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Old 10-02-2017, 09:09 AM
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A new record! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!

At least 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas shooting. Just another red-blooded American taking advantage of his Second Amendment freedoms! And not only that, he set a new record for deaths in a mass shooting. What a tough mark for the next guy to try to top, but I'm sure it'll happen soon enough. Go U.S.A.!
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:12 AM
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I'm wondering how the NRA and gun nuts will spin this to suggest what we really need are more guns to prevent things like this from happening.

EDIT: Also, CNN has the injured at 400. Many came from the stampede the shooting caused.

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Old 10-02-2017, 09:13 AM
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Now, now, guns don't kill people; it's those little hard things that come out of them.
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:13 AM
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You may also be pleased to know that the stock prices for gun manufacturers is up in pre-market trading. Ruger is up 4%, and Smith & Wesson up 5%.

Investors clearly know who is really responsible for the tragedy, as MGM stocks are down about 5%. I like hotels that keep gunmen out. Sad!
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:25 AM
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I'm wondering how the NRA and gun nuts will spin this to suggest what we really need are more guns to prevent things like this from happening.
Yeah, if everyone in the crowd was carrying, then...400 people would be shooting 9mm up 36 floors back at the shooter, and probably killing or injuring dozens more people staying in the hotel. What could go wrong?

Bets the cheetolini won't even acknowedge that the shooting happened, and that the "T" word will not be uttered by the admin or Faux news?
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:28 AM
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I'm wondering how the NRA and gun nuts will spin this to suggest what we really need are more guns to prevent things like this from happening.
who needs the NRA? just heard a CBS reporter interviewing a man who assumes we need to re-visit arming all the hotel's security staff. because guns are the answer.
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:35 AM
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:38 AM
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EDIT: Also, CNN has the injured at 400. Many came from the stampede the shooting caused.
Well, that's their fault. They should have stampeded up 30 stories of hotel wall to charge the shooter!
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:39 AM
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But if they took the guns away the nutter would have just killed all those people with a knife, or something...
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:41 AM
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Gun company CEOs are giddy with joy today.

Stocks way up. At least someone is happy.

Sandy Hook victim's mother: Congress to blame in Las Vegas shooting

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Old 10-02-2017, 09:43 AM
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. . . Bets the cheetolini won't even acknowedge that the shooting happened, and that the "T" word will not be uttered by the admin or Faux news?
Alex Jones will claim the whole thing was staged by actors, just like Sandy Hook.
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:45 AM
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I blame those NFL players who take a knee during the National Anthem. It's that kind of total disrespect for our flag that encourages these shooters.
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:46 AM
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Yeah, if everyone in the crowd was carrying, then...400 people would be shooting 9mm up 36 floors back at the shooter, and probably killing or injuring dozens more people staying in the hotel. What could go wrong?

Bets the cheetolini won't even acknowedge that the shooting happened, and that the "T" word will not be uttered by the admin or Faux news?
He acknowledged it a couple of hours ago.
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:51 AM
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Sadly, for many people the carnage is the price they are all too willing to accept for the "right" to amass a large arsenal and fantasize about someday ending someone's life.
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:53 AM
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who needs the NRA? just heard a CBS reporter interviewing a man who assumes we need to re-visit arming all the hotel's security staff. because guns are the answer.
Well... having a trained, practiced, ex-police or ex-military security officer on-site, with a licensed and registered firearm, to provide an immediate response and coordinate with the police and other first responders, is not necessarily the worst idea.

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Old 10-02-2017, 09:58 AM
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My thoughts are with all the injured, who will probably now be bankrupted for needing hospital care. America!!!
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:59 AM
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Well... having a trained, practiced, ex-police or ex-military security officer on-site, with a licensed and registered firearm, to provide an immediate response and coordinate with the police and other first responders, is not necessarily the worst idea.
Your response reminds me of this:

‘Twas a dangerous cliff, as they freely confessed,
Though to walk near its crest was so pleasant;
But over its terrible edge there had slipped
A duke and full many a peasant.
So the people said something would have to be done,
But their projects did not at all tally;
Some said, "Put a fence ’round the edge of the cliff,"
Some, "An ambulance down in the valley."

But the cry for the ambulance carried the day,
For it spread through the neighboring city;
A fence may be useful or not, it is true,
But each heart became full of pity
For those who slipped over the dangerous cliff;
And the dwellers in highway and alley
Gave pounds and gave pence, not to put up a fence,
But an ambulance down in the valley.

"For the cliff is all right, if you’re careful," they said,
"And, if folks even slip and are dropping,
It isn’t the slipping that hurts them so much
As the shock down below when they’re stopping."
So day after day, as these mishaps occurred,
Quick forth would those rescuers sally
To pick up the victims who fell off the cliff,
With their ambulance down in the valley.

Then an old sage remarked: "It’s a marvel to me
That people give far more attention
To repairing results than to stopping the cause,
When they’d much better aim at prevention.
Let us stop at its source all this mischief," cried he,
"Come, neighbors and friends, let us rally;
If the cliff we will fence, we might almost dispense
With the ambulance down in the valley."

"Oh he’s a fanatic," the others rejoined,
"Dispense with the ambulance? Never!
He’d dispense with all charities, too, if he could;
No! No! We’ll support them forever.
Aren’t we picking up folks just as fast as they fall?
And shall this man dictate to us? Shall he?
Why should people of sense stop to put up a fence,
While the ambulance works in the valley?"

But the sensible few, who are practical too,
Will not bear with such nonsense much longer;
They believe that prevention is better than cure,
And their party will soon be the stronger.
Encourage them then, with your purse, voice, and pen,
And while other philanthropists dally,
They will scorn all pretense, and put up a stout fence
On the cliff that hangs over the valley.

Better guide well the young than reclaim them when old,
For the voice of true wisdom is calling.
"To rescue the fallen is good, but ’tis best
To prevent other people from falling."
Better close up the source of temptation and crime
Than deliver from dungeon or galley;
Better put a strong fence ’round the top of the cliff
Than an ambulance down in the valley.
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:01 AM
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Sadly, for many people the carnage is the price they are all too willing to accept for the "right" to amass a large arsenal and fantasize about someday ending someone's life.
As a society, we pay a lot of prices for the choices we make. How many died from alcohol-related accidents or the effects of alcohol in the last month? But I figured that this incident would have all of the anti-gun folks climbing out of the woodwork, even those these crazy one-off lone wolf attacks account for only a small percentage of gun deaths.

If this were a thread pitting the asshole who decided it was a good idea to go out and murder 50 people, injuring hundreds more I'd be all over jumping on the bandwagon. Instead, it's just another stupid wankfest, so I'll bow out and let you guys get to wanking.
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:07 AM
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Well... having a trained, practiced, ex-police or ex-military security officer on-site, with a licensed and registered firearm, to provide an immediate response and coordinate with the police and other first responders, is not necessarily the worst idea.
You're used to living in a country where there's an abundant supply of people who know WTF they're doing with guns. (There's something to be said for near-universal conscription.) The U.S. has an abundant supply of people who have guns and fantasize about having a chance to be a hero with it.
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:07 AM
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Well... having a trained, practiced, ex-police or ex-military security officer on-site, with a licensed and registered firearm, to provide an immediate response and coordinate with the police and other first responders, is not necessarily the worst idea.
It's not a particularly good idea, though, considering that all this carnage was committed in four or five minutes total by a sniper-style shooter firing out of a hotel room window. By the time your "trained, practiced" security shooter had figured out what was going on and "provided an immediate [sic] response", hundreds of people would already have been injured or dead.
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:07 AM
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My thoughts are with all of the families that senselessly lost a loved one.
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:10 AM
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Dancing on the graves, pure and simple. And gun grabbers distorting the news to do the dancing.

http://www.newsweek.com/las-vegas-gu...-nevada-675310

"Initial reports on social media appear to have shown that lone-wolf shooter Stephen Paddock used a high-caliber automatic weapon in the the Las Vegas shooting. In footage shared of the attack scores of rounds of ammunition can be heard going off in a matter of seconds.

Such weapons were previously prohibited under the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban which expired in 2004. Several lawmakers have attempted to renew the ban, coming closest, but still failing, after the Newtown school shooting in 2012."

Pure lying and distortion. 1994 law had nothing to do with automatic weapons, which have been essentially banned for 30 years.
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:13 AM
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As a society, we pay a lot of prices for the choices we make. How many died from alcohol-related accidents or the effects of alcohol in the last month? But I figured that this incident would have all of the anti-gun folks climbing out of the woodwork, even those these crazy one-off lone wolf attacks account for only a small percentage of gun deaths.

If this were a thread pitting the asshole who decided it was a good idea to go out and murder 50 people, injuring hundreds more I'd be all over jumping on the bandwagon. Instead, it's just another stupid wankfest, so I'll bow out and let you guys get to wanking.
Well, we've had 338 "crazy one off lone wolf attacks" so far this year in the USA.

Tracker

Last year there were 477.

Their definition is three or more people shot in one event.

These shootings now almost never get on the front page and seldom make even section B of national papers.
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:13 AM
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Dancing on the graves, pure and simple. And gun grabbers distorting the news to do the dancing.
Please. Right wingers would be masturbating like motherfuckers if the shooter had been Muslim, as if that would justify their Islamophobia.
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Dancing on the graves, pure and simple. And gun grabbers distorting the news to do the dancing.

http://www.newsweek.com/las-vegas-gu...-nevada-675310

"Initial reports on social media appear to have shown that lone-wolf shooter Stephen Paddock used a high-caliber automatic weapon in the the Las Vegas shooting. In footage shared of the attack scores of rounds of ammunition can be heard going off in a matter of seconds.

Such weapons were previously prohibited under the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban which expired in 2004. Several lawmakers have attempted to renew the ban, coming closest, but still failing, after the Newtown school shooting in 2012."

Pure lying and distortion. 1994 law had nothing to do with automatic weapons, which have been essentially banned for 30 years.
Of course. Lying and distortion are their go-to tactics.

Like the OP, who thinks anyone is saying this involved an exercise of the Second Amendment:

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At least 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas shooting. Just another red-blooded American taking advantage of his Second Amendment freedoms!
The weapon used is already illegal, and that ban is consistent with the Second Amendment (cites on request).

Idiot posturing.
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:14 AM
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Your response reminds me of this:

‘Twas a dangerous cliff, as they freely confessed,
Though to walk near its crest was so pleasant;
But over its terrible edge there had slipped
A duke and full many a peasant.
So the people said something would have to be done,
But their projects did not at all tally;
Some said, "Put a fence ’round the edge of the cliff,"
Some, "An ambulance down in the valley."
That's nice, but just because your car has an airbag, that doesn't mean you shouldn't wear a seatbelt, and just because you're wearing a seatbelt, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't fix the roads, or teach people how to drive.

Security - proper security - takes a holistic approach. It involves looking at a large number of factors and taking them all into account. The outer circle of defense, and the most important one, is always prevention. If you get past that, you have intelligence - finding out ahead of time who might be a risk and stopping them before they make their move. Its only at the very center, will you find a guy with a gun, and he's only needed when the outer circles have failed.

So yeah, an armed guard is never the first circle of defense. But it doesn't hurt to have one around if the other circles fail.
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:15 AM
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Thanks for starting this thread. After picking myself up off the floor this morning, those were my thoughts, too. Now if only your OP had worked-in the obscene media coverage… ugh.

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As a society, we pay a lot of prices for the choices we make. How many died from alcohol-related accidents or the effects of alcohol in the last month? But I figured that this incident would have all of the anti-gun folks climbing out of the woodwork, even those these crazy one-off lone wolf attacks account for only a small percentage of gun deaths.

If this were a thread pitting the asshole who decided it was a good idea to go out and murder 50 people, injuring hundreds more I'd be all over jumping on the bandwagon. Instead, it's just another stupid wankfest, so I'll bow out and let you guys get to wanking.
We have a campaign against drunk driving. Most people agree with these. But let someone challenge your precious, fucking firearms and you get your delicate, little feelings hurt. Boo hoo.

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Old 10-02-2017, 10:16 AM
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Well... having a trained, practiced, ex-police or ex-military security officer on-site, with a licensed and registered firearm, to provide an immediate response and coordinate with the police and other first responders, is not necessarily the worst idea.
Now don't be confusing them with facts and reality. They cab't handle that sort of stuff.
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:16 AM
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As a society, we pay a lot of prices for the choices we make. How many died from alcohol-related accidents or the effects of alcohol in the last month? But I figured that this incident would have all of the anti-gun folks climbing out of the woodwork, even those these crazy one-off lone wolf attacks account for only a small percentage of gun deaths.

If this were a thread pitting the asshole who decided it was a good idea to go out and murder 50 people, injuring hundreds more I'd be all over jumping on the bandwagon. Instead, it's just another stupid wankfest, so I'll bow out and let you guys get to wanking.
Thank you for your excellent whataboutism post. Whataboutism is about as wankeriffic as it gets.
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:17 AM
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As a society, we pay a lot of prices for the choices we make. How many died from alcohol-related accidents or the effects of alcohol in the last month? But I figured that this incident would have all of the anti-gun folks climbing out of the woodwork, even those these crazy one-off lone wolf attacks account for only a small percentage of gun deaths.

If this were a thread pitting the asshole who decided it was a good idea to go out and murder 50 people, injuring hundreds more I'd be all over jumping on the bandwagon. Instead, it's just another stupid wankfest, so I'll bow out and let you guys get to wanking.
Some old same old. "We can't do anything about guns because there are other ways to kill people". "OMG Swimming pools!" "Waaaaah! What about knives?" Want to kill a bunch of people quickly, you need a gun.
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:18 AM
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Dancing on the graves, pure and simple.
Making a note of this remark for the next time you complain about political issues related to mass murder committed by someone who is not a white American gun enthusiast.
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:24 AM
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Of course. Lying and distortion are their go-to tactics.

Like the OP, who thinks anyone is saying this involved an exercise of the Second Amendment:



The weapon used is already illegal, and that ban is consistent with the Second Amendment (cites on request).

Idiot posturing.
Lying and distortion are their go-to tactics....and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.

What are the go-to tactics for madmam shooters, pray tell?

Illegal doesn't mean what you think. I can go down the aisles here at work and find probably half a dozen folks with full auto weapons at home. Yes, they have FFLs. But that makes no difference if the silicon switch inside their head gets switched to overload
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:26 AM
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Thank you for your excellent whataboutism post. Whataboutism is about as wankeriffic as it gets.
Not even in the same ballpark. True wankeriffic is when you use a tragedy to make a political point and ignore the victims except to use them to keep score for new records and such. That's so far beyond the pale it's hard to believe, but then here are the other 'dopers of like mind to come in and join the circle jerk.

The point of my whataboutism is that, as a society, we choose the risks we collectively take, and that events like this are part of that. By allowing guns we know some crazy motherfucker like this is going to go off the deep end sometime and do things like this. When it happens, though, folks like you crawl out from under the rocks or out of the woodwork to try and use it to score political points. It's pretty sickening. You didn't even bother, in a Pit thread, to talk about the asshole who murdered and hurt all those people because, frankly, it was the GUNS that were the root cause and you wanted to use those deaths to make your point.

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Some old same old. "We can't do anything about guns because there are other ways to kill people". "OMG Swimming pools!" "Waaaaah! What about knives?" Want to kill a bunch of people quickly, you need a gun.
Well, that's a nice strawman you have there. The funny thing is, you are completely clueless about what my point was or is, what my stance on guns are, or what I'm even talking about, but you THINK you know. Hilarious. Anyway, go back to the wankfest. The OP needs your support on this critical issue and your stroking of the guy next to you will be much appreciated.
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:31 AM
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Want to kill a bunch of people quickly, you need a gun.
Or a truck.
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Like the OP, who thinks anyone is saying this involved an exercise of the Second Amendment:

The weapon used is already illegal, and that ban is consistent with the Second Amendment (cites on request).
If someone's walking around with an illegal fully automatic weapon, thanks to laws allowing open carry pretty much everywhere, how many people will be able to tell, on sight, that it's not a legal semi-automatic weapon?

But because this particular fully automatic weapon is illegal, assuming that's the case, somehow this has nothing to do with the Second Amendment. Nice hairsplitting, counselor!
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:35 AM
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That's nice, but just because your car has an airbag, that doesn't mean you shouldn't wear a seatbelt, and just because you're wearing a seatbelt, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't fix the roads, or teach people how to drive.

Security - proper security - takes a holistic approach. It involves looking at a large number of factors and taking them all into account. The outer circle of defense, and the most important one, is always prevention. If you get past that, you have intelligence - finding out ahead of time who might be a risk and stopping them before they make their move. Its only at the very center, will you find a guy with a gun, and he's only needed when the outer circles have failed.

So yeah, an armed guard is never the first circle of defense. But it doesn't hurt to have one around if the other circles fail.
I would note that this was at a Casino which handles literally millions of dollars a day (if not per hour) and has over 3,300 rooms, so I would think Security (and easy access by said security to weapons) was probably in-place; heck, we may find out in the coming days/hours that they did much of the heavy lifting in I.D.'ing the room and individual for the cops.

Still early in the investigation...not that it's ever stopped Americans from being Olympic Champions in the "Jumping to Conclusions" event...
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:36 AM
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Please. This is not the time to be talking about gun violence.

I suggest we talk about racial inequality instead.
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:38 AM
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Well, at least the victims can be comforted by the knowledge that they weren't killed with a legal weapon.
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:40 AM
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Or a truck.
Or a plane. A CNN report says he had a private pilots license.
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ISIS/ISIL/Whatever has claimed responsibility.
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Or a truck.
You can also do useful stuff with a truck.

But you knew that already.
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:44 AM
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If someone's walking around with an illegal fully automatic weapon, thanks to laws allowing open carry pretty much everywhere, how many people will be able to tell, on sight, that it's not a legal semi-automatic weapon?

But because this particular fully automatic weapon is illegal, assuming that's the case, somehow this has nothing to do with the Second Amendment. Nice hairsplitting, counselor!
The shooter in this case was "walking around, open-carry style" with the weapon he used? Not really seeing what your point is. And not really seeing what you're getting at in your OP. The whole country is to blame because of what this guy did?
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Not even in the same ballpark. True wankeriffic is when you use a tragedy to make a political point and ignore the victims except to use them to keep score for new records and such.
Go stick your head in a pig, bucko. I'm pissed as hell that we allow people to keep mowing down people like this. (ETA: That shouldn't be considered 'political.') People are dead today that God wanted to live full and happy lives. And why? Because of a handful of loud and well-financed fanatics with a religious belief that any restriction on firearms is a bad restriction.

Maybe you don't understand sarcasm, but I'd have thought that came through loud and clear in the thread title.



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The point of my whataboutism is that, as a society, we choose the risks we collectively take, and that events like this are part of that.
Collectively?! Most Americans want more restrictions on guns, but the fanatical minority stops us at every turn.
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By allowing guns we know some crazy motherfucker like this is going to go off the deep end sometime and do things like this.
Yeah, and most of us don't want that risk.
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When it happens, though, folks like you crawl out from under the rocks or out of the woodwork to try and use it to score political points. It's pretty sickening.
Yeah, sickening that we're against all this death and injury. (A bullet hole through a human body is a horrible thing even for a survivor, just ask Steve Scalise.)
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You didn't even bother, in a Pit thread, to talk about the asshole who murdered and hurt all those people because, frankly, it was the GUNS that were the root cause and you wanted to use those deaths to make your point.
Why should I ask about the particular asshole? Didn't you read what you just wrote? You just said that "By allowing guns we know some crazy motherfucker like this is going to go off the deep end sometime and do things like this." Given that we know someone is going to do shit like this if gun laws are the way they are, what's important about the particulars of a given shooter?

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Well, that's a nice strawman you have there. The funny thing is, you are completely clueless about what my point was or is, what my stance on guns are, or what I'm even talking about, but you THINK you know. Hilarious. Anyway, go back to the wankfest. The OP needs your support on this critical issue and your stroking of the guy next to you will be much appreciated.
Well, your point was hardly clear at first; it certainly looked like the usual "we can't do anything about X because Y is a bigger problem" crap.

Now I see you're saying "we as a society have chosen to accept the risks of having all these guns." I suppose by certain definitions, that's so, but most of the people in this society haven't.

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The weapon used is already illegal, and that ban is consistent with the Second Amendment (cites on request).
So yes, fuck Newsweek for suggesting that reinstating the 94 AWB would have done anything to prevent this shooting, but isn't their mistake being repeated by several posters in this thread as well?

Do we know what kind of weapon it was? Do we know if it was fully automatic or a modified, say, bump-fired semi-automatic? If it was fully automatic, do we know if he had a license?

"The weapon used is already illegal" seems like an unproven assertion at this point.

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I'll bow out and let you guys get to wanking.
I'm always amused at people who say that participating in a thread is beneath them or something, so they're leaving, but they never quite make it out the door.
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I just want the record to reflect that I find this thread, especially the title, to be disturbing and the work of a sick mind.
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DO we know the weapon(s) used were illegal? What I've read so far is that the most likely thing would be an AR type rifle legally modified with a bumper stock or other device.
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I would note that this was at a Casino which handles literally millions of dollars a day (if not per hour) and has over 3,300 rooms, so I would think Security (and easy access by said security to weapons) was probably in-place; heck, we may find out in the coming days/hours that they did much of the heavy lifting in I.D.'ing the room and individual for the cops.

Still early in the investigation...not that it's ever stopped Americans from being Olympic Champions in the "Jumping to Conclusions" event...
Well, it would be interesting to know how he managed to get "more than ten" rifles into his room without anyone noticing. At the very least, (and assuming he didn't move them in just before the shooting) wouldn't the housekeeping staff have noticed this arsenal laying about?
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Well, it would be interesting to know how he managed to get "more than ten" rifles into his room without anyone noticing. At the very least, (and assuming he didn't move them in just before the shooting) wouldn't the housekeeping staff have noticed this arsenal laying about?
One could keep the Do Not Disturb sign up for a few days, they'll just assume you're a couple honeymooners banging the days away.
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The shooter in this case was "walking around, open-carry style" with the weapon he used? Not really seeing what your point is.
Absent laws allowing open carry (no permit, no nothing required for open carry in Nevada), the cops could be called by anyone who saw a guy walking around with a long gun, and almost surely would have been called well before he got into the hotel.
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And not really seeing what you're getting at in your OP. The whole country is to blame because of what this guy did?
Thought I'd write the OP as a 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em' post, and celebrate the success of our freedoms.
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