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Old 12-07-2017, 07:59 AM
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Another company is ready to make an offer; I conducted pre-employment drug screening yesterday.
They shouldn't be sending you for drug screening until an offer has been made.
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Old 12-07-2017, 08:01 AM
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My FB page is, IMO, pretty benign; YMMV. OMMV. I do have one quasi-rant about my current employer from over a year ago. So...possible, I suppose.
I'm sure others have already responded, but this is probably what did it. The background checks often do include checking anything that's available on social media, and you'd be surprised what they can find despite your settings, and you'd be even more surprised at what archived information they can find even when you think you've deleted it.

A warning to all: Never, ever rant about your employer on Facebook or any social media - that's the one thing that employers absolutely do not want to see - ever. Doesn't matter that it was a year ago; when they look at it, it's as though it happened early this afternoon and they don't care. They don't even want you talking about your employer for even benign reasons - privacy, propriety information, etc. You can rant about a lot of other things, even some things employers may personally disagree about (which isn't advisable but most of the time won't cost you). But you can't rant about your employer - ever.
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Old 12-07-2017, 08:06 AM
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The FB quasi-rant is gone, deleted, per other's advice.
You may not like this but I would even consider completely deleting your entire account. Not just idling it but completely deleting the account permanently. There may be ways for certain background investigation companies to find archived data. Social media companies say they delete your data, but I highly doubt it. They have backups. Your information, your pictures, your posts, your thoughts -- it's THEIR property. That's the agreement you signed when you opened the account. Lay off FB for a while and then come back with a new account in a few months (link it to a different email address so that FB will not link it to your old account). You may also want to change your public posting profile with some variant of your real name so that your friends know who you are but that you're less easy to find by background screeners.
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Old 12-07-2017, 09:04 AM
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My daughter is a nurse. She's occasionally looking/applying for jobs.

For years she's maintained two Facebook pages. One is Firstname, Lastname. It is squeeky clean with only a few close friends (including me) who like/comment on the sporadic posts she makes.

Her "real" page is Nickname, Middlename. She has many friends and doesn't pull any punches. You would never find this page doing simple searches for her on Facebook.

When applying for a job she volunteers her sterile Facebook page. She told me many of her friends do this.
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Old 12-07-2017, 09:44 AM
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When applying for a job she volunteers her sterile Facebook page.
What do you mean, she "volunteers" her sterile Facebook page? Do her employers ask for a link to her Facebook page as part of her job application or something?
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Old 12-07-2017, 09:50 AM
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Thank you all for the good info, and advice.

I'm recalibrating/reassessing, along with continuing job searches and ongoing interviews until/as such I walk into my new employer's facility and "clock in" on my first day of work.

A question for asahi: if FB owns everything I've put up, would closing my FB account actually delete everything currently in my account? Pics and posts and status updates and all? Such that no investigative agency/data mining attempts could never find it?

Seriously, that one quasi-rant is about the only thing I can see in my FB account that any prospective employer might reasonably object to. Everything else is vacation pics of sunsets and beaches, mountains and such; family and friends at various holiday gatherings; "likes" on kitten and puppy pics; all pretty benign stuff.

My quasi rant was "G-rated;" no profanity, no threats, no pejoratives hurled at any one by name; it's pretty much what you could hear anyone say (but much "cleaner,' with no alcohol involved!) about their employer at any after work happy hour bull-session at any bar/grill in any city in...the World.

And it was just the one; it's not like I have a "Weekly Update" of my "grievances" at work. Paraphrasing from memory (since I deleted it):

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Been thinking about dusting off my resume and looking around a bit to see what's available. Things at work are getting kind of strange, and overall, the "culture" has changed in just a short period of time such that it's not really the job I started at a little over a year ago.
Words to that effect, posted about 14 months ago. And I didn't act on that until 2 months ago!
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Old 12-07-2017, 10:49 AM
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What do you mean, she "volunteers" her sterile Facebook page? Do her employers ask for a link to her Facebook page as part of her job application or something?
Yes, it has come up. On her CV she lists it as well.
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Old 12-07-2017, 12:01 PM
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So ... are you advising against giving two weeks notice once you've signed and submitted a written offer? If so, at what point would you say it's appropriate to give two weeks notice?
Give notice only if the company gives notice or severance pay to lay-offs.

Or if they just have security walk you to the door as soon as you give notice.
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Old 12-07-2017, 12:23 PM
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So ... are you advising against giving two weeks notice once you've signed and submitted a written offer? If so, at what point would you say it's appropriate to give two weeks notice?
I'm not really saying anything about the advisability of giving notice, only that people generally aren't going to have a viable legal case against a prospective employer in cases like ExTank's.

That said, giving notice can be a bit of a hazard regardless since some employers will walk you out of the building the moment you give your notice. Then you're out two weeks' pay, unless you're lucky enough to have accrued vacation/PTO, or the employer's policy is to pay for the two weeks even though you aren't working. My previous employer did that as a matter of course, and if I didn't have a very good personal relationship with the partner I worked for (and if that partner didn't block the policy in our department), I would not have given notice in order to protect myself. As it turned out, my new employer wanted me to start ASAP, but I gave three weeks' notice because I was very fond of my old boss.

Unfortunately, custom and convention says that you give notice, and failing to do so will often make you ineligible for rehire. So I'd say that as long as you have assurances from all stakeholders (and you can generally rely on a written offer as such assurance, as long as it isn't expressly contingent on something), you'd have to be very unlucky to have an offer withdrawn.

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Old 12-07-2017, 12:54 PM
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Wow. What a shitty situation.

I think I would write to them asking for (actually, sort-of-demanding) a more detailed rationale for their decision. I doubt they will respond with anything useful, but I think if nothing else, it could be good to reclaim the moral high ground.
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Not really interested in moral high ground; it's an "at will" employment state, with some union protections. If you're a member of a union; I am, but that only applies to my current place of employment, not any prospective place(s) of employment, unless they're also under contract with my current union.

So the prospective employer who ganked me has no legal obligation to tell me much more than "pound sand," and I kindly doubt that any "moral" argument will have any more effect on them than the legal one.
You mentioned a third party was involved in your having been put in contact with this employer. If thatís their business model, perhaps such a follow-up would affect their willingness to act as a broker on future job openings (or at least influence the advice they give to job-seekers whom they send round).
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Old 12-07-2017, 01:20 PM
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I had something similar happen - dream job offer with a government office in Winnipeg. Seriously was my dream job at the time - background check was the only thing left, and my top secret was still active, so it was not going to be an issue. I gave notice at the well-paying but horrible contract job I had at the time.
Until the position was cancelled and the decision made to handle all communications at the National level. Job gone, poof! That sucked. I am sorry this happened to you.
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Old 12-07-2017, 01:52 PM
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Unfortunately, custom and convention says that you give notice, and failing to do so will often make you ineligible for rehire.
Not any longer. Now, too many companies are not giving notice themselves (or severance) or once a employee gives notice they hand them their final paycheck and security escorts them out the door. Companies can't expect to be treated better than they treat their employees.

So, ask around , find out what the company does when a worked gives notice.
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Old 12-07-2017, 02:19 PM
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Not any longer. Now, too many companies are not giving notice themselves (or severance) or once a employee gives notice they hand them their final paycheck and security escorts them out the door. Companies can't expect to be treated better than they treat their employees.

So, ask around , find out what the company does when a worked gives notice.
Unless no one ever left the company, it should be pretty obvious what they do. I only know of one case where someone leaving was escorted out, and that was when he was going to a competitor and told management. It seems common practice today is not saying where you are going.

That they can boot you immediately yet expect notice may be unfair, but it does not mean you are going to get a willing to rehire reference. If there is a network there might be stories told about you being obnoxious on it. Also, even if you hate your boss you might not hate the co-workers who will get screwed if you leave stuff hanging.
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Old 12-07-2017, 02:33 PM
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A question for asahi: if FB owns everything I've put up, would closing my FB account actually delete everything currently in my account? Pics and posts and status updates and all? Such that no investigative agency/data mining attempts could never find it?
I want to stress that I'm not an IT guru, so perhaps someone with real expertise could answer this more completely. Moreover, I know I sounded definitive in my earlier post, but I'll walk it back a bit. I can't know with absolute certainty that this is what got your offer(s) rescinded, but it just seems like this is the most likely culprit -- either that, or it's possible one of your references and/or past managers isn't being particularly helpful to you. I

To answer your question, deleting your account would, after a certain number of days (more like a few months, actually) purge the account data that was on your Facebook page, which would be a lot. However, if you've commented on someone else's page, it would be there on their page until they remove it. It might be more difficult to find, but it's possible that some of that information (likes, responses, etc) would be there on their pages. But I'm guessing the comments that would alarm them the most would be eventually gone once your posts are removed from your account.

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Seriously, that one quasi-rant is about the only thing I can see in my FB account that any prospective employer might reasonably object to.
Is it a mid-sized to large company you applied to? Are they involved in sensitive work of any kind? I don't think companies are necessarily that concerned with someone bitching about a hard day at work - they know people are usually more eager to clock out than clock in. But if they're involved in sensitive work and/or if they're a large firm, even one outspoken Facebook ranter represents a potential problem from their point of view. It's just too easy for an employee's comments to become problematic nowadays.
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Old 12-07-2017, 02:47 PM
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I think closing a FB account and being paranoid about one anti-work rant is WAY overboard. I wouldn't worry about it at all. I'd bet my annual bonus that the reason the OP didn't get the job had nothing to do with a mild rant posted over a year ago. He's not running for electoral office or applying to join the secret service.
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:26 PM
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The prospective employer, like my soon-to-be-former-employer, makes corrugated "sheet" cardboard. The only difference is that the prospective employer also does Flexo. Nothing at all "sensitive" or even proprietary in their process; I'd be hard pressed to believe that there's anything all that proprietary or confidential in their customer base, either.

"Sheet" customers routinely "jump" from one provider to another, then back again, as the market and/or their particular need dictates. I don't know how wide this story went, but locally, we picked up many customers from this incident, until Loy-Lange was back up-and-running; even then we retained more than a few of their (former) customers.

Like I said earlier, my FB post was very G-rated, precisely because I knew it was going "out," it was going "public," so I minded my language and tone, and did not get into any kind of detailed specifics about my disaffection, or otherwise reveal internal policies/procedures about my soon-to-be-former-employer; just intimated that hours were getting longer, and mandatory OT was becoming more prevalent, to the point that it was beginning to impinge (unduly, IMO) in our already scant time off.

Hell, our department is almost 24/7/365, but we have a nice rotating schedule that gets us a 3-day weekend every other week, and 3-days off as well during every other week. Downside is, when it's your weekend to work, and it happens to fall on XMas Day, or the 4th of July, or Memorial Day, tough noogies; it your turn in the barrel.

Okay, fair 'nuf; what goes around comes around.

I acknowledged that yes, people go on vacation, and occasionally people call off on short notice, and shifts need to be covered; 4-out-of-5 times, I'm "Reliable Rob," the guy that steps up and comes in and covers. In reality, I'm a bit of an OT whore, but even a whore can get tired of being...screwed

So when I work 5 out of 6 weekends in a row, and then plan, months in advance, a long weekend vacation (actually taking vacation days!) over the Thanksgiving Holiday(s) as my shift rotation aligns perfectly with the holiday, and then have my vacation canceled days before I head out of town...yeah, I'd had enough of that. And it still took me the better part of a year to "get off the dime" and actually do something about it.

Which is why I'm interviewing with other employers.

Sorry, didn't mean to rant; I had my exit interview today. My immediate boss understood; the "front office' types did not, and there was some drama. It was all on their side, as I kept my cool, replied calmly, politely, and refused to be drawn into debate or argument about the "soundness" of my reasons.

I simply stated, politely and professionally, my reasons for leaving.

Basically, I'm not the only guy leaving our department; another guy gave notice for 5 January, and yet another is lining up for a nice "run for the door." So an already lean and short-handed department is about to lose 50% of their Night Shift, and that is likely to turn into 75% in very short order.

That has the "front office" types panties in a twist.

Day Shift is shitting a brick, too.
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Old 12-09-2017, 12:32 PM
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To answer your question, deleting your account would, after a certain number of days (more like a few months, actually) purge the account data that was on your Facebook page, which would be a lot. However, if you've commented on someone else's page, it would be there on their page until they remove it. It might be more difficult to find, but it's possible that some of that information (likes, responses, etc) would be there on their pages. But I'm guessing the comments that would alarm them the most would be eventually gone once your posts are removed from your account.
My brother had to delete his account on the advice of his lawyer, and when he did so, all comments he made on other posts were deleted, too. This makes those "facebook memories" posts odd to look at sometimes because we'll be responding to comments he made that are no longer there.
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