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08-26-2012, 10:08 PM
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The season finale was great EXCEPT for two things:
1) the relationship b.s. 2) Mac AND Maggie both yelling-- geez, those two are hysterical maniacs. Loved Will's full-out labeling of the Tea Party. Mainstream republicans (like Will) should be embarrassed and disgusted at them and the way they've taken over the party. I guess we're in for more relationship crap next season while Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice sort themselves out.
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#253
08-27-2012, 06:31 AM
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I actually liked the scene where Maggie ranted at the Sex & The City tour bus. And then when Jim pops up (like we knew he would) it was a good "rom-com" moment. But, yeah, they're stringing it out too much.
I also liked the scene where they confront Leona and Reese about the phone hacking.
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#254
08-27-2012, 12:23 PM
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I watched and liked it although like others have mentioned the relationship triangle-of-sorts is really getting old. My bigger problem with it is the object of said relationship drama - I mean c'mon... the woman screams "future psychiatric ward patient" with nearly every breath. She is not particularly attractive, and has those big bulging eyes. She is horribly unstable. Did they say how many times she and Don have broken up and got back together again in the year of the show? Yet she constantly goes back to an unhealthy relationship - a huge warning sign that this is not an emotionally mature and healthy person. This is not exactly someone an outside observer would find as a good catch.
My second gripe was Jane Fonda all of a sudden finding a moral compass. Sorry but that switch was just not believable in any way. Was she really opposed to the wire tapping and ignorant of it occuring? Maybe but the acting and writing didn't really convey it. Was she in on it the whole time and realized her only option was to deny knowledge and save herself? Again, maybe but the acting and writing didn't really convey it. I just found that whole change of heart to be very flat. MeanJoe
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#258
08-27-2012, 05:05 PM
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I really don't understand why Maggie told Lisa that she thought Jim came to the apartment to ask for her (Maggie). Seriously, why would someone do that, particularly when you have no proof and the other woman in this scenario is your best friend and roommate? Did she even think about how that would sound? "Lisa, Jim might be in love with me, because there's a possibility that when he came to the apartment, he might have been planning to ask for me instead of you, his girlfriend."
Both Jim and Don should run as fast as they can.
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#260
08-27-2012, 08:42 PM
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The relationships in this show are too unrealistic, and it's ruining it for me. Mac: "Jim, go and have a romantic relationship with that girl, Maggie, I think her name is." Jim: "Hmm, don't mind if I do! Maggie I love you. And, I'm going to date your best friend." And Sloan is still single because [strike]Gollum[/strike]Don never asked her out?? Paaaahlease. 
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08-27-2012, 08:57 PM
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It has officially lost me and my GF.
I tried. I hung in there as long as I could. I wanted to like it. He's depressed because he was the subject of a hatchet job by hack he invited in to punish the girl that betrayed him be sleeping with the hack???? That is a self inflicted wound. His insurance company should have made him pay the bill out of pocket. WTF is Don still doing in every episode? All these people who have a full-time news show job? Well, Don has one too....ON ANOTHER SHOW!! They spent two months going over stump speeches and quotes on every candidate for a mock debate to pitch an actual debate that was, at best, unlikely to happen. And the mock debate lasted 30 seconds? Oh no they did NOT! I love the news show. I like Will. I would have the rest of them shot. The only thing that would get me to tune in again is if Maggie actually gets put into a burlap sack and tossed in the East River.
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08-27-2012, 09:46 PM
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08-27-2012, 10:25 PM
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08-28-2012, 03:47 AM
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Well, if one was perfectly contented with (or utterly indifferent to) a topic, one likely wouldn't bother to comment at all. Thus whoever formed the "suggestion" was working from a self-selected sample, and in addition I rather doubt the data was collected with anything resembling rigor.
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#266
08-28-2012, 06:48 AM
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Saw it - more Broadway with Quixote and Camelot.
My wife loved it and I thought it was fine. I see all of the issues that folks, even at 1:30am, are discontent about and pretty much agree. But I still enjoy the idea of the show - a cross between the West Wing and the Daily Show (as a topical commentary on politics and the media) - and enough of the actors to stick with it. Olivia Munn is acquitting herself well; Sloan remains the female character least coarsely drawn. But falling for the douche didn't feel correct; if she was going to get plot-twisted, I would see a damaged genius in her future. Still too many false notes. Let's see what next season brings.
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#267
08-28-2012, 08:05 AM
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I was wondering why Neal's story about the internet trolls and the death threats against Will never led to anything in the plot. So will the next season pick up immediately or will there be gap?
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#268
08-28-2012, 08:21 AM
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#270
08-28-2012, 09:15 AM
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Looked it up on YouTube. Amazing moves, period, but even more so for such a muscular athlete of a guy. Last edited by WordMan; 08-28-2012 at 09:16 AM.
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#271
08-28-2012, 09:31 AM
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 I wonder if he will ever take his shirt off on The Newsroom. Okay. My recommendations for the show: get rid of Mac AND Maggie AND Don. No more relationship b.s. Kill the message-board-troll plotline. And have Terry take his shirt off from time to time. That will fix things nicely.
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#272
08-28-2012, 11:06 AM
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No, don't get rid of Don! His meltdown watching Sloan go rogue on the air is probably my favorite scene of the whole first season. Plus, he's one of the few people on the show who actually seems competent enough to be a part of producing a nightly newscast.
Getting rid of Mac, Maggie, and Jim? Now we're talking.
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#273
08-28-2012, 11:10 AM
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I watched the finale last night: on the whole I liked it, but I am seriously tired of every single one of the female characters -- especially Maggie. When it comes to characters who are so annoying that I sometimes want to stop watching the show just because of them, Maggie gives Sookie Stackhouse a run for her money. And Mackenzie isn't too far behind Maggie.
If they don't fix the women next season -- and I mean early in the season -- I think I'll be done with this show. Unless Terry Crews starts appearing shirtless.
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#275
08-28-2012, 03:22 PM
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Anyway, these ten episodes cover more than a year in these characters' lives, yet they remain stuck in their initial patterns as firmly as cartoon characters whose clothes never change. Didn't MacKenzie push Jim toward Maggie in the first episode as (I thought at the time) a cynical ploy to try to get MacKenzie and Jim (the newcomers at the time) a foothold in the office dynamic? A year later, it turns out she was playing matchmaker, and she's it still concerned the Jim/Maggie project isn't moving forward? Jeez, woman, get your damn priorities straight, including fixing your own shambles of a life.
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08-28-2012, 03:34 PM
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08-28-2012, 04:50 PM
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I still haven't seen "5/1," which some people said was the best episode of the season, but I did watch the other episodes and I still think the Giffords one was mostly good. There are enjoyable lines and moments here and there, but this show is still a total mess in terms of the characters and structure and its ideas, and most of the people in the newsroom aren't nuts in a fun and amusing way, they're nuts in an irritating way that makes me think they're mentally ill and hope they are sterile. Much of what they do makes no sense and only happens to create random conflicts and "romantic" complications. Every single conversation about work is interrupted or delayed by a conversation about relationships, often someone who isn't even in the room, the characters interfere with each others' lives in a way that is much more bossy and annoying than funny, and Jim and Maggie and Don are all coming off as kind of psycho. Mac seems to get dumber every week. Remember when we were supposed to think she's a brilliant producer? I'm not sure how she even dresses herself. The scheming-CEO-hates-them plot was trite in the first place and resolving it with blackmail didn't feel believable to me. This is just a bad show on almost every level other than the cast.
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#278
08-28-2012, 05:01 PM
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In the first few episodes of West Wing, Moira Kelly's character was a lead, and President Bartlett was supposed to be an occasional drop-in character. Things changed dramatically in Season 2....so don't be surprised if Sorkin tweaks his creation.
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08-28-2012, 05:36 PM
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#282
09-01-2012, 06:02 PM
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We finished S1 tonight and I think I'm all-in. Bring on the romance! More Olivia Munn! Quixotic producers, breaking news, jumps from bridges, teary kisses, and more Olivia Munn! (who became hotter to me when she spoke Japanese for some reason)
Sorkin fired all his writers at the end of the season. It'll be interesting to see where this goes.
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09-01-2012, 09:25 PM
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09-01-2012, 10:14 PM
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...UeQX_blog.html Sorkin took a moment to tell the critics that (a) the writing staff on the show had not been fired; and (b) he had not kept on staff an ex-girlfriend — two elements of a story that had been reported somewhere and picked up everywhere, maybe even by some of those in the room. “Seeing that in print is scaring the hell out of the writing staff,” Sorkin said. “They’re acting very strange. They’re coming to work early, being polite to me, and I want the old gang back. I love the writing staff.”
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09-01-2012, 10:47 PM
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09-05-2012, 02:18 PM
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I had a big honking rant typed up and it was lost. The gist of it went:
a) the show has many redeeming features and people should watch it and like it more than they are b) sorkin isn't as clever as he wants to be, and it shows in the writing c) sorkin knows it, so that makes it more bearable. reasons? a) like others have said, this is a smart drama that finally doesn't take place in a courtroom or drama. it's refreshing even in its heavyhanded preachiness and 1-hr runtime. the dialogue is classic sorkin and that is not a bad thing. the casting is phenomenal imo. b) the references aren't particularly clever or highbrow. i'd even argue they're not out of touch. i might not make brigadoon or annie references but as a mid-20's ex-frat guy who didn't take HS drama, i at least got them. the characters are lazily constructed and they act out of convenience to the plot rather than being true to their character. the way the underlying arc of being a better news program that reports news in a fair and balanced manner degenerates from talking heads that shout each other down to jeff daniels shouting everybody down. plus the way he thinks news and politics interact is ridiculously naive and oversimplified. even my HS Junior sister recognizes this. c) the serious crowning moments of awesome in this show come after moments of immense hubris. the speech in the pilot in response to the talking heads and know-nothing 19 year olds, 2 different reactions to olivia munn's self-righteous pursuit of off-the-record truth, jeff daniel's smackdown at the hands of huntsman's staffer, and the confrontation in the season finale are all moments where someone gets knocked down a few pegs. Sorkin understands that his idealized view of the world where truth, beauty, and knowledge are built through integrity is impossible and acting as such will have consequences, but he still wants to make his shows that way that speaks to me as a form of awareness. oh, and the romance pentagon (don, maggie, james, lisa, and don's hussies) would be a much better storyline if james and maggie were just platonic office friends like normal people in an office would be.
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#289
09-05-2012, 03:25 PM
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Well, I finally got around to watching the season finale, and I can't add much that hasn't already been said. The episode featured a lot of what is great about this show, and a lot of what is absolutely awful about it. That's what makes it so frustrating.
Still, it remains a worthwhile hour of TV watching in my opinion, so I'll be back next year. Perhaps Sorkin can adjust for the better. Mac can be fixed. Maggie needs to fall into a wood chipper. Let the new intern take her place and try from scratch.
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#290
09-11-2012, 05:53 PM
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I thought Will's belief that Mac must have rejected his declaration of love (as she'd never replied to his erased answerphone message) was supposed to factor into his depression at the magazine article too.
The problem with how women are depicted on this show, I think, springs from the fact that Sorkin has styled it after those old screwball comedies like My Girl Friday. The wit and charm this delivers pays dividends in the scripts, but those films' portrayal of women as adorable ditzes sneaks through into the mix as well. That's my theory anyway. As many people have said before, Will's programme isn't really a news bulletin at all - it's a news commentary show. He's a (much) more grown-up Keith Oberman in a Sorkin-friendly universe where MSNBC has somehow managed to ditch the histrionics and take the high moral ground. If only... For all that, I've found the show's strengths far outweigh its weaknesses, and I'll definitely be back for more next season. Last edited by Slade; 09-11-2012 at 05:54 PM.
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#291
09-21-2012, 10:14 AM
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