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Old 06-15-2017, 01:40 PM
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Have we outgrown Cecil? , "What does God need with a starship?"

I remember the day where it was common to quote "the perfect master", and while I do see that occasionally, very occasionally, well seldomly, perhaps rarely, um let's make that very rarely, well almost never to be honest. Has this board, which is us, outgrown our god (Cecil Adams).

Is there any relevance to it's roots anymore? Is it time where we leave this god behind on a planet as we journey onwards? Does anyone read CA's columns anymore?

And for many newcomers are you even aware of what a Cecil Adams is?

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Old 06-15-2017, 02:09 PM
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I quoted Cecil as the second response to the peeing on an electric fence thread last week.

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Old 06-15-2017, 03:28 PM
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I think with Google's improved algorithms, the GQ forum is [i]almost[/b] obsolete. That is of course unless you are looking for more than a clinical answer to the question you want answered and would like to have an actual discussion of said question.


The internets has out grown its infancy, and by default its paternal masters as well.

Sorry uncle cici..

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Old 06-15-2017, 03:38 PM
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O ye young pup, of little faith. Do not tempt fate lest you be struck by a bolt of lightning and your mortal ashes be flushed down the nearest sewer pipe.

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Old 06-15-2017, 04:02 PM
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I read the columns at least twice a week -- or I go back through the links to read them. Always the new Friday entries; very often the recycled archival offerings (though I've also recognized some of them as 3rd or 4th repostings and even saw one, which was the impetus for my joining (so I could respond to it), that was updated with newer information (including some of the stuff I posted).

So I don't think I've outgrown this place yet.
In fact, as a ReFFugee from another board (which was an oFFshoot of another board) I'm very much liking this venue.

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Old 06-15-2017, 04:20 PM
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Sure, Google can find the answer to most anything. What it cannot easily find are answers of the depth and quality that we find on this board of Cecil's. Ask a question on this board and you're likely to find it answered by some of the savviest folk on the net. You just don't get that by googling, unless of course you want to sift thousands of answers until you find a good one. This board is still needed and will be for a long time.
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Old 06-15-2017, 04:42 PM
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....This board is still needed and will be for a long time.
I'm asking if Cecil is still needed, or can we do without um 'it'.
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Old 06-15-2017, 04:54 PM
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I remember the day where it was common to quote "the perfect master", and while I do see that occasionally, very occasionally, well seldomly, perhaps rarely, um let's make that very rarely, well almost never to be honest. Has this board, which is us, outgrown our god (Cecil Adams).

Is there any relevance to it's roots anymore? Is it time where we leave this god behind on a planet as we journey onwards? Does anyone read CA's columns anymore?

And for many newcomers are you even aware of what a Cecil Adams is?
I still go to the home page and read the column, especially the new ones but even the older ones I'll re-read after years. I still see them come up for discussion in that forum as well, which sometimes gives an interesting take on one of his older (or newer) columns. Of course, I don't think that the writer today is the same over the years, but I still find it informative, and I think it's still a part of this board.
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Old 06-15-2017, 05:03 PM
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I'm asking if Cecil is still needed, or can we do without um 'it'.

I doubt if I would recognize Cecil if he were standing in front of me in line at the grocery store, but consider this: Black Sabbath didn't think they needed Ozzy anymore. Hawkwind didn't think they needed Lemmy anymore. Who were the big winners after those decisions, huh?
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Old 06-15-2017, 05:06 PM
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Ask a question on this board and you're likely to find it answered by some of the savviest folk on the net
Ask a question on this board and you'll likely be answered by one (or more) of the same 40 people who answer every question on this board. Or 99% of the questions.
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Old 06-15-2017, 05:10 PM
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I don't think that Cecil's columns are the bulk of the value in the Straight Dope, but they are the nucleus of the value. You can ask any member here why they're on this message board. For some of them (possibly even most), they'll say it's because they get good discussion, or because they like the people here, or whatever. But that's all, ultimately, circular. Why is that good discussion, and those people, here? Well, many of them are here because of other people, and so on. But this chain has a finite number of steps, and in the end, what it comes down to is that everyone here is here, on this particular site, because of Cecil Adams, whether directly or indirectly.
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Old 06-15-2017, 05:36 PM
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Just because Santa's Helpers are doing a spiffy job is no reason to get rid of Santa.
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Old 06-15-2017, 05:43 PM
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I don't think that Cecil's columns are the bulk of the value in the Straight Dope, but they are the nucleus of the value. You can ask any member here why they're on this message board. For some of them (possibly even most), they'll say it's because they get good discussion, or because they like the people here, or whatever. But that's all, ultimately, circular. Why is that good discussion, and those people, here? Well, many of them are here because of other people, and so on. But this chain has a finite number of steps, and in the end, what it comes down to is that everyone here is here, on this particular site, because of Cecil Adams, whether directly or indirectly.


QfT

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Old 06-15-2017, 05:44 PM
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I remember the day where it was common to quote "the perfect master", and while I do see that occasionally, very occasionally, well seldomly, perhaps rarely, um let's make that very rarely, well almost never to be honest. Has this board, which is us, outgrown our god (Cecil Adams).

Is there any relevance to it's roots anymore? Is it time where we leave this god behind on a planet as we journey onwards? Does anyone read CA's columns anymore?

And for many newcomers are you even aware of what a Cecil Adams is?
HERETIC!

Are you chilly, kanicbird?

There's nothing quite as toasty as an auto da fe.
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Old 06-15-2017, 06:23 PM
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An auto da fe? What's an auto da fe?
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Old 06-15-2017, 06:27 PM
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I haven't heard that Cecil is looking for a flat in Shadows Fall, so we should be good to go for a while.
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Old 06-15-2017, 08:52 PM
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I doubt if I would recognize Cecil if he were standing in front of me in line at the grocery store, but consider this: Black Sabbath didn't think they needed Ozzy anymore. Hawkwind didn't think they needed Lemmy anymore. Who were the big winners after those decisions, huh?
Maybe Cecil doesn't think he needs Ed Zotti anymore?
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Old 06-15-2017, 09:01 PM
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Just because Santa's Helpers are doing a spiffy job is no reason to get rid of Santa.
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Old 06-16-2017, 01:01 AM
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It's what you oughtn't do, but you do anyway.
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Old 06-16-2017, 01:54 AM
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Just because Santa's Helpers are doing a spiffy job is no reason to get rid of Santa.

As a semi-professional mall Santa ------------ damn betcha!

I am not totally making light; I seriously come down on the side that wants/needs an Unca Cecil.
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:34 AM
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The texts he signs are very well written, and he seems to be much less snarky than in the past, which is a big plus for a message board.
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Old 06-16-2017, 08:40 AM
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I doubt if I would recognize Cecil if he were standing in front of me in line at the grocery store, but consider this: Black Sabbath didn't think they needed Ozzy anymore. Hawkwind didn't think they needed Lemmy anymore. Who were the big winners after those decisions, huh?
While I disagree with the OP and like having a masthead, those are not great analogies. Ozzy and Lemmy were real people.
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Old 06-16-2017, 09:56 AM
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Cecil is a real person or persons. Or do you think a computer generates the column content?
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:08 AM
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It's a Russian iron car.
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:08 AM
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While I disagree with the OP and like having a masthead, those are not great analogies. Ozzy and Lemmy were real people.
Are you referring to John Michael Osbourne and Ian Fraser Kilmister?
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Old 06-16-2017, 11:59 AM
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So when was the last time actually Uncle Cecil came down from his mountain top and mingled with us on the SDMB?
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So when was the last time actually Uncle Cecil came down from his mountain top and mingled with us on the SDMB?
Apparently, November 21st, 2013.
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Old 06-16-2017, 12:25 PM
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While I disagree with the OP and like having a masthead, those are not great analogies. Ozzy and Lemmy were real people.
Why are you talking about Ozzy in the past tense? Long live Ozzy!
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:41 PM
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Ask a question on this board and you'll likely be answered by one (or more) of the same 40 people who answer every question on this board. Or 99% of the questions.
but it's 99% of the people smarter than me. It's a self-selected few, but it's choice. (See Tracy v. Hepburn.)
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Exactly. Forget him.

Besides, I'm smarter. If I'm not, let him come out of hiding and challenge me to a lobe-off!
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A special barbecue for heretics/Cecil profaners.
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Yep.
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Just because Santa's Helpers are doing a spiffy job is no reason to get rid of Santa.
This answer is so good that Cecil himself coulda writ it.

Spoken as one of the (self-appointed and self-regulating) GQ 40. Membership: If you have to ask, you're not worthy.
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Old 06-16-2017, 07:29 PM
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Also, neither Cecil nor Santa is real
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OP doesn't know "it's" from "its".

Cecil's work is not done here.

It's still taking longer than we thought.
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Ask a question on this board and you'll likely be answered by one (or more) of the same 40 people who answer every question on this board. Or 99% of the questions.
That's unimportant if just a few of that 40 give answers you'd be hard put to find anywhere else. It may be true that the majority of the 40 give answers they found on Google. The fact that at least a dozen or so don't makes this board worthwhile.

And to the OP, Cecil is the reason for the board's existence, the spirit of the place. Yes, it could exist without him, just as Christmas could exist without Santa. It just wouldn't be half as much fun.
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Old 06-17-2017, 06:20 PM
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You have got to be fucking kidding me!! Nobody knew that!
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That's unimportant if just a few of that 40 give answers you'd be hard put to find anywhere else. It may be true that the majority of the 40 give answers they found on Google. The fact that at least a dozen or so don't makes this board worthwhile.

And to the OP, Cecil is the reason for the board's existence, the spirit of the place. Yes, it could exist without him, just as Christmas could exist without Santa. It just wouldn't be half as much fun.
I've honestly thought the whole Cecil with was more than a bit silly and stopped being "fun" a long time ago.

The character hasn't been on the boards in a long time and I'd be willing to suggest a lot of the posters here (including me) feel zero connection to it.

So yeah, in the spirit of the OP, I think we've definitely outgrown Cecil.
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Spoiler tags, please.
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There were two Cecil posts that year, but both of them were gags. The last time he actually participated in a discussion was January 18, 2010!

Speaking as a relative newcomer—at least in comparison to many of the folks here—I always find it weirdly cargo-cultish when Dopers entreat Cecil to tackle some difficult question (and are ignored).
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There were two Cecil posts that year, but both of them were gags. The last time he actually participated in a discussion was January 18, 2010!

Speaking as a relative newcomer—at least in comparison to many of the folks here—I always find it weirdly cargo-cultish when Dopers entreat Cecil to tackle some difficult question (and are ignored).
I feel the same way about praying, but if it brings in new rubes and keeps the old ones from straying off out of fond memories, then I see no need to change, in my opinion.
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Cecil was a fun fiction to maintain when he participated on the boards, but since he's long gone, the "myth" of Cecil is just tedious.
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There's also the simple fact this board only exists because the Straight Dope column exists.

I don't really see any reason for the pseudonym to be dropped. I don't get how it is tedious, since it's not as if any of us pretend he is a different person anymore. It's just the name that Ed Zotti writes his columns under, due to inheriting a legacy title.

Now, if Ed retires, then maybe it would make sense to revisit whether to retire the pseudonym. But only then.
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Old 06-19-2017, 06:42 PM
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Cecil might not participate on the boards any more (not that his participation was ever all that high to begin with), but he still writes a new column every week.
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There's also the simple fact this board only exists because the Straight Dope column exists.

I don't really see any reason for the pseudonym to be dropped. I don't get how it is tedious, since it's not as if any of us pretend he is a different person anymore. It's just the name that Ed Zotti writes his columns under, due to inheriting a legacy title.

Now, if Ed retires, then maybe it would make sense to revisit whether to retire the pseudonym. But only then.
I'd say that a little differently than I understood you to mean.

The board was only created after the column existed as a way to cash in on that new-fangled internet thingy back in 99 or whenever.

That the board continues to exist today is all but unrelated to the alternative newspaper column of the same name. Either could live, die, or be rebranded in 2017 with negligible impact on the other.

As you say, Cecil is the pseudonym of the column writer and of the board's manager, if no longer owner. But both the actual and the pseudonymous manager could be replaced or retired tomorrow with no significance to the rest of us.
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