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Old 09-17-2019, 07:14 AM
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It's confusions like this that make me doubt Farnaby has ever read a history book. Safe roads for travelers are routinely cited as a primary benefit of Europe's early strong central governments.
Bah. Just more NPR propaganda.
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That would be up to the owners of the roads....
When you speak to people in real life, is the response often giggling?
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It's confusions like this that make me doubt Farnaby has ever read a history book. Safe roads for travelers are routinely cited as a primary benefit of Europe's early strong central governments.
Europe had no early strong central governments unless youíre going back quite a bit. Italy and Germany were decentralized and ahead of backwaters like France.
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The structure of civil society has been so eroded by authoritarian governments that supposedly literate individuals can not conceive of a society that is not forced by the threats of the government. Very sad situation.
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Old 09-17-2019, 07:46 AM
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The structure of civil society has been so eroded by authoritarian governments that supposedly literate individuals can not conceive of a society that is not forced by the threats of the government. Very sad situation.
Do you have an example of such a society in human history?
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That would be up to the owners of the roads. I would assume there would be some sort of credential. What we wouldn’t have would be armed gangs in clown cars harassing people and escalating situations needlessly.





Oh, there would still be armed gangs harassing people. It would just be a different gang every couple of miles.
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Do you have an example of such a society in human history?
I got this one. The glorious Principality of Sealand!

ETA: They’re led by a Prince and sell titles of nobility, and have an “army” of “knights”, so maybe they’re not so free of authoritarianism after all.

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The structure of civil society has been so eroded by authoritarian governments that supposedly literate individuals can not conceive of a society that is not forced by the threats of the government. Very sad situation.
So, no answers to any of my questions then. Ok.
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Oh, there would still be armed gangs harassing people. It would just be a different gang every couple of miles.
Yes roving gangs are a problem in the aisles of Wal Mart.

The statist never stops to think that the problems on public property are because of poor govt management.
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So, no answers to any of my questions then. Ok.
I suggest you start reading Rothbard if youíre interested.
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If the property is in dispute, private courts will decide ownership. Same as now but much more efficient and with mechanisms that drive the best decision-makers to the top instead of the best politicians.
Why would I abide by some private court? Who is going to make me?
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No, you’re the one advocating for this. You explain it. I made the effort. Now you.
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If the property is in dispute, private courts will decide ownership. Same as now but much more efficient and with mechanisms that drive the best decision-makers to the top instead of the best politicians.
What mechanisms are these that
1. Could determine who the best decision makers are, and
2. Could compel these people to take jobs against their will?
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2. Could compel these people to take jobs against their will?
Well, for #2, the large sacks of shiny metal and/or stones that the free market will throw at them. And I'm certain that they won't be swayed by whoever keeps them the largest sacks.
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Seriously? Wal-Mart?

The same Wal-Mart where recently a shooter on a rampage went unchecked for a good long while?

Where people generally don't go on rampages because of generally good public order, enforced by the state, rather than private security?

The same Wal-Mart that has, for decades, depended on government subsidized or government provided assistance, including health insurance, for its employees? That relies on publicly funded roads and transportation systems to transport its goods? Where the Walton family is heavily into setting public education policy in Arkansas because it wants its employees educated cheaply but only so far and no further?

This Wal-Mart that sucks at the government's teat is an example of this supposed Libertarian ideal?

Wow.

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Yes roving gangs are a problem in the aisles of Wal Mart.

The statist never stops to think that the problems on public property are because of poor govt management.
So government needs to be more efficient? We all know that.

As for "roving gangs," what do you expect the gov't to do about it? Make more laws?

You seem to be leaning towards advocating no government, in which case all the decisions would be made by the property owners, like Feudalism.

So, I did your work for you again (you're welcome) and found who you were basing your opinions on, Murray Rothbard.

He believed in praxeology, which the article defines as...
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Ah! Don't consider evidence! Just like the Trump administration. Stalin was the same way when he rejected actual science and embraced Lysenkoism. He exiled, executed and imprisoned over 3K biologists for daring to value evidence. Later, 30 million died from starvation.

There's a reason why right-wing anarchism didn't catch on.
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Do you have an example of such a society in human history?
Yes! There was a good documentary about it called The Road Warrior.
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Yes roving gangs are a problem in the aisles of Wal Mart.

The statist never stops to think that the problems on public property are because of poor govt management.
Are you suggesting that the reason there arenít gangs menacing Wal Mart customers is that Wal Mart itself has figured out how to enforce good behavior on its premises, without relying on the state, in a way that the government canít figure out?
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Why would I abide by some private court? Who is going to make me?
I see a job for those roving gangs!
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I see a job for those roving gangs!
But if they make me, they are forcing me to do something I don't want to do - just like a government!

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No, we've considered it, then rejected it as absurd on its face.
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But if they make me, they are forcing me to do something I don't want to do - just like a government!





That’s something a dirty statist would say
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I think Will Farnaby is a dingdong, but really, NPR deserves some deep skepticism on its staff and reporting. They put so much emphasis on being "balanced" that they provide a platform for Republican talking heads to spout whatever outrageous bullshit they feel like spouting.

Giving equal time isn't enough to guarantee integrity; you have to be willing to challenge bullshit.
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The structure of civil society has been so eroded by authoritarian governments that supposedly literate individuals can not conceive of a society that is not forced by the threats of the government. Very sad situation.
Of course we can. It's called Somalia.
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I think Will Farnaby is a dingdong, but really, NPR deserves some deep skepticism on its staff and reporting. They put so much emphasis on being "balanced" that they provide a platform for Republican talking heads to spout whatever outrageous bullshit they feel like spouting.

Giving equal time isn't enough to guarantee integrity; you have to be willing to challenge bullshit.
"Fair" and "balanced" are two different things. Giving flat-Earthers equal time with astronomers would be balanced, but not fair.
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"Fair" and "balanced" are two different things. Giving flat-Earthers equal time with astronomers would be balanced, but not fair.
Look at all that time the networks owe drunk driving proponents.
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To be clear, here is a transcript of the segment that made me cancel my monthly NPR donation.

You don't want to read the entire interview, so I will summarize by saying that NPR allowed Republican strategist (and former Mitch MicConnell communications adviser) Antonia Ferrier to state, as unchallenged fact, that the Mueller report was a miss, that it reports information already discosed in the media, that America wants to move on, that the Democrats should move on, there's nothing to see here, yadda yadda Republican talking points. Audie Cornish made some concerned noises but basically rolled over and let Ferrier have the mic.

I'm sure my $9 a month means nothing to NPR, but they'll never again get it from me if they are willing to give an unchallenged platform to artisanal bullshit.
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Look at all that time the networks owe drunk driving proponents.
This could be just the break Foster Brooks has been waiting for.
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...artisanal bullshit.
Yeah those disingenuous fucking soap-makers!

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Very kind suggestion, but nah, you can answer this, actually:

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Who or what entities oversees and ensures private courts are being just.

Who or what entity evaluated credentials of those who serve on this courts.

Who or what entity provides the evidence to determine true ownership?
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To be clear, here is a transcript of the segment that made me cancel my monthly NPR donation.

You don't want to read the entire interview, so I will summarize by saying that NPR allowed Republican strategist (and former Mitch MicConnell communications adviser) Antonia Ferrier to state, as unchallenged fact, that the Mueller report was a miss, that it reports information already discosed in the media, that America wants to move on, that the Democrats should move on, there's nothing to see here, yadda yadda Republican talking points. Audie Cornish made some concerned noises but basically rolled over and let Ferrier have the mic.

I'm sure my $9 a month means nothing to NPR, but they'll never again get it from me if they are willing to give an unchallenged platform to artisanal bullshit.
It varies from interviewer to interviewer. In general I think that NPR challenges dubious facts more than most broadcast journalists. They just try to be diplomatic about it. But if you want no holds barred truth telling, I'd go with "On the Media."
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NPR’s idea of balance is having the warmonger David Brooks alongside the warmonger E.J. Dionne. That’s like having a balanced breakfast of ham and Canadian bacon.
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Looks like Will is taking a page from Trump's book and pretending his misconceptions never happened. "All wars are bad" is a safer stance anyway.
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