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Old 07-19-2017, 07:18 AM
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On mainstream lib blogs, especially the comment sections, they often tell themselves they're the real patriots. They like to point out how Republicans vote down healthcare for veterans or boo gay soldiers or don't support rape victims in the military. I don't know if they actually buy into this stuff or it's a meta-reaction from the Cold War and War on Terror.
Perhaps they point this stuff out because Republicans do in fact vote down healthcare for veterans, boo gay soldiers and fail to support rape victims in the military.

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Calling patriotism that goes too far "jingoism" reminds me of how when people want to defend capitalism ruining everything they call it "crony capitalism."
Since "jingoism" is defined as "extreme patriotism, especially in the form of aggressive or warlike foreign policy", calling patriotism that goes too far "jingoism" seems fairly accurate to me.

I'm not sure why it bothers you when liberals say things that are objectively true, but there you go. I'm also not sure why giving big piles of money to the Pentagon is considered supporting our troops but trying to actually provide real support for them isn't.
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Old 07-19-2017, 10:41 AM
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In my experience, confederate flag wavers consider themselves highly patriotic, in general. They also, in my experience, generally don't believe they are in any way racist. I find both opinions, self identified, equally unlikely to be true.
Nothing demonstrates one's patriotism like waving the flag of a country we once went to war with.
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Old 07-21-2017, 11:25 AM
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Well apparently thew new slogan, chosen after "months of polling and internal deliberations among the House Democratic caucus" (according to Vox Congressional reporter) is....






drum roll...




"A Better Deal: Better Skills, Better Jobs, Better Wages"

Democrats are as tone-deaf as ever.

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Old 07-21-2017, 11:47 AM
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Well apparently thew new slogan, chosen after "months of polling and internal deliberations among the House Democratic caucus" (according to Vox Congressional reporter) is....

drum roll...

"A Better Deal: Better Skills, Better Jobs, Better Wages"

Democrats are as tone-deaf as ever.
I'll admit that it doesn't really roll of the tongue, but which of those do you object to?
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:01 PM
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At least it's an economy-focused slogan, that certainly wasn't a given.

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Old 07-21-2017, 12:01 PM
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I'll admit that it doesn't really roll of the tongue, but which of those do you object to?
The "doesn't really roll off the tongue" part. They don't understand what a "slogan" means. It doesn't mean "cram a policy paper into one sentence".
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:04 PM
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The "doesn't really roll off the tongue" part. They don't understand what a "slogan" means. It doesn't mean "cram a policy paper into one sentence".
It worked for "Make America Great Again."

And that was nonsense.
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:20 PM
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The "doesn't really roll off the tongue" part. They don't understand what a "slogan" means. It doesn't mean "cram a policy paper into one sentence".
My favorite bumper sticker slogan is "Good policy doesn't fit on a bumper sticker." or even a recursively self referential and self contradictory statement "Only bad policy fits on a bumper sticker."

And that's not really a policy paper, a policy paper explains how those things are to be achieved. One of clinton's (many) faults on the camping trail is that she would read a policy paper to her audience. They would nod off, and then complain that she never addressed any of the issues that she spoke about, while repeating over and over the one line out of context that makes it look like it means the opposite of what it says.

So, the slogan, while maybe a bit unwieldy, is not a policy paper, not even a policy. It is a goal to be achieved through policies.

This may not be obvious to those who think that Make America Great Again is a policy, but that too, is just a slogan.

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Old 07-21-2017, 12:26 PM
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This may not be obvious to those who think that Make America Great Again is a policy, but that too, is just a slogan.
Of course it's a slogan. But it's a snappy (and yugely successful) one. As opposed to the ridiculous clunker of "A Better Deal: Better Skills, Better Jobs, Better Wages".

But please, Democrats, go with that.
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:32 PM
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It also unfortunately will lead Trump to inevitably mock the slogan with comments like"A better deal?! I'm the king of deals, I wrote the Art of the Deal, no one makes deals like I do, blah blah" and on and on until the midterms. Maybe not the best choice.

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Old 07-21-2017, 12:44 PM
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Of course it's a slogan. But it's a snappy (and yugely successful) one. As opposed to the ridiculous clunker of "A Better Deal: Better Skills, Better Jobs, Better Wages".

But please, Democrats, go with that.
Personally, if I were to go with a slogan, it'd be simple.

"We can do better."
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Old 07-21-2017, 05:54 PM
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Maybe they think the FDR reference is a sop to the left.

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Perhaps they point this stuff out because Republicans do in fact vote down healthcare for veterans, boo gay soldiers and fail to support rape victims in the military.
I thought these were well known examples, but thanks for the assist.

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I'm also not sure why giving big piles of money to the Pentagon is considered supporting our troops but trying to actually provide real support for them isn't.
Probably because America has a violent, pro-war culture. They even "declare war" on domestic issues like drugs and poverty and militarize their police. One could argue picking up litter on the side of the road or volunteering at a soup kitchen is patriotic, but that's not generally how it's used.
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