Originally Posted by Muffin
In the great tradition of Cloaca, Canned Artist Shit, and the Dildo Dancers, I pulled it out of my ass.
art. A round of applause for Muffin!
I have a more practical view of these matters. Back in the neighborhood we weren't too sophisticated, but we knew what we liked - and what we liked were cliches. That said, I say that if there's a box office, then it's art. So Dancing on a Dildo qualifies as does Canned Artist Crapola, but I'm afraid Muffin's Post Contemplating on Western Art
does not. It grieves me too.
Originally Posted by PlainJain
...And my opinion is that Rockwell was a talented draftsman, craftsman and illustrator - not a true artist.
Back when I was younger, oh say 24 hours ago, I used to take that position. But now I figure that to the extent that Rockwell's craft was developed in Art School, then he's probably an artist, as is any other -er- graphic artist.
As it happens, I don't much care for Rockwell's work: I find the emotions that he depicts to be overwrought and unrealistic. But you can find any number of works in the 19th century Western Canon that strike me the same way. So I dislike Rockwell because I'm a philistine -salt of the earth really- and not a snob.
I used to think that art was a combination of craft and theme. Rockwell's work has both. So Jane
-seriously- by what criteria is Rockwell's work not art? It seems you think it lacks soul. Are you saying the themes he worked on are too banal? That can't be right, given Rembrandt's subject matter. I agree Rockwell's work doesn't challenge me too much (though Karl's counter-examples are much appreciated, and I've read professional critics who think Rockwell was under-rated). So while I can think of a lot of art that I consider better
, I'm having trouble putting Rockwell in a different category than any other artist working on a commission with strict commercial restrictions.
Hm. Maybe that's it. "Strict commercial restrictions." The problem there
is that, uncomfortably, commercial pressures can be good for art at times. Some of the experimental stuff is pretty banal after all, though it can provide a certain frisson.