bodies. Me and you? Nope! Compulsory chop, and then shut up later.

[Guinastasia]

Originally Posted by Try2B Comprehensive

You'll see in the next thread why this cannot address the issue. And, you're repeating yourself.

Another thread about this? Dude, c'mon.

[Meyer6]

Originally Posted by Guinastasia

Another thread about this? Dude, c'mon.

And yet you're the one accused of repeating yourself. Strange.

[Whack-a-Mole]

Originally Posted by Try2B Comprehensive

I dunno. Seems like you think this is an invalid gripe.

Roughly 60% of the men in the US are circumcised and there are about 157 million men in the US (give or take...ballparking numbers but should be close to these two numbers).

So, roughly 94,200,000 men in this country are circumcised. Of those how many bitch about being circumcised? How many bitch about not being circumcised?

I do not know but the numbers are a tiny fraction of that total. The vast majority of men in the US, cut or uncut, get on just fine and whatever their problems circumcision is not one of them.

Yes a vocal minority whine about this but they are just that. A vocal minority (and a very small one at that) stirring up a shitstorm over something that most have no problem with. Even when those opposed to it bring it up most men wonder what the fuck you lot are on about.