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Old Yesterday, 08:04 AM
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I'm sorry you were forced to admit that you've never had a passport, Starving, but it seems you don't need much knowledge or experience to be so very smart about so many things! Congratulations!!

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What 97% health benefits? I have no recollection of that.
When I saw this I thought maybe you didn't know that 100% minus 3% was 97%, but now I see you did that arithmetic correctly in your post. I'm sure it's unfair to hold you responsible for bullshit from the stupider Starving who, once upon a time, thought Trump had an MBA. ... But the following was posted by you less than a week ago. I've highlighted the portions you don't seem to remember.

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... Most insurance companies realize a profit of around 3% on the money they take in vs. pay out in benefits. Cite. So for every one hundred dollars paid into health care in America, only three of it gets kept by the insurance companies, and $97 of it is paid out in service of patient healthcare.
[emphasis added by sgs7]
Does this jog your recollection?


It's good to hear you've revised your opinion of the Donald. I still treasure your earlier view, with its inimitable hyperbole:
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... Every day Donald Trump deals effectively with highly intelligent and highly educated architects, bankers, investors and businessmen, most of whom are at the top of their game. He is probably a genius and is and more accomplished by orders of magnitude than almost anybody. He's not just one in a million but one in three hundred million, as there doesn't seem to be anyone else the country remotely like him.
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Old Yesterday, 08:46 AM
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... Every day Donald Trump deals effectively with highly intelligent and highly educated architects, bankers, investors and businessmen, most of whom are at the top of their game. He is probably a genius and is and more accomplished by orders of magnitude than almost anybody. He's not just one in a million but one in three hundred million, as there doesn't seem to be anyone else the country remotely like him.
We can only hope there's no one else in the country remotely like him, but sadly, it seems there are.
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Old Yesterday, 09:39 AM
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I am genuinely curious when you [Starving Artist] will reach your tipping point on Trump ....
As long as he gets his jollies here, never. But if everyone ignored him and did not respond to his posts for, oh, a week... he'd go away. But whatever.
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Old Yesterday, 10:26 AM
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We can only hope there's no one else in the country remotely like him, but sadly, it seems there are.
62M of them. All stupid enough to believe he really is a stable genius.
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Old Yesterday, 11:04 AM
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Well, let's see.....

Today is the first anniversary of his inauguration.

Dow is up 31%. Jobs are up. Unemployment is down. Taxes are being lowered. Action is being taken against illegal aliens (although not as fast as I would like). And liberals are still howling, whining and bitching about him being in office.

Hasn't pissed me off one single bit.
Only because the King of Debt took out a 1.5 million million dollar loan, gave most of it to his friends and a small amount to his base of middle class supporters.

I got a form letter from my mortgage company yesterday telling me I could refinance and take out $225,000.00 in cash to do whatever I want with. That’s a lot of money. I could travel the world, staying in nice hotels and eating in fine restaurants. And I would look rich. And I would feel rich. But I’m going to decline the offer and drag my butt to work tomorrow. Because I’d actually BE poorer and a lot worse of in the long run if I borrowed money irresponsibly.
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Old Yesterday, 12:29 PM
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I don't think sacks of shit are sentient enough to lie. While Mr. Hump may not be sentient enough to formulate a deliberate lie, I am almost certain that he is more sentient than a bag of shit. Can we meet each other halfway, and call Mr. Hump a sack of semi-sentient shit? ... Anybody know if lawnmower-girl has let him grab her pussy yet?
As sack of shit is not just dead fecal matter, sometimes, it contains parasitic worms. I've not had much experience with such, but they probably do have more self awareness and honesty than the humpster.
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This is why the GOP may win its "game of chicken." Democrats have a sense of responsibility and want to avoid chaos. For the GOPsters, "governance" is just about stealing money with both hands while behaving like 12-year old sadistic bullies toward thoughtful Americans, posterity, America's honor, and the rest of the world.
That's been their game for quite some time now. Threaten great harm upon the people of the country to get democrats to agree to lesser harms against the people of the country.

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And I have no idea who Alex Jones is.
If you claimed to not follow Jones, or not to listen to what he has to say, or to consider his opinions, then those would be valid and believable rebuttals. You do tend to use the same types of arguments and seem to have similar beliefs, but that could just be coincidence.

To claim you don't know who he is though, that's just a lie.

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62M of them. All stupid enough to believe he really is a stable genius.
To be fair, trump probably is smarter than most of them.
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WH calling for the "nuclear option" again. The shutdown is a great excuse for him to renew his calls for something that would move him closer to his aspirations of becoming a dictator (IMO).

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/21/politi...ter/index.html

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Trump tweeted his call for Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to invoke the so-called nuclear option and thereby remove leverage for Senate Democrats.
That is what is "pissing me off" today, although scaring me is more like it.
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Old Yesterday, 03:20 PM
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It's kind of amazing how Humpy manages to post absolutely nothing but delusional figments of his own twisted and ignorant imagination.
Nope. I post reality. You people can't deal with it.
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Old Yesterday, 03:22 PM
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Nope. I post reality. You people can't deal with it.
You said the stock market was stagnant, I posted a chart showing it wasn't. You lied.
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Old Yesterday, 03:57 PM
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You said the stock market was stagnant, I posted a chart showing it wasn't. You lied.
He also claims there are 54 republicans in the senate.

Though, to be fair, that may not be a lie, it may just be early onset dementia.
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Nope. I post reality. You people can't deal with it.
The consensus is calling you a liar. And a delusional idiot.
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Old Yesterday, 04:53 PM
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I do hope that someone has informed him that "Nuclear Option" is just a figure of speech.
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Old Yesterday, 04:55 PM
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WH calling for the "nuclear option" again. The shutdown is a great excuse for him to renew his calls for something that would move him closer to his aspirations of becoming a dictator (IMO).
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/21/politi...ter/index.html
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Trump tweeted his call for Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to invoke the so-called nuclear option and thereby remove leverage for Senate Democrats.
That is what is "pissing me off" today, although scaring me is more like it.
Yeah. My guess is that John Kelly and Steven Miller have been telling Trump that if a shutdown occurs and goes on a certain amount of time, then he'll "have no choice" but to declare martial law and suspend the Bill of Rights. A sad duty! And Trump would be salivating for the chance to take up that "duty."


Regarding Kelly: the conservative National Review published, today, an article entitled "Being President Kelly":

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... Donald Trump runs a Twitter account. President John Kelly is running the administration. President Trump likes tough guys, and he thinks of himself as a tough guy. Remember all that palling around with Mike Tyson during the campaign and his fondness for Vladimir Putin? “Tough” is practically Trump’s favorite adjective, and adjectives are his favorite class of words. The problem is that Trump wants to be a tough guy — desperately — but isn’t one. He’s a rich kid from New York City who never in his life has been obliged to lift anything heavier than money. ––

... Trump is a familiar sort of man who mistakes being hard for being a sadist, and thinks that his own well-documented appetite for inflicting suffering and humiliation on others makes him tough. Trump likes to think of himself as an “alpha male,” as a natural-born leader, but he has instinctively adapted himself to the role of second banana in his relationship with Kelly. In all his passive-aggressive subtweeting at his chief of staff — a man who serves solely at his pleasure — Trump never even had the courage to name him. ...
http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...administration
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Serious question: Do you guys in the US not think it's a worrying that your Federal government literally shuts down from time to time?
Hell fucking yes. Last shutdown I lost my job. But as far as soul-crushing disasters go, it's been par for the course for this administration. Porn star mistress? Yawn.
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Old Yesterday, 08:35 PM
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Serious question: Do you guys in the US not think it's a worrying that your Federal government literally shuts down from time to time?
Yeah, it worries me. My job could be affected but so far it looks like I'm going in on Monday. Not sure how that will affect things long term. My dad worked for the government and was sent home a few times over the years. I don't think he was ever home more than a day or two, but it stressed him out which stressed me out.

It's stupid and scary.
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Old Yesterday, 08:55 PM
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I am very pissed off that he thinks I should not have been born in September.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b002283002c6c0

It is, after all, the ninth month.
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Old Yesterday, 10:08 PM
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I was born in September, too. The bastard!
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Old Yesterday, 10:19 PM
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I am genuinely curious when you will reach your tipping point on Trump and switch to claiming that he was never a true Republican . . .
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As long as he gets his jollies here, never. But if everyone ignored him and did not respond to his posts for, oh, a week... he'd go away. But whatever.
That was directed to Clothahump, not Starting Artist.
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Old Yesterday, 10:47 PM
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You said the stock market was stagnant, I posted a chart showing it wasn't. You lied.
Plus: the stock market <> the economy.
Plus: at least one aspect of the economy -- wages -- really is stagnant.

But other than that ... the economy has been barreling down the track for 8 years, and Trump has managed to not derail it. Huzzah.
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Old Yesterday, 10:52 PM
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If you have an overfamiliarity with both, I hope to god you never get entrusted with either baby-sitting or dog-sitting.
I've heard both of them howl. Sounds just like liberals.
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I am genuinely curious when you will reach your tipping point on Trump and switch to claiming that he was never a true Republican (he isn’t), or a true conservative (he isn’t, except as far as he represents and appeals to the very cruelest forms of social “conservatism” and the most selfish of fiscal “conservatism”), or perhaps that he was a liberal/Democrat plant all along.
There are three major reasons I support Trump.

1. He ain't Hillary.
2. He is pro-business which we desperately needed after Obama's anti-business stance.
3. He is very plain spoken. No political correctness from him, and that is a breath of fresh air blowing through the swamps of DC.

The fact that he annoys the hell out of liberals on a daily basis is just a bonus.
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Old Yesterday, 11:23 PM
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I've heard both of them howl. Sounds just like liberals.

There are three major reasons I support Trump.

1. He ain't Hillary.
Sure he is not, he just continues to show what a willful ignorant he is when Hillary was not.

https://climatecrocks.com/2017/05/06...aher-she-knew/

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2. He is pro-business which we desperately needed after Obama's anti-business stance.
He is actually deeply involved into shady business. And speaking of an issue like climate change, Trump gave you the big lie that coal declined thanks to Obama. In reality, it was businesses decisions that businessmen made when they looked that natural gas and even some solar or wind energy technologies were cheaper.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/10/11/na...off-coal-minin

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3. He is very plain spoken. No political correctness from him, and that is a breath of fresh air blowing through the swamps of DC.
Even on that he is as fake as a 3 dollar bill.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/pol...skJ/story.html
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WASHINGTON — President Trump ran a campaign on lifting up the little guy. He was, in the words of his oldest son, “a blue-collar billionaire,” and it was his plain-spoken promise to be their warrior in Washington that helped win over voters in hollowed-out Midwestern towns.

But almost a year into his presidency, evidence shows he has governed not as the populist champion he proclaimed himself to be, but instead as a president siding more often with large corporations, special interests, and the wealthiest of Americans.

In deeds, if not in words, he’s proved a lot more “billionaire” and a lot less “blue-collar.”

The tax plan Trump is backing in Congress would hurt many in the middle class in the long term, while bestowing greater, permanent benefits on corporations and wealthy people, according to nonpartisan estimates. He is seeking to hamstring the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau, which is charged with preventing banks, credit card companies, and unscrupulous lenders from fleecing average consumers.
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The fact that he annoys the hell out of liberals on a daily basis is just a bonus.
The fact is that Trump allows us to have evidence to just tell guys like you that you are really dumb.

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Old Yesterday, 11:28 PM
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Maybe in this business friendly atmosphere, Clothy will be able to afford to fix a broken window next time.
And get a camera with a microphone.
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Old Yesterday, 11:29 PM
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Sure he is not, he just continues to show what a willful ignorant he is when Hillary was not.

https://climatecrocks.com/2017/05/06...aher-she-knew/


He is actually deeply involved into shady business. And speaking of an issue like climate change, Trump gave you the big lie that coal declined thanks to Obama. In reality, it was businesses decisions that businessmen made when they looked that natural gas and even some solar or wind energy technologies were cheaper.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/10/11/na...off-coal-minin


Even on that he is as fake as a 3 dollar bill.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/pol...skJ/story.html



The fact is that Trump allows us to have evidence to just tell guys like you that you are really dumb.
And not just dumb, but gullible as fuck. Trump will piss down their backs, they'll turn their faces to the droplets, open their mouths and swallow it down, all the while claiming it tastes as sweet as honey mead.
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The fact that he annoys the hell out of liberals on a daily basis is just a bonus.
All other things aside, why would you be happy that our government annoys 120 million people of our country on a daily basis?

I just don't understand that way of thinking.

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There are three major reasons I support Trump.

1. He ain't Hillary.
2. He is pro-business which we desperately needed after Obama's anti-business stance.
3. He is very plain spoken. No political correctness from him, and that is a breath of fresh air blowing through the swamps of DC.
1. Your first reason was never a good reason to begin with. A year after the election it is not even a reason.

2. Trump is demonstrably pro-Trump-business, and I seem to recall that his predecessor saved the auto and banking industries when they were facing collapse.

3. I think Trump says what he thinks his supporters want to hear. As do many politicians on both sides. The difference is that Trump's supporters have to do the heavy lifting to hear what they want him to say. Even his press secretary can't keep up with all his double-speak, word salad, and vitriol.

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The fact that he annoys the hell out of liberals on a daily basis is just a bonus.
Yes, yes. We know how you get your jollies. No need to repeat it.
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I am very pissed off that he thinks I should not have been born in September.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b002283002c6c0

It is, after all, the ninth month.
Unfortunately, his mother made an abortion in the ninth month.
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3. He is very plain spoken. No political correctness from him, and that is a breath of fresh air blowing through the swamps of DC.

The fact that he annoys the hell out of liberals on a daily basis is just a bonus.
It's not his un-PC language that annoys. It's his outright lies, his hypocrisy (criticizes Obama for playing golf, then plays more golf in 1 year than Obama did in 8), his claiming credit where none is due, his absence of qualifications for any type of government, his thin-skinned man baby outbursts, his blame shifting, his depriving America of overseas business, worsening the trade gap while blaming the exporters, his cronyism...

What the fuck ever, you're not reading this, and you just wear MAGA blinders while chasing imaginary environmentalist joggers anyway, so just consider this another answer to the OP.
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3. He is very plain spoken.
So we have Clothy on record as stating that "shithole" is appropriate Presidential language.
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That was directed to Clothahump, not Starting Artist.
It applies equally.
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And again with respect, but the widely held view that sickening insurance companies are getting rich off the backs of their victims is utterly incorrect. Most insurance companies realize a profit of around 3% on the money they take in vs. pay out in benefits. Cite. So for every one hundred dollars paid into health care in America, only three of it gets kept by the insurance companies, and $97 of it is paid out in service of patient healthcare. So the idea that everyone would be so much better off if only these greedy health insurance companies weren't profiting on everyone's illness is a fallacy and nothing much would be gained at all by taking that profit away.
I think you have things a bit confused. Health insurance companies must spend 80% of their premiums on health care. If they're making a 3% profit, that means that about 80% of premiums go to health care, 17% go to wages and expenses of the insurance company, and 3% goes into profit for shareholders. No insurer could afford to spend 97% of premiums on health care.
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It applies equally.
Not quite. Exact measurements show The Hump registering 832 millidouche where Starkers comes in at 857.

(No need to be embarrassed, ya'll a Texan, and half of us don't know shit, and the other half only knows that.)
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I'm sorry you were forced to admit that you've never had a passport, Starving, but it seems you don't need much knowledge or experience to be so very smart about so many things! Congratulations!!

When I saw this I thought maybe you didn't know that 100% minus 3% was 97%, but now I see you did that arithmetic correctly in your post. I'm sure it's unfair to hold you responsible for bullshit from the stupider Starving who, once upon a time, thought Trump had an MBA. ... But the following was posted by you less than a week ago. I've highlighted the portions you don't seem to remember.

Does this jog your recollection?
I've not heard back from you, Starving. You asked me a question; did I give you a satisfactory answer?
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It's most amusing how you people scramble to find any little flaw in someone's argument in an apparent effort to claim that the bigger point being made as to your erroneous statements is therefore rendered moot. Still, in this case, you fail even at that.

You might want to revisit my statement as quoted by tomndebb:

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And again with respect, but the widely held view that sickening insurance companies are getting rich off the backs of their victims is utterly incorrect. Most insurance companies realize a profit of around 3% on the money they take in vs. pay out in benefits. Cite. So for every one hundred dollars paid into health care in America, only three of it gets kept by the insurance companies, and $97 of it is paid out in service of patient healthcare. So the idea that everyone would be so much better off if only these greedy health insurance companies weren't profiting on everyone's illness is a fallacy and nothing much would be gained at all by taking that profit away.
Notice I said that 97% of the money that insurance companies take in is paid out 'in service of patient healthcare'. Naturally employee salaries are included, since without their employees, insurance companies couldn't function at all and no one would get health care. Ergo, the money spent to pay employees is indeed 'in service of patient healthcare'. Further, no company I've ever heard of includes employees salaries as part of their profit - mainly because it isn't!

So either you all already knew that and were disingenuously attempting to score points based on fallacy in the hope that the thread's readers would be taken in by it, or you really are just that ignorant as to how business works and how profit is defined. I have no trouble at all believing either.
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The logic that the employees' salaries should count as providing care to patients is absurd. Take two companies- Company A spends 80% of revenue on providing health care, 16% on salaries and expenses, and returns 4% profit to shareholders. Company B spends 60% of revenue on providing health care, 37% on salaries and expenses, and returns 3% profit to shareholders. I can't imagine anyone being foolish enough to think that Company A spends 96% of revenue on health care and that Company B spends 97%. There's a reason why the ACA mandates 80% of revenues to actually be spent on health care- it's the measure that matters. The profit is irrelevant.
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Apart from the fact that most companies pay their employees as little as possible in order to be competitive with other companies and to maximize profits, the original claim was that evil American insurance companies are getting rich at the expense of the sick, when in fact by any standard measure of profitability they are realizing profits less than half of what most companies who make enough profit to stay in business realize.
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the original claim was that evil American insurance companies are getting rich at the expense of the sick...
Was that the claim? I thought the common observation is that here in the US, we spend lots of money on health insurance companies, when that's pretty much a useless function that they're doing.
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I was responding to the following claim:

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The reality is the US system is completely indefensible from any perspective besides "Making lots of money for someone".
That statement was made by Martini Enfield on the U.S. healthcare system. He's a more civil and polite poster than many here but the sentiment is pretty much the same, which is that American insurance companies are getting rich off of the sick, when the reality is that this is not so.
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The American health care system is screwed up for so many folks because the incentives are all wrong, IMO. For a hard-working middle-class person who gets very sick, the insurance companies are not incentivized to try and give them the best possible care. They're incentivized to give them the cheapest possible care that still meets their legal obligations. And those obligations might not prevent them from getting through loopholes to screw the patient to the point that his chance of dying goes up, or the family's chance of going bankrupt goes up.

Other systems aren't perfect either, but at least they can remove or minimize the profit motives. Whatever is most incentivized will be what is maximized -- in the US, for most folks' health care, the insurance company's profit is what is most incentivized, and not the actual care of most folks.

For an alternative I have personal experience with in the US, look at active military health care. There is zero profit motive. It is entirely government run. Every active duty military member and their family gets top notch health care, with very little in the way of unusual waiting times or substandard care, and no chance of health bankruptcy.

That doesn't mean that every government run system will be great, but it means that a government run system is entirely capable of providing excellent health care.
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Perhaps this is a result of our military budget, which so many Democrats are always looking to cut.

For a more realistic view of how government operates outside the realm of active duty military people, take a look at V.A. hospitals and health care, which are widely reviled by those unfortunate enough to have to rely on them.

Further, look at Medicare, which, while most of its recipients are happy with it because it's better than nothing, is still nowhere near on par with the health care active duty military gets.

And while we're on the subject of active duty military expenditures, take a look at how wounded and maimed veterans are treated once they're out of the military.

Take into account also the fact that most of the people in the military are young and in very good health compared with the American population at large.

It's fallacious to look at how the country provides care for its active duty military (which the country depends on for its defense) and extrapolate from that that a government-run nationwide health care system would be similar.
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Perhaps this is a result of our military budget, which so many Democrats are always looking to cut.

For a more realistic view of how government operates outside the realm of active duty military people, take a look at V.A. hospitals and health care, which are widely reviled by those unfortunate enough to have to rely on them.

Further, look at Medicare, which, while most of its recipients are happy with it because it's better than nothing, is still nowhere near on par with the health care active duty military gets.

And while we're on the subject of active duty military expenditures, take a look at how wounded and maimed veterans are treated once they're out of the military.

Take into account also the fact that most of the people in the military are young and in very good health compared with the American population at large.

It's fallacious to look at how the country provides care for its active duty military (which the country depends on for its defense) and extrapolate from that that a government-run nationwide health care system would be similar.
It's also fallacious to look at the VA, which largely covers older people who have experienced various forms of trauma and hard-living, and extrapolate that a government run nationwide system would be similar.

Rather, both systems show that government run systems can be run well, or run poorly. A well run government system can be better than the current US health care system for most folks. A poorly run government system can be worse. The fact that active military and their families, which include lots of sick kids and others who need lots of care, get great care, demonstrates that government run systems can be successful.

Which is all that I'm saying. A government run system, if run well, can work, and it can work better than the current US health care system, for most. If it's run well. That shouldn't be a particularly contentious assertion.

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The trouble is that so few government run systems are run well.
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The trouble is that so few government run systems are run well.
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It's rather obvious that Starving Artist is seriously trying to derail the thread.

Can everyone who wants to discuss American health insurance do that in a new thread and keep this one remotely on topic?


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Seconded. This dead horse has been beaten enough.
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Yeah, damn that Starving Artist, always responding to questions and comments directed to him! What's up with that shit? Make him knock it off!
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... but the sentiment is pretty much the same, which is that American insurance companies are getting rich off of the sick
I don't think "making lots of money for someone" is equal to "insurance companies are getting rich." Insurance companies employing lots of people, and making a modest profit, is well within the scope of "making lots of money for someone," especially considering that the someones they're making money for are in functions that are basically an unneeded middleman.
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It's rather obvious that Starving Artist is seriously trying to derail the thread. ...
Ya think??

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Seconded. This dead horse has been beaten enough.
Let's bury the nag.
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