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Are all these places ours from when we mugged Spain?
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Old 10-13-2017, 12:37 AM
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Are all these places ours from when we mugged Spain?
PR and Guam. Not DC or the US Virgin Islands.
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Old 10-13-2017, 07:28 AM
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Maybe we should pull our troops out of Afghanistan, Yemen, and Niger (seriously, wtf are we doing in Niger?!) so they can invade Puerto Rico.
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Old 10-13-2017, 09:43 AM
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And here come the helicopters....
Were they black helicopters? Those are the best kind.
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Saw several US military helicopters flying into the Owen Roberts Airport here in Grand Cayman earlier today. Local media is reporting that they are returning from service assisting with Hurricane Irma in the eastern Caribbean. They made a similar fuel stop in Cayman when they were deploying from their home base in Honduras.

I saw the three Apaches and two Chinooks flying in one after the other. I missed the landing of the C130. Apparently we are expecting more returning military flights tomorrow, three Marine Se Stallions.
WTF? Why do you bring gunships to a relief mission, unless you plan to relieve the folks on the ground of their lives?

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Old 10-13-2017, 09:46 AM
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All the other commonwealths get to vote.
Doesn't matter what they deign to call themselves. Each was admitted to the union as a state with a republican government, as required by the constitution. So, not only are they states, they are also republics.
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Old 10-13-2017, 09:50 AM
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Were they black helicopters? Those are the best kind.WTF? Why do you bring gunships to a relief mission, unless you plan to relieve the folks on the ground of their lives?
Helicopters. Can land and take off without airports, perform low level flight to find out stuff. If not loaded with munitions, can carry antibiotics, though obviously not enough water or food to make a difference.
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:05 AM
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PR and Guam. Not DC or the US Virgin Islands.
We bought US VI from Denmark around WWI. It had something to do with not wanting Germans in the Caribbean, fearing that if Germany overran Denmark, they might take control of the islands.
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:07 AM
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And here come the helicopters....
... second time today
Everybody scatters and hopes it goes away
How many kids they've murdered only God can say, hey
If I had a rocket launcher, if I had a rocket launcher
If I had a rocket launcher, I'd make somebody pay.
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Old 10-13-2017, 02:20 PM
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And here come the helicopters....

Saw several US military helicopters flying into the Owen Roberts Airport here in Grand Cayman earlier today. Local media is reporting that they are returning from service assisting with Hurricane Irma in the eastern Caribbean. They made a similar fuel stop in Cayman when they were deploying from their home base in Honduras.

I saw the three Apaches and two Chinooks flying in one after the other. I missed the landing of the C130. Apparently we are expecting more returning military flights tomorrow, three Marine Se Stallions.

So good to know. All done there. Nothing more to do or see. Move along.

What were apache gunships doing, flying cover for the chinooks. Sounds odd for disaster response.
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Old 10-13-2017, 02:58 PM
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Well, Rick Perry seems to think Puerto Rico is another country .
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b03a7be57fa474
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Old 10-13-2017, 04:08 PM
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Well, Rick Perry seems to think Puerto Rico is another country .
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b03a7be57fa474
And today Trump told reporters that he had spoken to "the President of the Virgin Islands." That would by YOU, dumbass.
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And today Trump told reporters that he had spoken to "the President of the Virgin Islands." That would by YOU, dumbass.
I would imagine that he talks to himself.
And answers.
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Old 10-13-2017, 04:48 PM
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I would imagine that he talks to himself.
And answers.
And tends to mishear what he says to himself.
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And tends to mishear what he says to himself.
If only he would start Twitter feuds with himself ...
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Old 10-13-2017, 05:18 PM
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If only he would start Twitter feuds with himself ...
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Old 10-13-2017, 06:36 PM
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What were apache gunships doing, flying cover for the chinooks. Sounds odd for disaster response.
Not really. It's the army. They want security for their shit. Even from american citizens. Plus desperate people are more likely to do crazy things, like trying to storm a relief base.
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Were they black helicopters? Those are the best kind.WTF? Why do you bring gunships to a relief mission, unless you plan to relieve the folks on the ground of their lives?
Their sights.

The Chinook and Blackhawk are equipped with the Mark I eyeballs of their crew. Because of its primary use, the Apache is equipped with magnifying daylight and and thermal sights capable of seeing clearly at long distances. It's hard to effectively kill at long range if you can't see at long range. It also has a recording system to capture video from the sights for later analysis. It makes for a very capable observation aircraft even when you aren't planning to kill what you see.

We kept them in Bosnia all the way to the end of the nine year peacekeeping mission for that very reason.
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Old 10-14-2017, 01:36 AM
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The military uses what they have, i guess. I see another local report said they are Black Hawks and not Apaches. I wouldn't know the difference from a brief glance out my office window with a view from the left rear quarter and about a mile away.

Either model would be good enough for making observations of things like power line damage in remote areas and such. And yes, they looked black to me, though perhaps were actually a dark grey or such. Had a red cross on the nose of one in a new photo so perhaps that particular helicopter isn't totally outfitted for killing. Black Hawks are used for medical evacuations so perhaps that's the one.
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Old 10-14-2017, 04:25 AM
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Spic who pretends to be a Congressperson badmouths Dear Leader.

She complains that Puerto Ricans aren't treated like citizens. Nonsense! The most sacred honor of citizenship is to be drafted into the military and, as Ms. Velázquez herself points out, Puerto Ricans have been drafted into every (drafted) war since W.W. I; indeed it was to give them the right to be drafted that the U.S. forced Puerto Ricans to become U.S. citizens.

Ben Carson was sitting in the hot seat, acting even stupider than Frumpkfuck, but was spared answering Ms. Velázquez's question: "The time of the gentle lady has expired."
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Old 10-14-2017, 08:09 AM
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John Oliver's report on Puerto Rico is worth watching.
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Old 10-14-2017, 08:34 AM
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/which-...rricane-donald

From the Daily Beast

Which Was Worse for Puerto Rico, Hurricane Maria or Hurricane Donald?

I hope he's wrong, afraid he's right. And we don't know. What is happening in the interior of PR, out of sight, out of mind. If it was good, they would have already bragged about it. No food, no water, no power, no medicine, what happens next?

Is that what's going on? Is that the reason we have a sudden gush of very, very important events, terribly important news about everything else but? What actual information do we have, does anybody know? We know there is almost no communication to the interior, no roads, no phones. What could possibly go right?

IF it were good news, they would have told us, the would break both arms patting themselves on the back. They haven't told us. Anyone have the real facts, not the fake news, that the interior of PR is dotted with aid stations and outposts?

Sure would love to be wrong. Please, tell me I'm wrong. Prove it Make my month. Show me the pictures of tens of thousands of our people being fed, clothed, and treated. Show me the pictures of the healthy, safe children not shitting themselves to death from Stone Age intestinal infections. Show me the proof that I'm a silly old lefty who automatically assumes the worst.

Embarrass me. Please.
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Old 10-15-2017, 09:58 AM
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That pretty much tells me all I ever need to know about you.
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Old 10-15-2017, 10:08 AM
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I'm kinda skeptical of the stories circulating in less-than-major sites that FEMA has been handing out meals in Puerto Rico consisting of a can of Vienna sausages, a Nutri-Grain bar, and a pack of Skittles candies.

OTOH, there's unfortunately no reason to doubt the CNN story that Puerto Ricans have been reduced to getting water from a Superfund site.
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Old 10-15-2017, 10:17 AM
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Trump University: Land Grab 101

You can never be a successful Landlord if you don't control your tenants. When you come across people that occupy space that you own, or want to own, you need to control their environment.

If you are dealing with a rent controlled property, shut off or limit essential services like heat and water so that you can force the squatters out.

If you covet a piece of property (Puerto Rico as an example), start destabilizing their economy by changing US laws that allow investment into their space. And when they can't pay their bills anymore, sell them bond's that only keep them afloat, not enough to help them, just enough to keep them breathing.

Now the coup de gras. A natural catastrophe hits and your window of opportunity has opened. This is the Trump University Alumna's dream. You can actually kill brown people on a massive scale and get away with it. Just ignore them and their needs. If Trump University demonstrated anything, it is that the more brown people die, the cheaper you can buy their property.
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Old 10-15-2017, 10:23 AM
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Now the coup de gras. A natural catastrophe hits and your window of opportunity has opened. This is the Trump University Alumna's dream. You can actually kill brown people on a massive scale and get away with it. Just ignore them and their needs. If Trump University demonstrated anything, it is that the more brown people die, the cheaper you can buy their property.
Reminds me of Stalin.
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Old 10-15-2017, 05:44 PM
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This is American territory and it's being threatened with a military invasion. We need to send troops to defend our island.
Anybody experienced with false flag actions? If we could fake a Venezuelan invasion....
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Yes, it really is. I've posted the link in other threads several times. Great report on the causes of Puerto Rico's financial problems.
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Old 10-16-2017, 12:42 AM
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Thing is, there is still an amazing dearth of news. Most importantly, from the interior of PR. Cell phone calls, internet notices. smoke signals. Nothing. Intrepid TV correspondents, with glowing reports of tough, resilient folks "making do" in a bad situation, determined to rebuild....you know the drill. Not that I can see from several days of poking around news sources.

And this is an admin that always crows over good news, even good news about a horrible situation. And if they can't be quick about good news, then they are quick to pretend bad news is really good. Or its not really that good, but certainly not as bad as the fake media would have us believe.

Not even that. And here at Eeyore Central, that worries me. Can it be that even after all this time, we know almost nothing about what is going on there? We don't have drones, we don't have helicopters? Small planes that can fly low and slow. They are, and they don't tell us what they are finding? Or they are, and haven't found anything to tell us?

I've been trying to come up with a scenario where this lack of input might mean a good thing, even a silver lining thing. But I got nothin'.

Anybody?
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Old 10-16-2017, 10:55 AM
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The trouble is at least twofold (IMHO). First, the public has a short attention span for news. Irma pushed Harvey off the front page, likewise Maria shoved Irma aside, then the Las Vegas shootings occupied the headlines, and now the California wildfires are the main disaster news. In a nutshell, Puerto Rico is old news. God help us and them.

Second, it's back to news fatigue. Besides the overload of natural disaster news, the Las Vegas shooting and other, less globally catastrophic events (other shootings), there's the multitude of refugee crises, political news around the world, and right in the middle of it sits our own big fat ongoing disaster: Donald Trump, whose goal is to ALWAYS be in the headlines for some dumb stunt multiple times per day.
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In a nutshell, Puerto Rico is old news. God help us and them.
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