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Old 12-08-2012, 12:57 PM
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1964 and 1968 as realigning elections

Some argue that the 1964 and 1968 elections were realigning elections for the Republican and Democrat parties around the issue of civil rights.

In 1964 Johnson (D) pushed for civil rights while Goldwater (R) pushed for states' rights. Scholars traditionally see this as a break for the "Party of Lincoln," but didn't the rift start earlier, with Kennedy (D) pushing for civil rights back in his term/when he was still alive?

Do you see 1964 and 1968 as realigning elections?
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Old 12-08-2012, 01:19 PM
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No, I would say the realigning election came in 1980; the events of 1964 and 1968 merely began the processes by which Southern white conservatives migrated from the Dems to the Pubs, and by which movement conservatism began to take over the GOP, and 1980 was the culmination of all that.

Discussed in more detail here and here.

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Old 12-08-2012, 01:20 PM
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What is movement conservatism?
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Old 12-08-2012, 01:22 PM
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What is movement conservatism?
It's like when Newt Gingrich has to go really, really bad!
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Old 12-08-2012, 01:24 PM
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Anyway, I forgot to mention this in my OP, but the election of the 60s, I have read, marks the erosion of the "Solid South" for the Democrats. But wouldn't the "Solid South" have started eroding with Truman's desegregation of the military executive order?

I just find it odd how scholars are so willing to pin it on the 1964 election when the realignment may have been fomenting for decades earlier.
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:12 PM
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The 1964 Democratic convention was marked by massive fights between the traditional all white Southern delegates and integrated slates. Strom came back after 1948, remember. 1964 was definitely the beginning, but Nixon in 1968 deliberately went after the racist white populations of the southern states, and so I think that was where the realignment really happened. Goldwater appealed to them based on his pre-existing ideology, Nixon structured the message to appeal. 1968 was also the year George Wallace broke with the Democrats and ran as an independent.
By 1980 the change was complete.
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:44 PM
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From the trivia desk:

Until the 1964 election, states like Mississippi and Alabama were the most consistently Democratic-voting states. In 1960, Nixon got only 25% of the vote in Mississippi (though Kennedy didn't win the state -- Unpledged Democratic Electors who voted Byrd-Thurmond did).

That statistic then reversed completely. In 1964 Goldwater lost in a huge landslide, yet won over 87% of the vote in Mississippi ! (LBJ did even worse in Alabama, where he wasn't even on the ballot!)
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Old 12-08-2012, 08:20 PM
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From the trivia desk:

Until the 1964 election, states like Mississippi and Alabama were the most consistently Democratic-voting states. In 1960, Nixon got only 25% of the vote in Mississippi (though Kennedy didn't win the state -- Unpledged Democratic Electors who voted Byrd-Thurmond did).

That statistic then reversed completely. In 1964 Goldwater lost in a huge landslide, yet won over 87% of the vote in Mississippi ! (LBJ did even worse in Alabama, where he wasn't even on the ballot!)
Also from the trivia desk, there's a myth and reversal about the LBJ on the ballot thing.

The myth is that Lincoln wasn't on the ballot in Southern states in 1860. Not exactly, anyway. Back in the day, parties printed their own ballots with their ticket filled out, and distributed those to the voters, who took them to the polls to cast them. The Republicans just didn't bother campaigning or distributing ballots in the South.

Then, in 1964, Southern segregationists tried to capture enough electoral votes to deny a majority to either of the major candidates and gain leverage in a national compromise. In Alabama they made a slate of electors for the Electoral College who specifically wouldn't vote for LBJ. So the choice for voters in 1964 Alabama was "Unpledged Elector Democrats" or "Goldwater." As far as I'm aware this is the only time a major party candidate has been genuinely "kept off" a state ballot.

One more aside: 1964 may have been the worst election ever to try to deny either side a majority.
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Old 12-09-2012, 04:16 AM
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Based off of electoral maps the Solid South showed its first cracks in 1920 and Republicans won several states in elections like 1928 (when the Catholic and anti-Prohibition Al Smith got nominated), 1952, and 1956 (when the very popular General Eisenhower was nominated by the Republicans). OTOH Democrats still won Texas in 1968, did very well in the South in 1976 (while losing many of their current strongholds such as California), and win some Southern states with Southern candidates even later (such as Carter and Clinton).
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:26 PM
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From 68 to 72 was the real realignment. That's when the wedge was driven between the hippies and labor. Cultural issues came to the fore.
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