President Barack Obama is a shameful hypocrite.

[WillFarnaby]

Originally Posted by septimus

Obama may have outed secret information for political gain? He wasn't the first President to do so. The very nature of secrets makes it hard for ordinary citizens to form a sound opinion on specifics, but I'll say this: I disapprove of such politics on principle but might accept it if it serves the greater good of keeping the White House in rationalist hands.

For the sake of argument, assume that he did leak info for political gain. What could the public do to hold elected officials accountable?

Originally Posted by septimus

Replying to such a question with another question is normal: One judges our leaders via comparisons. Thus, I ask you: What do you think of the outing of Valerie Plame by the Bush Administration?

Small potatoes compared to other things they did and what Obama is doing now.

[dngnb8]

Originally Posted by kaylasdad99

Here; I even wrote your campaign song for you:

/win

[Chessic Sense]

Originally Posted by gamerunknown

They're voting for their preferred candidate out of two options.

Originally Posted by Bosstone

We've got two candidates for Presidency.

Three.

Originally Posted by WillFarnaby

You are the blindest partisan on this board. Or maybe that's the other guy that starts with L.

Liberal. Or Lobohan.

Originally Posted by Lemur866

Since either Obama or Romney will be the next president

Sure, with that attitude.

[septimus]

Originally Posted by WillFarnaby

Small potatoes compared to other things they did and what Obama is doing now.

The outing of Valerie Plame was part of a program of disinformation and prevarication which led America into a very foolish war: a war which killed perhaps half a million Iraqis and degraded the lives of millions more, and led the U.S. to waste more than a trillion dollars.

"Small potatoes"? You, sir, are astonishingly misinformed.

[silenus]

Originally Posted by WillFarnaby

Just checking back in on this thread and still nobody is willing to defend Obama's actions.

Fine, I'll defend his actions.

Obama's action are justified and proper because they absolutlely drive nuts like you even further batshit insane. That's all the defense they need. If it bugs the living shit out of you, then I'm good with it.

[Typo Negative]

Originally Posted by septimus

The outing of Valerie Plame was part of a program of disinformation and prevarication which led America into a very foolish war: a war which killed perhaps half a million Iraqis and degraded the lives of millions more, and led the U.S. to waste more than a trillion dollars.

"Small potatoes"? You, sir, are astonishingly misinformed.

Correction: more than a trillion dollars so far......

[Mighty_Girl]

Originally Posted by septimus

"Small potatoes"? You, sir, are astonishingly misinformed.

He comes from a land of giant potatoes.

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by WillFarnaby

Just checking back in on this thread and still nobody is willing to defend Obama's actions. They're good at comparing him to other people, and for that they get a smiley face sticker, but nobody is willing to defend his hypocrisy. Am I to assume that you all agree that he is a shameful hypocrite?

Do you think deception of this level should go unpunished?

Yes.

Originally Posted by WillFarnaby

One of the major failures of President Obama's administration is his failure to prosecute wrongdoers from the previous administration.

The things you describe in the OP might be bad decisions or broken campaign promises -- or not -- but they do not rise to the level of "wrongdoing," and you fucking know it.

Originally Posted by WillFarnaby

Do you think this is a good precedent to set? if so what recourse do I have as a concerned citizen against lies and lying liars in the executive branch?

Voting. You did not vote for W in 2004, I hope?

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by dropzone

While in previous lives I voted for Lincoln and FDR, in 1912 I was a Debs man all the way.

Me too! Now there was a real American patriot!

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by septimus

Obama may have outed secret information for political gain? He wasn't the first President to do so. The very nature of secrets makes it hard for ordinary citizens to form a sound opinion on specifics, but I'll say this: I disapprove of such politics on principle but might accept it if it serves the greater good of keeping the White House in rationalist hands.

This.

Originally Posted by septimus

Replying to such a question with another question is normal: One judges our leaders via comparisons. Thus, I ask you: What do you think of the outing of Valerie Plame by the Bush Administration?

And this.

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by kaylasdad99

No, wait. I wanna be your Veep!

Here; I even wrote your campaign song for you:

And do not ask about the Secret Ingredient!

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by WillFarnaby

For the sake of argument, assume that he did leak info for political gain. What could the public do to hold elected officials accountable?

Vote. That's all. That kind of leaking is not an impeachable offense by any measure.

Originally Posted by WillFarnaby

Small potatoes compared to other things they did and what Obama is doing now.

The Plame outing, OTOH, was an impeachable offense. If W had advance knowledge of it, that is, which he probably didn't.

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by Chessic Sense

Three.

A Libertarian candidacy is always a bad joke, even compared to Ralph Nader's.

[River Hippie]

When you look at Obama's opponent, (R)money,...how could you vote against Barack?

[elucidator]

Well, once you go Barack, you can never go back.

[saoirse]

Originally Posted by BrainGlutton

Vote. That's all. That kind of leaking is not an impeachable offense by any measure.

I disagree, unless there were a candidate who promised not to do that. Romney certainly hasn't, and I don't think Johnson has either.

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by saoirse

I disagree, unless there were a candidate who promised not to do that. Romney certainly hasn't, and I don't think Johnson has either.

What's that got to do with this? Breaking a campaign promise, in and of itself, is never an impeachable offense.

[saoirse]

Originally Posted by BrainGlutton

What's that got to do with this? Breaking a campaign promise, in and of itself, is never an impeachable offense.

Um, did I say it was?

Voting against a candidate for engaging in particular behavior doesn't accomplish anything if the other candidates are going to do the exact same thing.

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by saoirse

Um, did I say it was?

That is what you appeared to be referring to -- impeachment, not voting.

[Lemur866]

I started a thread on "When will people realize that Obama is not a die-hard liberal?" a year ago. Apparently it's taking longer than I thought.

[magellan01]

Originally Posted by elucidator

Well, once you go Barack, you can never go back.

Interesting. Usually you're unfunny in an original kinda way. You may want to rethink this branching out strategy you have.

[elucidator]

I will give your opinion all the consideration it is due.

[Drunky Smurf]

Originally Posted by elucidator

I will give your opinion all the consideration it is due.

Which is still 100 times more than yours deserves.

[BigAppleBucky]

Does the original post assume facts not in evidence? Back when the Bush 43 administration was leaking stuff, it was traced back to Cheney and Rove. Has that been done in this case, or is it too soon to know?

[elucidator]

Originally Posted by Drunky Smurf

Which is still 100 times more than yours deserves.

Nobody makes you read any of it, hoss. I'll get over it.

[Ravenman]

Originally Posted by Lemur866

I started a thread on "When will people realize that Obama is not a die-hard liberal?" a year ago. Apparently it's taking longer than I thought.

Don't flatter yourself. Der Trihs has been calling Obama a right-winger since... well, probably forever. Very few people have picked up on that, either.

[Jackmannii]

Originally Posted by BigAppleBucky

Does the original post assume facts not in evidence?

I'm still trying to figure out if we can refute it by proving that Obama is a shameless hypocrite.

[elucidator]

No virgin ever gets elected Queen of the Whores. You want perfect innocence and honesty? Then you will elect someone utterly incapable of dealing with the opposition. You will vote for moral victory and political failure.

Further, you will have to get a pair of Counselor Bricker's Zircon Encrusted Parsing Tweezers to tease out the difference between hypocrisy and compromise.

He was the best I was gonna get, so I voted for him. And will again.

[BrainGlutton]

Obama has been a pretty-good president because of the economy (could be better, especially WRT the jobless rate and gas prices; but it could be a whole lot worse, considering we've been in a global recession/depression these past five years); and because of his immigration policy; and because of a whole lot of other things. But mainly because he makes RW fucktards and Libertarian shitheads like WillFarnaby scream and rage. Any POTUS they hate the way they hate Obama has got to be a good one.