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Old 01-05-2017, 05:44 PM
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Prime Directive violated, everyone admits it was violated (As opposed to The Apple) and....things turn out for the better instead of the most immediate thing that could go possibly go wrong does.
There was an early episode in TNG where they stopped a pre-warp planet from going Krypton due to Data's violation of the PD.


Tucker & Dale vs. Evil was notable for
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being pretty much the only movie, ever, where the slightly creepy redneck wasn't the serial killer.
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Old 01-05-2017, 06:09 PM
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This is another one that I can't imagine being a trope. Any examples of this one?
I know I've seen this several times, but my memory for episodes and movies is pretty shoddy. The general trope is a family member/friend is visiting, usually unexpectedly, and the protagonist needs to put forward a successful version of life (or live up to a lie he's told his friends and family) with the cooperation of supporting characters. I'm pretty sure I've seen this as "oh, I told mom I have a serious girlfriend, can you pretend to be mine" or something of that sort, as well as of the type "I'm a bigshot here where I am now" when they're just a regular Joe Schmoe.

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Old 01-05-2017, 06:33 PM
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There was an early episode in TNG where they stopped a pre-warp planet from going Krypton due to Data's violation of the PD.


Tucker & Dale vs. Evil was notable for
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being pretty much the only movie, ever, where the slightly creepy redneck wasn't the serial killer.
Tucker & Dales versus evil is brilliant because it turns a lot of horror movie tropes on their head. It is also a genuinely good movie for those that haven't seen it.
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Old 01-05-2017, 10:35 PM
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A married couple are having sex, their kid tries to open their door, but it turns out it's locked. Same deal when the kid's masturbating & a parent (or younger sibling) tries to open his door. Or the bathroom door. It's like door locks don't exist in sitcoms.
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Old 01-06-2017, 12:19 AM
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In a typical action movie foot-chase scene, neither the pursued nor the pursuer is ever even the slighted bit out of breath when it is over. I'd like to see Jason Bourne on his knees puking his guts out after his next big chase.
In an episode of the detective series Cannon, the morbidly obese title character (played by William Conrad) chases on foot after a bad guy who's hijacked a bus. He manages to catch up before it really gets going and pull himself in through the back door, but once on board he's so whacked out all he can do is collapse onto one of the seats, gasping for breath.
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Old 01-06-2017, 01:53 AM
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A married couple are having sex, their kid tries to open their door, but it turns out it's locked. Same deal when the kid's masturbating & a parent (or younger sibling) tries to open his door. Or the bathroom door. It's like door locks don't exist in sitcoms.
Talking about doors in general, one trope that is present in a lot of comedies is to have a swinging door between the kitchen and living room.
The Dick van Dyke Show
All in the Family
Maude

I know I've seen more, but that's all I can remember right now. I have never seen a house in real life that had such a door. There's usually no door at all.

Another one that I really hate is that whenever a cast has 4 or 5 main characters, one of them will be REALLY stupid.
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Just for once could the petite "martial artist" get their ass handed to them by the hulking guard. Combat sports are segregated by weight. There is a reason Mayweather never fought Danny Williams.
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Old 01-06-2017, 02:40 AM
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Talking about doors in general, one trope that is present in a lot of comedies is to have a swinging door between the kitchen and living room.
The Dick van Dyke Show
All in the Family
Maude

I know I've seen more, but that's all I can remember right now. I have never seen a house in real life that had such a door. There's usually no door at all.
The house I grew up in had no locks on any of the doors other than front and back entrance. Also we had a swinging door between kitchen and dining room.
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Old 01-06-2017, 02:44 AM
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Hey! Our house has a swinging door between the kitchen and living room, too!
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Old 01-06-2017, 03:03 AM
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The bomb detonates with the digital clock still reading time left as 2:43.

And all the wires in the bomb are the same color when the bomb squad opens it up.
Sherlock subverts this by just flipping the off switch.

Speaking of which, I'd love some smarmy Sherlock type detective finger the killer through a series of casual observations and brilliant deductions, only to be totally and thoroughly wrong. The real killer is caught and arrested by the local plod, who discovered them by, you know, doing police work. Gathering evidence, building a case, following proper procedure.
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Old 01-06-2017, 03:41 AM
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Just for once could the petite "martial artist" get their ass handed to them by the hulking guard. Combat sports are segregated by weight. There is a reason Mayweather never fought Danny Williams.
Something close for you, from Fear City (1984). (Spoilers, probably)
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Old 01-06-2017, 08:40 AM
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In sci-fi shows: When main character says "I saw this crazy thing!" the rest of the characters default positions should NOT be: "Oh you're just tired, stressed, or seeing things"
I just read a book where two FBI agents--one deep in the mystery, one new to it--were chased out of a basement by a bunch of corpses that got to their feet and shambled after them, led by a corpse that had clearly undergone an autopsy (the coroner who'd performed it was on hand and stated she'd removed the brain). Later, the experienced FBI agent mentions ties to voudoun legends, and the rookie is all, "Voodoo, really, you expect me to believe that bullshit?"

Yeah, actually, I do: YOU WERE JUST CHASED BY ZOMBIES. This isn't the time for reflexive cynicism, lady!
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Old 01-06-2017, 09:08 AM
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Speaking of which, I'd love some smarmy Sherlock type detective finger the killer through a series of casual observations and brilliant deductions, only to be totally and thoroughly wrong. The real killer is caught and arrested by the local plod, who discovered them by, you know, doing police work. Gathering evidence, building a case, following proper procedure.
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Isaac Asimov did this in A WHIFF OF DEATH, when the 'brilliant amateur sleuth' protagonist gets told that all of his observations and deductions (a) prove nothing, and (b) if anything, support a weak case against him. The unimaginative local plod agrees that our hero has nothing conclusive, but does so with so stupid a comment that it prompts the real killer to incriminate himself -- at which point the cop drops the Columbo act, having gotten the win by tripping the guy up.
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Old 01-06-2017, 09:52 AM
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Heroes are stuck in a room with no obvious means of escape. One gets the idea to open the ventilation duct, grabs a flashlight and pokes his head in there. "Nope, can't do it. It's too small, won't support our weight, and has turns."

Computer whiz searches for something online. He uses a mouse. Computer does not beep and boop. He discovers that he can't find floor plans for the bad guys' lair online.

Computer whiz wants to hack into bad guy's system. He guesses at the password, is wrong, and gets locked out.

Cop finds bag of unknown white powder. Hands it to a colleague with a test tube of solution that turns blue when cocaine is added to it. Without putting a grain of the unknown powder in his mouth, cop confirms that it is cocaine.

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Old 01-06-2017, 09:57 AM
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Speaking of which, I'd love some smarmy Sherlock type detective finger the killer through a series of casual observations and brilliant deductions, only to be totally and thoroughly wrong.
Really? I think this subversion happens often enough that it has itself become a cliché. Though to be fair, the Sherlock character is usually proven wrong by someone else immediately pointing out some rather obvious incriminating evidence he overlooked, rather than a long period of careful, conventional police work.

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Old 01-06-2017, 11:00 AM
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Hero is sneaking into the bad guy's lair, throws a knife at a guard and it hits him hilt first.

Hero cop is taken off the case and suspended so he goes home and reflects on his methods, concluding that following procedure would actually be the best way to solve crimes and afford him better career growth.

Villain is caught and taken to jail at the end. He doesn't die in a hail of bullets, he doesn't blow up on top of a building or fall to his death or crash into the ocean or have a semi truck fall on him. He just gets arrested and hauled away.

The military, shadowy government agency, or secret government cabal doesn't have some evil super secret plan to take over everything.
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Old 01-06-2017, 11:44 AM
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More specific than a cliche, but still....

Scrooge: Boy! What day is it?

Boy: Why, it's Boxing Day, o' course!

Scrooge: Ah, shit! [Scrooge goes back into his house, slams the door. In the spring, neighbors report a strange smell coming from Scrooge's apartment.]
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Old 01-06-2017, 11:57 AM
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The Manic Pixie Dream Girl trope (e.g. Garden State) where instead of fairy tale true love, a few years later, they progress to the more likely outcome of an insane dysfunctional train wreck.
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Old 01-06-2017, 12:09 PM
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Villain is caught and taken to jail at the end. He doesn't die in a hail of bullets, he doesn't blow up on top of a building or fall to his death or crash into the ocean or have a semi truck fall on him. He just gets arrested and hauled away.
The Dark Knight
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Old 01-06-2017, 02:32 PM
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I'd like to see a stay at home mother get knocked on the head and wake in an alternate reality where she's a successful childfree career woman; she decides like's the alternate reality better.
Close to this is the Twilight Zone (1985) Season 1 Episode 13 segment "But Can She Type?".
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Old 01-06-2017, 02:34 PM
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A criminal who does not tell the good guy his entire life of crime before he attempts and fails to kill him.
Personally I like Phineas and Ferb where the villian has the most ridiculous backstory of all time.
"I was raised by Ocelots."
"My father made me stand in the garden and be a lawn gnome."
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Old 01-06-2017, 02:44 PM
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Hero's sidekick: "[Hero], don't kill [defeated bad guy]! You'll be just as bad as he is!"

Hero goes ahead and kills bad guy, suffers no lasting psychological damage or loss of moral center.
No moralizing sidekick, but subversion of the trope where the Good Guy can't kill or he'll become bad - Firefly Season 1 Episode 1 "The Train Job"
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Mal: Now, this is all the money Niska gave us in advance. You bring it back to him. Tell him the job didn't work out. We're not thieves. But we are thieves. Point is, we're not takin' what's his. Now we'll stay out of his way as best we can from here on in. You explain that's best for everyone, okay?

Crow: Keep the money. Use it to buy a funeral. It doesn't matter where you go or how far you fly. I will hunt you down, and the last thing you see will be my blade.

Mal: Darn.

{Kicks Crow through running engines. Next bad guy is brought forward}

Mal: Now, this is all the money Niska gave us in advance...

One of Niska's Soldiers: Oh, I get it! I'm good. Best thing for everyone. I'm right there with ya.

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Old 01-06-2017, 02:49 PM
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Sherlock subverts this by just flipping the off switch.

Speaking of which, I'd love some smarmy Sherlock type detective finger the killer through a series of casual observations and brilliant deductions, only to be totally and thoroughly wrong. The real killer is caught and arrested by the local plod, who discovered them by, you know, doing police work. Gathering evidence, building a case, following proper procedure.
The first half of this (Sherlock being totally wrong) was done brilliantly in a Flashman short story Flashman and the Tiger - which was based on the Sherlock story "the empty house".

Flashman's granddaughter is being blackmailed by Colonel Moran, so Flashman resolves to murder him (he normally avoids anything so violently heroic, but Moran threatens his granddaughters honour) - and disguises himself as a bum to commit the crime. He doesn't need to go through with the killing, because Sherlock catches Moran - but he's caught at the scene (he feigns drunkenness).

Sherlock proceeds to make a series of brilliant, but totally wrong, deductions about the "bum", while the plodding Watson (correctly) identifies him as Flashman - but Sherlock convinces Watson he's wrong!

[The kicker is that Flashman was gulled into protecting his granddaughter because he thought she was an unsullied pure type - only to find out that the reason his granddaughter wanted Flashman's help was to protect the fact she was having an affair with "Beastly Bertie", the heir to the throne! Flashman ruefully - but happily - concludes his granddaughter has inherited his own sensual, manipulative character].
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Old 01-06-2017, 03:06 PM
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I'd like to see ... one where a devout Christian goes through a major life or family crisis, and when it's all over realizes there is no God and embraces Atheism.
Close to this is the Twilight Zone (1985) Season 1 Episode 13 segment "The Star" based upon Arthur C. Clarke's The Star (It's odd that two of your plot requests are somewhat examined in the same Twilight Zone episode - da di da da...)
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A group of space explorers from Earth return from an expedition to a remote star system, where they discovered the remnants of an advanced civilization destroyed when its star went supernova. The group's chief astrophysicist, a Jesuit priest, is suffering from a deep crisis of faith, triggered by some undisclosed event during the journey. The final paragraph of "The Star" reveals
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the deepest root of the priest's pain. Determining the exact year of the long-ago supernova and the star system's distance from Earth, he calculated the date the emitted light from the explosion reached Earth, proving that the cataclysm that destroyed the peaceful planet was the same star that heralded the birth of Jesus. The scientist's faith is shaken because of the apparent capriciousness of God:

Oh God, there were so many stars you could have used. What was the need to give these people to the fire, that the symbol of their passing might shine above Bethlehem?
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Old 01-06-2017, 03:15 PM
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Cop finds bag of unknown white powder. Hands it to a colleague with a test tube of solution that turns blue when cocaine is added to it. Without putting a grain of the unknown powder in his mouth, cop confirms that it is cocaine.
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William Shatner: [advising Trey on how TV cops taste drugs] You spear the knife into the bag... then pick some of the drugs up with the knife... then lightly press it on your tongue. And that is how TV cops taste drugs!
Detective Mitch Preston: What if it's cyanide? There's a reason real cops don't taste drugs.
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Old 01-06-2017, 03:35 PM
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The police captain calls in the talented cop who doesn't do things by the book...

Captain: Give me your badge and gun.

(The cop reluctantly does so)

Captain: Here's your new badge and a better gun. You're promoted! What, did you think we were gonna make you sit at a desk? You solve half the crimes in this precinct! If I took you off the streets, I'd be demoted within a week!

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Old 01-06-2017, 04:41 PM
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Here's a scene I'd like to see...

Set-up: Two characters, let's call them Bill and Mary. (More often then not, the "Mary" in the scenario is the love interest to the "Bill.") Bill has performed some bone-headed stunt that will have unintended, BAD consequences for Mary. It hasn't happened yet, but the dire consequence is imminent. Bill know it will happen, but Mary does not.

Mary is putting on her coat and is about to walk out the door.

Mary: "Well, I'm (off to work/going to the interview/on my way to my parents/etc.)"

Bill: "Ummmm.....Mary. There's something I have to tell you."

Mary stops everything, and turns to face Bill, flashing a big smile, waiting.

Mary: "Yes, Bill? What do you want to tell me?"

Bill: (After a looooooong pause) "Nothing."

Mary: "What? No, seriously what is it? Obviously, SOMETHING is on your mind. Come on, tell me!"

At which point, Bill confesses everything. Mary is upset, but understands that it was an accident and appreciates that Bill had the guts to tell her ahead of time so that she can brace herself and perhaps head off whatever shit is about to come her way. There is no scene later on in the movie where Mary screams "Why? Why didn't you tell me???"

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Old 01-06-2017, 04:53 PM
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Speaking of which, I'd love some smarmy Sherlock type detective finger the killer through a series of casual observations and brilliant deductions, only to be totally and thoroughly wrong. The real killer is caught and arrested by the local plod, who discovered them by, you know, doing police work. Gathering evidence, building a case, following proper procedure.
Law & Order, as in the entire (original) series subverts the "brilliant deduction" trope - just about every episode's first half is exactly what you describe in your second sentence.


Briscoe: "There was a pizza box at the scene - the pizza was untouched, like it had just been delivered. Maybe the delivery guy knows something."
Van Buren: [wearily] "All right, start calling the pizza places in the neighborhood."
[Briscoe and Green, looking really unenthusiastic, walk over to their desks.]

<cut - presumably to some time later - Briscoe and Green still hunched over their phones>

Green: [smiling] "Lennie! I've got a hit! That pizza was from a place 3 blocks away, and delivered between 7 and 7:30. I got the delivery guy's address!"
Briscoe: [grabs his coat] "Let's go."



I've long thought that showing this kind of police work was one of the secrets to the show's incredible popularity and longevity. It's comforting, in a way. We all know that if we or someone close to us is the victim of a horrific crime, the chance of getting a Sherlock on the case is zero - and L&O reminds us that we don't NEED a Sherlock. Lennie Briscoe can find the killer just fine - and he'll be more likely to have followed the proper procedures that will lead to an actual conviction too.
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Old 01-07-2017, 06:13 AM
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I've long thought that showing this kind of police work was one of the secrets to the show's incredible popularity and longevity. It's comforting, in a way. We all know that if we or someone close to us is the victim of a horrific crime, the chance of getting a Sherlock on the case is zero
Well, unless you happen to be watching Law & Order: Criminal Intent, in which case the chance of getting Sherlock and Watson on the case is exactly 50% (for seasons 5–9) or 100% (for seasons 1–4 and 10).
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Old 01-07-2017, 07:30 AM
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A great many of these tropes intersect with the Evil Overlord tropes.
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Old 01-07-2017, 10:00 AM
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On "Law and Order," it would be refreshing if the rapist or killer DIDN'T turn out to be a white millionaire.
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Old 01-07-2017, 11:38 AM
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Hey! Our house has a swinging door between the kitchen and living room, too!
Our first house did too. 1970s design with a galley kitchen. You may have seen a similar design in Breaking Bad with the White's house. (A somewhat different design in a newer part of town, and I think it was a modified plan to boot--my parents were the second or third owners, so I don't know for sure.)
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Old 01-07-2017, 01:28 PM
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Instead of detectives with awful personal issues, I'd like to have a police character who is happy and well adjusted.
While admittedly I never watched her show, I can't exactly see Angela Lansbury's character sitting in a darkened office with the obligatory shadow of Venetian blinds on the wall behind her, with her fedora, triple scotch, three day stubble, and Camel dangling from the corner of her mouth, mordantly pondering the existential dread and ennui of "too many women, too many pills"* thing.

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Old 01-07-2017, 01:52 PM
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On "Law and Order," it would be refreshing if the rapist or killer DIDN'T turn out to be a white millionaire.
Or more importantly, it would be refreshing if the rapist or killer on "Law & Order", "Law & Order SVU" DIDN'T turn out to be the big name guest star on that episode.
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Old 01-07-2017, 02:21 PM
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DThis is another one that I can't imagine being a trope. Any examples of this one?
You could make the argument that Three's Company fits this trope. Jack Tripper has to pretend to be gay to be able to stay in his apartment. There was also an episode where he had to pretend to be his own twin brother.
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Old 01-07-2017, 02:25 PM
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While admittedly I never watched her show, I can't exactly see Angela Lansbury's character sitting in a darkened office with the obligatory shadow of Venetian blinds on the wall behind her, with her fedora, triple scotch, three day stubble, and Camel dangling from the corner of her mouth, mordantly pondering the existential dread and ennui of "too many women, too many pills"* thing.

*thank-you, Mr. Johnson
Somebody needs to produce this show now!
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Old 01-07-2017, 02:35 PM
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If we're locked in to "three day stubble," then perhaps we should cast Chynna instead.
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Old 01-07-2017, 02:44 PM
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Also sort of on Firefly:
Mal: Sure. It would be humiliating. Having to lie there while the better man refuses to spill your blood. Mercy is the mark of a great man.
*stab*
Mal: Guess I'm just a good man.
*stab*
Mal: Well, I'm all right.
Also, the jet engine.
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Also, the jet engine.
Also, Mal (?) in a life-or-death struggle with a villain, and his allies come onto the scene, and one says, "This is something he needs to finish himself," and he says, "No, no, you can kill him!" so they all shoot his opponent.
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Old 01-07-2017, 03:31 PM
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Fans of Sherlock Holmes could point to Arthur Conan Doyle's "Adventure of the Yellow Face" as an example of a story in which the genius detective comes up with a solution to a case that is brilliant, logical, and completely wrong.

At the end of the story, Holmes tells Watson "If I ever become too arrogant, kindly mention 'Norbury' to me."
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Villain grabs hostage, points gun to hostage's head, tells cop, "Drop your gun or I'll kill him/her."

Rather than complying and putting the gun down (as always happens,) the cop simply takes a well-aimed shot and kills the hostage-taker.
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Hero's sidekick: "[Hero], don't kill [defeated bad guy]! You'll be just as bad as he is!"

Hero goes ahead and kills bad guy, suffers no lasting psychological damage or loss of moral center.
A similar scene I like seeing subverted: the protagonist is a regular person (not a cop or a soldier or something like that) being menaced by a villain. "You don't have the guts to pull that trigger!"

Protagonist empties the clip into their chest.

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang pulled that one off brilliantly.
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Villain grabs hostage, points gun to hostage's head, tells cop, "Drop your gun or I'll kill him/her."

Rather than complying and putting the gun down (as always happens,) the cop simply takes a well-aimed shot and kills the hostage-taker.
Nick Nolte shot the bad guy holding Eddie Murphy in 48 Hours.
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In post #14, Leo Krupe gives a written quotation from a movie without mentioning what movie it is. It's from L. A. Confidential. Here's the scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yw2bYGTbFM
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Villain grabs hostage, points gun to hostage's head, tells cop, "Drop your gun or I'll kill him/her."

Rather than complying and putting the gun down (as always happens,) the cop simply takes a well-aimed shot and kills the hostage-taker.
The best subversion I have seen of that:

Bruce Willis in the Fifth Element.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TyxxLHfBwE

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The natives are just as petty, violent, mean-spirited, cruel and avaricious as the outsider interlopers, have NO mystical connection but only seemed closer to the soil because they had no choice to survive, and are eager to get themselves some material possesions, technology and money.

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The lone wolf who sees the truth even though no one believes him should turn out to be completely wrong.
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Also how about a movie where main character has to return to the small town where they grew, and has a bunch of experiences that only serve to remind them why they moved away from their family to the city in the first place?
Hell yeah I've argued for these for a while.
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Rather than complying and putting the gun down (as always happens,)
Always? IME, that's how a minority of how those scenes go.

Most often - hero doesn't put the gun down, but keeps talking, trying to talk the villain down. Usually works. When it doesn't, the bad guy usually gets shot (often by the lead's partner). Occasionally they're taken down without gunfire. Rarely does the situation work out for them.

Next most - hero does just what you say and shoots the guy.

Rarely - hero shoots, either shooting the bad guy through the hostage, or just shooting the hostage.*

And a lot of the time, when the lead does put down their gun, they've got backup that the villain doesn't see.

* My favourite version of that version, from Star Trek: Enterprise...the Enterprise crew is fighting a bunch of old-west outlaws (it makes sense in context, and not through time travel, either)... One of them grabs T'Pol, and makes his threat. Reed shoots T'Pol with his phase pistol's stun setting...the bad guy just looks confused as he drops what he thinks is T'Pol's corpse, and Reed stuns him.
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The natives are just as petty, violent, mean-spirited, cruel and avaricious as the outsider interlopers, have NO mystical connection but only seemed closer to the soil because they had no choice to survive, and are eager to get themselves some material possesions, technology and money.

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To some extent, that was Mel Gibson's "Apocalypto." It showed the Indians as brutal savages who pretty much DESERVED to be crushed by the Spanish conquistadors.

As for small towns, well, let's face it, there is a plethora of novels, plays, stories and movies showing small town America as Hell. Everyone from Edgar Lee Masters to Sinclair Lewis to Grace Metalious to Shirley Jackson has told us that small town America is filled with ignorant, bigoted, provincial, hypocritical assholes.

That's at least as popular a meme as "small town Americans are the salt of the Earth."

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Making a phone call....as soon as the number is dialed, an incoming call is already coming in, but it's fucking impossible to retrieve the incoming call because the phone is being douchey and not letting you answer the fucking thing, and instead just goes into voicemail, essentially tying up your phone for a bit, as you wait there....

......meanwhile a smiling Fernando Rey putters away on his pleasurecraft.....

ETA - another phone thing -

"Ok talk to you later."
"Yeah bye-bye."

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