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Old 02-03-2014, 07:24 AM
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The little bit of a gold chain they found looks to me more like something to "salt the mine" than pirate booty, too, especially since they didn't find more. There's a sucker born every minute.
What's even easier than dropping some gold chain down the hole is spreading a rumor that gold was found.
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Old 02-03-2014, 09:40 AM
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ISTR that nothing exists of the "three gold links" except one grainy photo. Ditto for the "scrap of parchment with 'vi' on it." Which is at least more than most of the other claimed physical evidence, noted only anecdotally and long after the fact.
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Old 02-03-2014, 09:58 AM
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Sir Christopher Wren... Buccaneer!
Wouldn't be the only time pirates and science mixed...
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Old 12-08-2014, 07:43 AM
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Is anyone still watching this since they've started a second season? I've been keeping up with it, but I'm sure glad I can record it and skip the commercials, all the "infighting" and such gets old. I'm guessing they still haven't found anything of note, though the wood could be interesting.
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Old 12-08-2014, 08:08 AM
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My Wife watches it, as do I if I'm home when she does.
Had I a pirate treasure, I would let it be known that I had buried it on Oak Island with tricks and traps, and quietly sail off to spend my money.
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Old 12-08-2014, 08:40 AM
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The fellows digging there now would seem to attract crackpots and con artists at a prodigious rate.
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Old 12-08-2014, 08:45 AM
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There's a series of tunnels not far from me. I made a video about it. Does that mean pirates dug it or buried treasure there? No, it just means I live in karst country.
[Conspiracy Theory]OR
You're trying to hide something.[/CT]
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Old 12-08-2014, 09:00 AM
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That's what you'd like us to believe, Musicat!
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Old 12-08-2014, 09:42 AM
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They took the fibers they found to a lab and had it confirmed as coconut fibers.
What, in Nova Scotia? The coconut's tropical!
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Old 12-08-2014, 10:05 AM
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The fellows digging there now would seem to attract crackpots and con artists at a prodigious rate.
The crackpots might be the best part of the show! I mean at least two of them seem to have given the same Knights of Templar sign and they both pointed to the "swamp".

I think they're gonna dug up the Ark of the Covenant and inside that will be the lost works of William Shakespeare.
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Old 12-08-2014, 10:09 AM
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I think they're gonna dug up the Ark of the Covenant and inside that will be the lost works of William Shakespeare.
As likely as Pirate Treasure.

Perhaps they know that it is a lost cause and are trying to recoup money from the History Channel.

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Old 12-08-2014, 11:08 PM
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They took the fibers they found to a lab and had it confirmed as coconut fibers.
Was that the same lab that confirmed the BigFoot scat?
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Old 12-09-2014, 12:01 AM
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An interesting theory here concerning sink holes and an old Viking ship. It's as good a theory as any and one that does not rely upon hidden treasure. I have no idea if the contributor is mental, or has instead given us a beautiful resolution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hUr...U0Hz1WtohNUk-g
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Old 12-09-2014, 12:15 AM
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The coconut's tropical!
[obligatory Monty Python quote]
GUARD #1: Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
ARTHUR: Not at all, they could be carried.
GUARD #1 But then of course African swallows are not migratory.
GUARD #2: Oh, yeah...
GUARD #1: So they couldn't bring a coconut back anyway...
GUARD #2: Wait a minute -- supposing two swallows carried it together?
GUARD #1: No, they'd have to have it on a line.
GUARD #2: Well, simple! They'd just use a standard creeper!
GUARD #1: What, held under the dorsal guiding feathers?

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Old 12-09-2014, 07:04 AM
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An interesting theory here concerning sink holes and an old Viking ship. It's as good a theory as any and one that does not rely upon hidden treasure. I have no idea if the contributor is mental, or has instead given us a beautiful resolution.
That at least makes a lot more sense then any of the other crazies out there. No, wait, he can't be right, he just said there were no aliens involved!

I'm waiting for them to analyze the wood they've found, wonder if they will even do that. At least we get a new one tonight.
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Old 12-09-2014, 10:58 AM
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Watching this show makes me amazed and curious at how difficult it must be to dig a simple shaft. Humanity builds deep multi-level underground structures easily, somehow we manage to build underground parking garages in Florida without the help of aliens and pirates.

And you can't throw a rock without hitting a mason, these guys are everywhere! I loved seeing their ornate carved wood thrones at the lodge

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Who keeps the metric system down?
We do, we do!"
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Old 12-09-2014, 11:06 AM
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Watching this show makes me amazed and curious at how difficult it must be to dig a simple shaft. Humanity builds deep multi-level underground structures easily, somehow we manage to build underground parking garages in Florida without the help of aliens and pirates.
This is the most ill-funded treasure hunt ever. When ever they have to move something, they use whatever branch is laying around as a pry bar. Their equipment is laughable.
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Old 12-09-2014, 12:52 PM
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It's called a blowhole: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowhole_(geology)

That wiki basically describes what we have at Oak Island, in it's entirety. Then, WAG is that erosion occurred and it started to cave in and then just becomes more of an inland saltwater pool. Maybe some natives gave the blowhole some significance, some offerings maybe, hence the debris. But, really, you have a lot of time for stuff to make its way across and around the oceans to get caught in an underground cave system. Why the platforms... who knows, maybe they wanted to see how it worked? And build scaffolding to check it out?

Very common on land near the sea where there is strong currents. I remember in 2002 walking on the (recently) volcanic part of Hawai'i and having a geyser of water shoot off next to me. I almost crapped myself.
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Old 12-09-2014, 01:01 PM
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I'm guessing they still haven't found anything of note, though the wood could be interesting.
I'm expecting them to find treasure the same day one of those other shows finds ghosts or Bigfoot.
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Old 12-09-2014, 01:29 PM
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I'm expecting them to find treasure the same day one of those other shows finds ghosts or Bigfoot.
Perhaps the money pit is haunted by bigfoot ghosts.
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Old 12-09-2014, 02:55 PM
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Perhaps the money pit is haunted by bigfoot ghosts.
Then they would have found gold. RATINGS GOLD!
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Old 12-09-2014, 03:13 PM
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I really think that three young men (not "kids" the oldest was about 30) did find a pulley and what looked like a "pit" under it. They likely dug down, maybe found a platform, then it got flooded. There's no "flood tunnels". Yes, they found coconut fiber, which is no big deal, the drains were likely to make sea salt to preserve fish.

Maybe a ship did pull in there and made repairs. It is called "Oak island" for a reason, they may have cut down a oak tree for some wood.

Heck, we did some digging like this for treasure too, out in the CA desert, during our college years. Found some cool minerals. Sold some to rock hound shops, made maybe $100 for about 5-10 days hard work for three guys.

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Old 12-26-2015, 11:41 AM
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If it were real it wouldn't be on tv

"Reality" t.v. ischeap t.v. Before Survivor we watched reality t.v. which was people entertaining us in a make believe world. Those people were professionals though and professionals cost more than "real" people. The cable networks especially have opted to skimp on viewer entertainment, by hoarding the money the sponsors pay them to the network (corp) itself, instead of actors who are paid outlandishly; they pay Rick and Cory and Mike and Frank and Rick and Marty a fraction of what Jerry Seinfeld made.

Personally, I get pissed off when the idiot box thinks I would find it entertaining to listen to some narrator ask ME the viewer what the outcome or plot of the program they produced could be.

I hate "reality" t.v.
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Old 12-27-2015, 07:20 AM
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The exploration that was carried out in the 1960s-70s at Oak Island involved sinking a shaft into another part of the island (far way from the original money pit). I recall that some people wound up dead during these operations. It was claimed that there were a complex of caves under the island-has this ever been verified? hard for me to belive, as i don't think Oak island is underlain by limestone.
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Old 12-27-2015, 01:38 PM
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The exploration that was carried out in the 1960s-70s at Oak Island involved sinking a shaft into another part of the island (far way from the original money pit). I recall that some people wound up dead during these operations. It was claimed that there were a complex of caves under the island-has this ever been verified? hard for me to belive, as i don't think Oak island is underlain by limestone.
From http://www.csicop.org/si/show/secrets_of_oak_island/
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The new century brought continued searches, with the digging of innumerable drill holes, shafts, and tunnels-so many that “The entire Money Pit area has been topographically demolished, changing completely its original appearance and rendering old maps and charts useless” (Crooker 1978, 190). In 1965 there came yet another tragedy when four men died in a shaft after being overcome either by swamp gas or engine fumes (O'Connor 1988, 143-145).
Other links I posted earlier:
http://skeptoid.com/episode.php?id=4129&no_mobile=true
http://www.criticalenquiry.org/oakisland/

I haven't read through these in a while but I think they may have some info about the geology/geography.
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Old 12-27-2015, 05:00 PM
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Since this thread has been awakened...
Regarding coconut fiber; apparently it was commonly used for ropes and packaging material on sailing ships, so it shouldn't be a surprise that it accumulated on and near the beaches of an island in Nova Scotia.

Also, that area has experienced the repeated advance and retreat of glaciers. I would assume that each instance would leave a new layer of gravel and plant debris (including wood).
http://novascotia.ca/natr/meb/fieldtrip/glacier.asp

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Old 03-02-2017, 09:58 AM
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I'm bumping this to see if anyone else has watched the latest season. I kept watching, though I'm not really sure why any more.

For those that didn't really watch, they did find some interesting items this season, especially the British coins. Why they don't continue to at least explore that area I don't know. It might not be "treasure" but it is some interesting historical stuff.

Not sure what to make of the metal they found, of course in the last episode. It was pretty deep down, but I don't know how deep some of the other's had dug down.

I can only watch this on my DVR, too much recap any more. I can usually finish one in 25-30 minutes.
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Old 03-02-2017, 08:45 PM
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The Lagina brothers were inspired onto their quest by an article in Reader's Digest. I remember reading it back in 1965. I was at just the right age where it seemed perfectly reasonable - that pirates really would dig a 130 ft deep hole and rig it was elaborate flood tunnels and so forth. It was like reading Peter Pan or Treasure Island, but it was a Real Place!

And, like the Laginas, I have had a soft spot for the Oak Island Mystery ever since. It's really my "guy" thing. I don't watch sports - ever. No football (either kind), baseball, auto racing, hockey, or any of the rest of it. I don't drink alcohol - ever. I don't have a tattoo. I don't own a pick-up truck. I don't have a garage full of tools. I don't have a half-completed antique car or bathroom project that has lingered a few years too long.

Really... the only stereotypical thing .... the thing that causes my wife to roll her eyes every time ... is Oak Island. It's a sickness, I know.
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Old 03-02-2017, 08:53 PM
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Really... the only stereotypical thing .... the thing that causes my wife to roll her eyes every time ... is Oak Island. It's a sickness, I know.
She doesn't know how well off she is.
Perhaps she didn't date much before you were married.
Score!
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Old 03-02-2017, 10:40 PM
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The Lagina brothers were inspired onto their quest by an article in Reader's Digest. I remember reading it back in 1965....
My boss thinks that I, a degreed archaeologist turned engineer, will enjoy this. Yeah, when I was 11. He's never heard of "salting a mine," much less its use in keeping reality shows on the air.
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Old 03-03-2017, 12:18 AM
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I enjoy watching it. They are sure spending lots of someone's money and drilling some big holes. The divers that drop down the 180 foot deep holes full of water and debris are crazy brave.

The last show was a bit puzzling. They have an archaeologist who dates things and came up with a very early date for that piece of heavy angle with the drilled holes, something older than 1700, I forget exactly.

Hmm. Anything that old is going to be iron not steel, and this looked like a piece of modern plate steel bent sharply into a 90 degree angle. And it had really nice round holes, maybe 3/4". I know blacksmiths can punch holes but these looked too regular. And they came up with at least 2 hexagonal nuts!!! In the 17th century? Hex nuts are pretty much 20th century. These were simply not mentioned by the archaeologist at all.

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Old 03-03-2017, 05:51 AM
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I'm a hardened skeptic about most things in life. Although I have rose colored glasses when it comes to Oak Island, I think we would all agree that there are two primary conceits:

1) That the Oak Island Mystery is legitimate

2) That the TV show about the mystery is legitimate

It pains me to say it, but I am a skeptic about the first one. It's hard not to be.

I was really wondering about the second one, especially given the History Channel's recent infatuation with Ancient Aliens and the like. But, the fourth hole has convinced me otherwise. They intended to dig 2 holes. But, they ended up digging 4. That's because they desperately want to find something - anything - that will support their narrative and provide an additional season (AKA funding). If they were going to stoop to salting the mine, they would've surely done it before digging that fourth hole.

If I have to fast forward through them visiting a rock that sort of, but not really, looks like it's got a face carved on it ... and a bunch of Templar crap ... just to get to some legitimate investigation, I'm willing to do that. It's unfortunate. But, the bills have to get paid.
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Old 03-04-2017, 10:42 AM
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They were on Colbert recently they seemed to be deliberately tanking the interview. Rambling aimlessly about the usual fake history stuff instead of answering his questions.

Yeah, these guys are not representative of actual reality. My BS meter is pinned.
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Old 03-04-2017, 04:10 PM
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I found that interview here. It looked to me like they were a little overwhelmed by the show and wondered how to best summarize their work for the last 10 years.

It is a complex story - one that requires a fair amount of detail. Very strange that they chose to bring coconut fiber (spoiler!) along with them to the show.
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