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Old 10-21-2017, 03:21 PM
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Count me in as another who has lost their dad to fear and anger. He retired (from his union job at Ford) in 2008 or so and has been sitting on his couch every day since, watching Fox News and listening to right-wing radio. Thankfully he's not on social media or email so he's not getting the Russian shit or spreading anything but people who do get the Russian shit are calling up to the radio station he listens to and spreading it to him.

I watched that Brainwashing of my Dad documentary and was like "Yep, that's us."

I know that a lot of my dad's anger and frustration comes from his body utterly breaking down and making him near physically useless and in pain all the time. His psyche was definitely ripe for the picking by the right wing anger brigade.

I try to only be around my parents when my brothers' kids are around too. They're happy then. It blows my mind that even in short periods of down time when the kids are visiting, dad feels the need to bring up politics of some sort. It's sick.
Fox news is attractive. Busty blondes wearing skirts that ride up their thighs. That is real news. If you want to do your Dad a favor, find another cable channel that interests him, there are hundreds of channels to choose from.

It is sad that your Dad's politics are nothing more than the bullet points from the Fox Five Live broadcast, aka Trump Tweets. As much as it upsets you, do what you can to point him away from the Faux News, but if he is happy there, don't be upset. Just be glad he is still around for you.
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Old 10-21-2017, 03:34 PM
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Many years ago Saturday Night Live had a phony commercial that was a play on those old-people-life-insurance commercials. The joke was that "Old Glory Insurance" would pay off in the event of you being killed by a robot. Presented by Sam Waterston, speaking gently and slowly so old people could understand him, he noted, with as much seriousness as he could muster (he almost loses it later in the "ad") that it was very important to have robot insurance because "robots are strong," and "they eat old people's medicine for fuel." "So don't cower under your afghan any longer," he reassures senior citizens, because Old Glory will be there "when the metal ones decide to come for you... and they will."

The meta joke, of course, is the assumption, which you sort of have to have to get the joke, that

1. Old people are gullible, and
2. Old people are easily frightened.

Old people have been the target of con artists, usually using fear, for as long as there have been old people. How many scams directed at old people are there? A zillion? Senior citizen advocacy groups actually have web pages, literature, and stuff specifically dedicated to this problem.

https://www.ncoa.org/economic-securi...eting-seniors/

The genius of the Russian maskirovka campaign on Trump's behalf, and the genius of Fox News, is to take what companies, con men and opportunistic relatives have been doing to years to scam old people of their money, and do it to scam them of their beliefs and votes. Sure, they fool some dimwitted younger people too, just as con men can scam people of all ages. But old people are very vulnerable to scams. Long have politicians sought out the old people vote; someone has finally fully merged true con artistry with politics.
+1

Fear, if you can't win on merit, win by preying upon the weakest part of a human.

Make them scared, make them angry, then give them a pseudo fix to the problem you just made up, aka Fox News.
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Old 10-21-2017, 03:36 PM
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Fox news is attractive. Busty blondes wearing skirts that ride up their thighs. That is real news. If you want to do your Dad a favor, find another cable channel that interests him, there are hundreds of channels to choose from.
So, the idea is to make pornhub a news outlet? That could work.

A complaint I voiced recently to my friends, when we were talking about how annoying it is that every newspaper and magazine seem to be behind a paywall anymore, was "Why pay for news, when you can get porn for free?"

And in that statement, I don't mean just erotic sexual porn, but porn in the same idea as "food porn" catagory. Stuff that doesn't inform, stuff that makes you feel good while you watch it, but a bit disgusted with yourself after.

Fox news, to me, is "news porn".
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Old 10-21-2017, 04:07 PM
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The answer is, probably not.

Another component I frequently see among the Fox "News"-addicted is isolation. My dad has made himself a shut-in. He rarely interacts with people except his wife. He spends most of his time in his armchair, watching Fox (especially Hannity). He rousts himself from there to his computer, where he participates on overheated alt-right forums that feed him as many conspiracy theories as he can handle. That's pretty much his whole life, now. He doesn't challenge his thinking, he never talks to people who don't agree with him..
Fox News is just the easy out. Attractive people talking about their 'news'. Alternative Facts are delivered here!

There are other cable news channels that don't show as much leg as Fox,but there are other stations that vet their news and sources. Try to give your Dad other choices for his political education. Fox is easier to watch, CNN makes you think a bit.

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I tend to agree. My dad is only 67 and see my post above. He's in it, hook, line and sinker. And it has been happening since he retired at 55. Once he stopped working he stopped socializing whatsoever. Not that he socialized at all prior to that but he was around people 40+ hours a week at work. He has always had social anxiety and now, given the chance to stay home and avoid people, he's taking it. Super un-healthy..
Fox News has always pandered to the populace that wants to join their team. An open setting with a couch in the middle, inviting the viewer to take a seat on the couch.

If you watch TV for 20 hours a day, you will find Fox News to be more entertaining than most other Networks channels. If you want accurate information about the politics in the region, Don.
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Not to derail the thread but this part terrifies me. I have never been a particularly social person. And I got into a habit after college that most of my non-work socialization was at the bar, and I did it for years, several times a week. Lately I have through a combination of desire to stop unhealthy activities, and annoyance at "those stupid kids today" nearly stopped doing that as well. I can see myself on the path toward having no life and being a virtual shut-in myself at all if I do ever retire.
At least there aren't any kids to be disappointed in me, I suppose.
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Old 10-21-2017, 05:09 PM
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I think there's a fairly strong awareness of mental and physical deterioration among the older parts of our society. So they're already somewhat apprehensive and fearful of the future already, and that translates into a very insecure feeling that seems to permeate everything.

I mean, my parents are 70 and 73, and live in the southwest Houston area. They're not racist or anything, but they're absolutely convinced that "things are different these days" and that there are tons of violent criminals and crazies out there just waiting to steal, murder, beat them up, and so on and so forth. To some degree I think this is because the area of Houstonwe grew up in, and that they live SW of (Alief), underwent a rather dramatic transformation over the 40 years or so they lived there. It went from a very desirable upper-middle income suburb in the 1970s and part of the 1980s, to being an entirely ghetto, crime-ridden, run down, low income predominantly black and hispanic section of town. So from their perspective, the area HAS gone to shit, and they didn't move far enough out of it to realize that *everything* hasn't gone that direction.

That aside, they still seem unusually fearful, and it shows in their politics. They're both surprisingly conservative, being most interested in the law-and-order aspects of that political philosophy. Which is interesting, because I don't think my mother is otherwise very conservative- I could totally see her being all for poverty reduction, equal rights, and so forth, but that fear has overridden that to the point where she'll vote for Republicans because they trumpet themselves as the law and order party.

I suspect this preoccupation with security and order overrides good sense on a lot of other older people as well.
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I suspect this preoccupation with security and order overrides good sense on a lot of other older people as well.
Back in the early 1990s my mom and her husband bought a place about 45 miles outside of Denver. The entire area is horse country and the minimum size of the plots is 5 acres. Before the century was up, they installed a gate at the end of their mile driveway. When I asked why they wanted the gate, I was told that they thought they needed it for security, because of all the drug gangs.

None of the other properties anywhere around them have gates to this day.
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I have long said that FOX hires attractive women to deliver their "news" because when men are listening to an attractive woman the part of their brain responsible for critical thinking shuts down.
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So, the idea is to make pornhub a news outlet? That could work.

A complaint I voiced recently to my friends, when we were talking about how annoying it is that every newspaper and magazine seem to be behind a paywall anymore, was "Why pay for news, when you can get porn for free?"

And in that statement, I don't mean just erotic sexual porn, but porn in the same idea as "food porn" catagory. Stuff that doesn't inform, stuff that makes you feel good while you watch it, but a bit disgusted with yourself after.

Fox news, to me, is "news porn".
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I have long said that FOX hires attractive women to deliver their "news" because when men are listening to an attractive woman the part of their brain responsible for critical thinking shuts down.
Thanks, I really needed to laugh out loud!
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Old 10-21-2017, 08:46 PM
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I think there's a fairly strong awareness of mental and physical deterioration among the older parts of our society. So they're already somewhat apprehensive and fearful of the future already, and that translates into a very insecure feeling that seems to permeate everything.

I mean, my parents are 70 and 73, and live in the southwest Houston area. They're not racist or anything, but they're absolutely convinced that "things are different these days" and that there are tons of violent criminals and crazies out there just waiting to steal, murder, beat them up, and so on and so forth. To some degree I think this is because the area of Houstonwe grew up in, and that they live SW of (Alief), underwent a rather dramatic transformation over the 40 years or so they lived there. It went from a very desirable upper-middle income suburb in the 1970s and part of the 1980s, to being an entirely ghetto, crime-ridden, run down, low income predominantly black and hispanic section of town. So from their perspective, the area HAS gone to shit, and they didn't move far enough out of it to realize that *everything* hasn't gone that direction.

That aside, they still seem unusually fearful, and it shows in their politics. They're both surprisingly conservative, being most interested in the law-and-order aspects of that political philosophy. Which is interesting, because I don't think my mother is otherwise very conservative- I could totally see her being all for poverty reduction, equal rights, and so forth, but that fear has overridden that to the point where she'll vote for Republicans because they trumpet themselves as the law and order party.

I suspect this preoccupation with security and order overrides good sense on a lot of other older people as well.
Republicans = Vote for me because I will lock up every person that scares you.
Democrats = Vote for me and I will try to create a world where we don't have to lock everyone up that scares you.

Guess where the White Evangelicals voted.
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Old 10-23-2017, 12:55 AM
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There is something to the racial divide on this issue. I believe the older white man (and I know a few) was feeling un-seated from their places of power, they had indeed held these places for decades. Trump showing up and talking their language, so to speak, has given them a reprieve, they think. Sad part is Trump could care less about their middle class lives or their needs as aging Americans. Who will be around to pick up the pieces? There will be collateral damages, folks, it is inevitable!
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