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Old 10-21-2019, 11:03 AM
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OP, do you realize the Constitution forbids the president from using his office for profit? Or do you only pay attention to the gun rights part?
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A silver lining in the cloud of Trumpian corruption is that it's pushing his opponents into "clean government" positions they'll find it difficult to back out of later.

As mentioned in the article linked by the OP, Trump has awarded ambassadorships to big campaign donors, a pattern of sleaziness followed by his predecessors as well. Now Elizabeth Warren is railing against the practice.

You go, Liz. Hopefully the "Media" will hold you to that one.
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I pity the O.P. - another soul corrupted by Trump and turned to evil, another mind brainwashed and turned to mush.

As already pointed out, it was Republicans that changed Trump's mind, because the corruption was so blatant and self-evident that they had not even a fig leaf of a defense against it.

The Hill: Trump dropped plan to host G-7 at Doral after Republican criticism: report
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President Trump reversed course on his plan to host next year’s Group of Seven (G-7) at his Doral resort after receiving pushback from a number of Republicans criticized the move, The New York Times reports.

According to The Times, after widespread criticism from Democrats and some Republicans in the days following the White House’s announcement that the summit would be at Doral next year, Trump called into a meeting Saturday being held at Camp David by acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney with moderate Republicans.

The meeting reportedly served a space for the Republicans to discuss the House Democrats’ ongoing impeachment inquiry into Trump as well as other issues.

During the call, Trump was reportedly told that the majority of Republicans at the meeting said he should reverse his decision to host the G-7 summit at his luxury property in Miami.
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Shortly after the call, Trump announced via Twitter that the summit would no longer be held at his property on Saturday evening, two days after the White House announced it would.
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Old 10-21-2019, 11:20 AM
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The president floated an idea so heinously corrupt that his own party threatened revolt, and reversed course to save face. Hahahaha, suck it, libs!
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Old 10-21-2019, 11:27 AM
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The word "free" only came up after Trump cancelled the summit at his bed bug infested property. Trump doesn't do free. He even charged his son's charity hundreds of thousands of dollars to use his golf course for a charity event.
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Old 10-21-2019, 11:35 AM
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Serious question, ignoring the obvious conflict of interest, is the resort actually a good place to host such a summit?
The media has said no. Reasons given is that it is in the middle of communities, most conferences are near water, so one side is already effectively blocked. It is in a flight zone, so all those flights would have to be re-routed. The communities would be blocked and extremely inconvenienced. Also not sure what state of repair the facility is in.
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Miami. In summertime. AKA "hurricane season." Conveniently located right by a busy international airport, for your peace-and-quiet pleasure. Not sure if there's actually a flight path right over the resort, but I know the PGA golfers used to hate the air traffic noise back when Doral was on the tour.

And are we ignoring the bedbugs, the smell of stale spilled beer in the carpets, and the mildew for now?

Can't see why that place would be undercooked in June.
Hurricane season aside, Miami in June is anything but undercooked. Or under-humidified.
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Old 10-21-2019, 11:46 AM
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My cynical self tells me Trump was planning to do a major renovation before the summit to fix the problems at Dorel using taxpayer's money "at cost."

If the site had not been changed, I can see other world leaders having objected to the point of not coming to the summit.

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And are we ignoring the bedbugs, the smell of stale spilled beer in the carpets, and the mildew for now?

Can't see why that place would be undercooked in June.
Is it really that bad? I just wonder - if you are running a resort that charges top dollar, you would assume that standards at least equal to a Holiday inn Express would be upheld. You know, clean rooms that are frequently refurbished, immediately handling of any reported bed bugs with serious measures. (Strip the room bare and fumigate?).

I want to think that this would be trivial to happen. Just hire experienced and qualified hotel management and make sure they are empowered to spend money as needed to give guests a top tier experience. Doesn't Hilton have a policy like that?
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Old 10-21-2019, 11:57 AM
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Hurricane season aside, Miami in June is anything but undercooked. Or under-humidified.
Quoted for truth.

I grew up in south Florida and spent my teenage summers working at a hotel as a pool attendant. Miami in June is approaching "burn your hands on the steering wheel" hot (which peaks in August); the hot afternoons are usually interrupted by brief sun showers that have the effect of ramping up the humidity exponentially.

The only relief comes from the ocean breezes or being out on the water...except Doral is about 20 miles inland.

In short, Miami in the summer is brutal. And Doral - like the rest of the inland region - is drained swamp. Nobody is unhappy not to have to trudge there.
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I think Tempe Jeff is the kind of guy who grabs a waitress' ass and then gets body-slammed by her, and the whole thing is captured on security cameras so becomes a viral video.
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Did the other members of G7 agree to this, or was it Trump’s decision?
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LOL, the Democratic Party Media whined about the first G7 location. Now, they get an hour bus ride each way to cover the Conference.
Is that illegal?
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Congrats? Do you think that's the job of the so-called president? Do you think that if the so-called president of the United States trolls the media that he is deserving of an extra scoop of ice cream?
Shit, buddy. What a fucked up world conservatives inhabit. I'm real glad that it makes no sense to me.
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37% occupancy. It's not a very good place to do anything.

Trump wasn't lying when he said he would not make a profit from it, the Doral is a money loser all the time.
Is it also a casino?
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OP, do you realize the Constitution forbids the president from using his office for profit? Or do you only pay attention to the gun rights part?
After spending their entire lives cherry-picking the Bible and portions of the 2nd Amendment (ALL THAT SHIT ABOUT "WELL-REGULATED MILITIA'S" IS IRRELEVANT, ONLY THE PHRASE "RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS" MATTERS, GAWDDAMMIT, OR I'M GOING TO SHOOT UP A SCHOOL, LIBTARDS!!), calling the emoluments clauses "fake news" is rather easy.

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https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/...454832129?s=20

The Constitution is now fake news to Trump and his asshole supporters. I mean, it always has been... like the Bible, for conservatives it exists more for identity politics than for actual reading and reflection... but still.

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He was trying to line his own pockets again. It was open and shameless violation of the Emoluments Clause, it was open and shameless corruption.
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And says things like, "Better Russian than Democrat!"

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Not too sure that was a direct quote there, SteveG1. I could be wrong, though.

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Come on, you sheep! The so-called 'Constitution' us part of the Deep State conspiracy!
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Not too sure that was a direct quote there, SteveG1. I could be wrong, though.
Well, I'll apologize IF it turns out he wasn't saying that himself.
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I repeat my sincere request for the Board's "conservatives" to help us understand "conservative" thought.

What did you think of your President's plan to host the G7 summit at his own resort?

It appears Tempe Jeff has already weighed in. The rest of you?
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Come on, you sheep! The so-called 'Constitution' is part of the Deep State conspiracy!
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The Deepest. A conspiracy against Trump and his lifestyle, hatched three hundred years ago by a bunch of cucked powder wig socialist libtards. How deep does the rabbit hole go !? Watch Sean Hannity tonight as he'll reveal the shocking ties between George Washington, globalist Freemasonry and even... THE BRITISH MONARCHY ! YES ! Did you know George Washington was once part of the most militant arm of the British monarchy ? They were known as... the redcoats. *spooky bats taking flight noise*

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It appears Tempe Jeff has already weighed in.
Tempe Jeff lacks the cognitive skills to weigh in on anything. He just channels what he hears on Fox News, like a talking parrot attached to a parrot-to-text device.
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The Deepest. A conspiracy against Trump and his lifestyle, hatched three hundred years ago by a bunch of cucked powder wig socialist libtards. How deep does the rabbit hole go !? Watch Sean Hannity tonight as he'll reveal the shocking ties between George Washington, globalist Freemasonry and even... THE BRITISH MONARCHY ! YES ! Did you know George Washington was once part of the most militant arm of the British monarchy ? They were known as... the redcoats. *spooky bats taking flight noise*
Oh my God, you're killing me with laughter here. You rule, Kobal2.
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Butbutbut... the Doral can't be making money at 37% occupancy, and filling it up "at cost" would at least cover expenses so the staff could get paid. Just think of all the illegal aliens on the payroll that Trump is keeping from raping and murdering Americans not to mention keeping them from getting welfare, free medical care and free schooling. You are destroying America if you move the summit!
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Just think of all the illegal aliens on the payroll
I have nothing personally against the undocumented, but it sure would have been a hoot to have the INS raid the place the morning of the summit. Alas, it is not to be.
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I have nothing personally against the undocumented, but it sure would have been a hoot to have the INS raid the place the morning of the summit. Alas, it is not to be.
Would not have happened. The former INS is now three agencies, USCIS, ICE, and CPB, and all three are run by Trump henchmen. Such a raid would have been conducted by ICE, and in this administration where self-serving corruption is the #1 rule that supersedes all others, you can be sure that ICE is under double-strict orders to keep hands off all Trump properties. It's the same principle that directs US government business to them.
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Serious question, ignoring the obvious conflict of interest, is the resort actually a good place to host such a summit?
No. I've been to a conference at Doral - one with much less difficult requirements than the G7 meeting - and it wasn't good. Bear in mind that this is a resort that opened in 1962 and has only been a Trump resort since 2012, and that it looks every inch of its 50 years of age.

To be fair, its primary golf courses was good enough to host a PGA event until 2006.
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Tempe Jeff lacks the cognitive skills to weigh in on anything. He just channels what he hears on Fox News, like a talking parrot attached to a parrot-to-text device.
That does it! From now on, I'm going to continue to never go to Tempe.
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Honestly, the Doral Resort doesn't sound that bad. Here it is with 4.5 stars on Trip Advisor with 2k reviews. Honestly that sounds like the hotel usually cleans the carpet and keeps the bedbug count down. Unless Trip Advisor scores can be manipulated or bought off, not sure.
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Honestly, the Doral Resort doesn't sound that bad. Here it is with 4.5 stars on Trip Advisor with 2k reviews. Honestly that sounds like the hotel usually cleans the carpet and keeps the bedbug count down. Unless Trip Advisor scores can be manipulated or bought off, not sure.
Anyone can write a review on TA, you don't even need to have been within coo-ee of the joint.
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Honestly, the Doral Resort doesn't sound that bad. Here it is with 4.5 stars on Trip Advisor with 2k reviews. Honestly that sounds like the hotel usually cleans the carpet and keeps the bedbug count down. Unless Trip Advisor scores can be manipulated or bought off, not sure.
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Anyone can write a review on TA, you don't even need to have been within coo-ee of the joint.
And looking at the reviews, there's an awful lot who have only ever left a single review on TA. That is definitely a warning sign.
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Really? Trump Tower in NYC, the place where he actually has his home, has been documented as a dump, except of course for select areas. Other Trump properties have been the subject of numerous lawsuits from disgruntled investors and condo owners. #winning!
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It has a thousand more reviews than the next highest count of hotels in the area. I wouldn't trust any review written in the last few years, either way.
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That does it! From now on, I'm going to continue to never go to Tempe.
If you feel a need to go down to the shithole states, try Tucson for the smoked beef burritos and New Mexico for the green chile everything. A weekend should be long enough to get you longing for civilization again.
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And looking at the reviews, there's an awful lot who have only ever left a single review on TA. That is definitely a warning sign.
So instead of just taking some of the $180 a night a room in this resort will cost you and spending it on cleaning and upkeep, they spend a smaller sum of money on manipulating the reviews of the place. And then ripping guests off with a shoddy experience with their honest reviews drowned out by the "fake news" of all the fake reviews.

Sigh. Not only is this scummy and probably illegal, it's not how you build long term value. Toyota doesn't drown out all the negative reviews of their cars breaking down with 'fake news' - they instead spend a lot of their money actually making their cars better. They don't have a spotless record but they have a decent one.

For all the contractors Trump stiffed, doesn't he end up paying all the money he saved and then some because other contractors charge a 20%+ "Trump premium" when they bid on jobs?

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So instead of just taking some of the $180 a night a room in this resort will cost you and spending it on cleaning and upkeep, they spend a smaller sum of money on manipulating the reviews of the place.
Or it may just be Trump supporters' way of showing their support for the Dear Leader.
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A bill introduction that is likely to end as merely symbolic has an appropriate name.
"A group of Senate Democrats introduced legislation Monday that would block the Trump administration from holding meetings with foreign heads of state at Trump-owned properties.
Sens. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), Ed Markey (Mass.) and Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii) introduced the Scrutinizing White House Activities that Make Profits (SWAMP) Act.
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“It’s time for Congress to step in and make it crystal clear: President Trump cannot profiteer off of his meetings with foreign leaders — not with the G-7, not ever,” Merkley said in a statement."

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...s-from-hosting
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No. I've been to a conference at Doral - one with much less difficult requirements than the G7 meeting - and it wasn't good. Bear in mind that this is a resort that opened in 1962 and has only been a Trump resort since 2012, and that it looks every inch of its 50 years of age.

To be fair, its primary golf courses was good enough to host a PGA event until 2006.
I stayed there for a couple of nights last year (I'm in the travel industry, and this is where the event was). It's a bog-standard Marriott or Sheraton with gold-colored fixtures. All of the security and logistics issues aside, I think it would be a pretty embarrassing place to "show off" to foreign leaders.

I'm not sure exactly how many rooms are needed for the G7 to account for staff and security, etc., but I can think of a half-dozen much better locations off the top of my head, and I'm sure I could come up with a dozen more after a little research.
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As for how many rooms are needed, the answer seems to be thousands. This NYT article says, "The event draws as many as 7,000 people, including security personnel, news media, diplomats, heads of state and support staff, meaning an overall price tag that can run into the hundreds of millions of dollars, once security is included.

The host government typically covers the cost of 20 hotel rooms per country — but that is the start of what each nation needs, according to a second former State Department official."
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Really? Trump Tower in NYC, the place where he actually has his home, has been documented as a dump, except of course for select areas. Other Trump properties have been the subject of numerous lawsuits from disgruntled investors and condo owners. #winning!
Jeeze, my asthma is acting up and that link nearly killed me!

I love how he acts like polished and lacquered architectural bronze is "gold."
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I'm not sure exactly how many rooms are needed for the G7 to account for staff and security, etc., but I can think of a half-dozen much better locations off the top of my head, and I'm sure I could come up with a dozen more after a little research.
I'm a little biased, but if I was going to host the G7, I'd do it in Orlando. More conference space and hotel beds than any non-megalopolis, and no security issues (heck, Disney already has its own no-fly zone).
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You need to look at the important G7 conference requirements. Where else could Donny go golfing right on the property every time he gets bored with all the talking about stuff other than him?
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I'm a little biased, but if I was going to host the G7, I'd do it in Orlando. More conference space and hotel beds than any non-megalopolis, and no security issues (heck, Disney already has its own no-fly zone).
If I had to host a conference in June, I'd do it in the Catskills.
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For sure. They'll have the time of their lives.
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You need to look at the important G7 conference requirements. Where else could Donny go golfing right on the property every time he gets bored with all the talking about stuff other than him?
He wouldn't have been able to do it there, either, if the reports that the only place suitable to put the (required) helipads was on the golf course are correct.
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