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Old 08-27-2011, 01:03 PM
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TW will plummet faster now because there are a lot of players right behind him in the rankings. The drop of his OWGR average is actually slowing down. Why because all of his 2009 PGAT wins (except BMW) have cycled off the two year period. The fact that he is inactive right now is his own fault. he had two tournaments to play and all he needed to do was finished 48th or better in both of them. 48th!!!!! for christ sakes. He could not even do that. If he finished 20th in either tournament, he would have qualified for the playoffs. It is BAD PLAY that is making his ranking plummet, not inactivity.

He could have gone to Scotland this week and play. he could go to Holland, Switzerland, etc to play in the next few weeks. Those tournaments would love to have him play. He constantly claims he needs to get "Reps". He claims he is healthy. Opportunity knocks. But he ain't answering the door. Don't give the Inactivity BS. Because it simply is not true.
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Old 08-27-2011, 01:05 PM
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For the record, TW didn't mind playing the Honda on sponsors exemption back when he was amateur. of course, he never has re-payed that invitation with an appearance while he was a pro.
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Old 08-27-2011, 01:14 PM
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FWIW since the Fire Hydrant. Tiger has not finished better than 4th in any official Tournament. Has not even finished in the top 10 a full field PGATournament. Yes he has T4 finishes in three majors, but they are not "full field PGA Tournaments" as they are not run by the PGATour. the Masters has only ~100 players, and about 10%-15% of them absolutely no chance of winning or even competing for the tournament. The US Open field is diluted with about 50-60 qualifiers that absolutely have no chance of winning for finishing in the top 20. Tiger Woods was THE WORLD CLASS PLAYER pre Fire Hydrant, but he is just another player right now.
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Old 08-27-2011, 01:43 PM
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The fact that he is inactive right now is his own fault.
Absolutely. And it's his own fault he didn't play the Sony or Honda or whatever. I never said it wasn't. I'm just saying that because of that, his official ranking is much lower than his actual performance.

We are so used to seeing him win or contend almost every week that he looks like a bum now, but that's because they still show every shot he hits, even when he's having a bad week. Almost every other player gets to suffer in obscurity, and we only see them when they are playing well, so we don't notice them missing five cuts a year.


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The drop of his OWGR average is actually slowing down. Why because all of his 2009 PGAT wins (except BMW) have cycled off the two year period.
Thank you for an EXCELLENT example of why you're wrong.

Tiger's current OWGR average, even with the 40-event minimum divisor, is
3.21. Because of the depreciation formula they use, Tiger's 2009 BMW win is now worth 2.22 points, and his 2nd in the TC is worth only 1.82.

In other words, as good as those finishes were, they are HURTING his average now. If Tiger had played 45 events in the last two years, then having those events age off would HELP Tiger's average. But since he is already well below the minimum divisor, any events that age off can only lower his average even more.

Tiger is one of only three golfers in the world top 50 who is in this situation, the other two being Manessero and Clark. Tiger has played by far the fewest events of anyone in the top 50.

So yes, his inactivity is what is making his ranking more than twice as low as his results warrant, and it's getting worse, not better, as events age off. You are welcome to say it's his own fault, but the math doesn't care whose fault it is.

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Old 08-27-2011, 01:50 PM
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FWIW since the Fire Hydrant. Tiger has not finished better than 4th in any official Tournament. Has not even finished in the top 10 a full field PGATournament. Yes he has T4 finishes in three majors, but they are not "full field PGA Tournaments" as they are not run by the PGATour. the Masters has only ~100 players, and about 10%-15% of them absolutely no chance of winning or even competing for the tournament. The US Open field is diluted with about 50-60 qualifiers that absolutely have no chance of winning for finishing in the top 20. Tiger Woods was THE WORLD CLASS PLAYER pre Fire Hydrant, but he is just another player right now.
A prudent man would just stop posting, rather than try to make a case that racking up top 4's in majors is no big deal because "they are not run by the PGA Tour."
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Old 08-27-2011, 02:32 PM
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In other words, as good as those finishes were, they are HURTING his average now. If Tiger had played 45 events in the last two years, then having those events age off would HELP Tiger's average. But since he is already well below the minimum divisor, any events that age off can only lower his average even more.
His BMW win is not hurting his OWGR avg. if he didn't have those 2.22 points, his average would be 3.16 not 3.21. yes the 40 tournament divisor is hurting his average, but it has hurt his average for a very long time. It is his own fault for not playing tournaments. Results from 50 weeks ago hurts everyone averages not just Tigers so that argument does not hold any water. Mickelson's avg is impacted at the TC is impacted more than TW's finish in the BMW. It hurts everybody. Apples and apples.

And this is what TW ranking has been all summer, and projected ranking into November. You can see that the change each week is decreasing. The little blip was the WGC where he actually earned a few points:

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Date         Avg          Delta
06/13/11	4.532	
06/20/11	4.376	0.156
06/27/11	4.225	0.151
07/04/11	4.073	0.151
07/11/11	3.929	0.145
07/18/11	3.784	0.145
07/25/11	3.64	0.145
08/01/11	3.495	0.145
08/08/11	3.426	0.069
08/15/11	3.312	0.114
08/22/11	3.214	0.098
08/29/11	3.116	0.098
09/05/11	3.025	0.09
09/12/11	2.937	0.088
09/19/11	2.867	0.07
09/26/11	2.797	0.07
10/03/11	2.737	0.061
10/10/11	2.676	0.061
10/17/11	2.615	0.061
10/24/11	2.555	0.061
10/31/11	2.494	0.061
11/07/11	2.433	0.061
11/14/11	2.375	0.058

you know, its funny that no one ever complained about the OWGR averages when Tiger was #1. He hasn't played the full compliment of tournaments in a long long time. IMO, the OWGR does an outstanding job, but I would make some major and minor tweaks. One, make it 12 months ranking system, tournaments from 23 months ago should not be impacting the rankings whatsoever. yes a miss cut from 23 month ago is only marginally different than a win from 23 months ago. Neither should count. And 18 player events should not count.

Tiger's 2nd place in the Chevron was worth 30 points, he only beat 15 players many of which were on sabbatical (like Stricker and Furyk). Those 30 points are impacted his avg by more 0.5 pts right now or else he would be outside the top 50.
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Old 08-27-2011, 02:36 PM
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A prudent man would just stop posting, rather than try to make a case that racking up top 4's in majors is no big deal because "they are not run by the PGA Tour."
I'll take reading between the lines for $500 Alex. My intention is to say that the typical PGATournament has a deeper field from top to bottom than the said that the Masters and US Open fields. The fields at majors are diluted. with qualifiers, past champions, and/or club pros. The 140th ranked guy at a PGATournament has a better chance to win and compete that the 140th ranked guy at the USOpen.
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Old 10-07-2011, 10:46 AM
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Tiger is making about ~8th comeback since the fire hydrant this weekend. At the Frys.com tournament in Northern California.

In a auspicious start, he shot a 73, 2 over par to be T86 after round 1. He will probably have to shoot 70 or better to make the cut.

Frys.com has one of the weakest fields of the year on the PGATour thus far, and THE weakest if you consider only stand alone tournaments (not opposite field events). There is only one player ranked inside the top 40 (Paul Casey) and he is been playing poorly for most of the year.

Tiger was in the early wave today, but the second round has been delayed due to fog.
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Old 10-07-2011, 10:50 AM
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Fred Couples cannot be liking his Presidents Cup pick right now. he had to leave off the only American major winner this year (or the FEDEX Cup champion) in order to pick Tiger Woods, who is in jeopardy of not making the cut in what basically is a minor league event.
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Tiger had a good round to make the last 36 holes. But really hasn't worked himself into the tournament.
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Old 10-07-2011, 09:35 PM
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Tiger had a good round to make the last 36 holes. But really hasn't worked himself into the tournament.
I don't know; there are only half a dozen guys more than four shots ahead of him. If he could just have a round where he doesn't lose a ball, he could make that up fairly easily.

I have to say, though, that I am surprised at how bad he looks. At his presser Wednesday, he (to his credit) removed every excuse he had for playing bad. He said his leg was 100%; he said he had been practicing hard; he said he had assimilated his swing changes and was now down to fine tuning.

Then he came out Thursday and looked exactly like he looked a year ago. His head was ducking, he was popping up drives, he took two shots to get out of a bunker, and he was missing drives wide right and left. And his putting was just average. I literally saw no evidence that he was any better than he was at last year's BMW, let alone this year's BMW. He can still hit great shots, but now it's only every third or fourth hole.

I think he needs to dump Foley and go back to his original swing. I'm assuming the rumors are true about the Harmon swing putting too much strain on his knee, and the Haney swing is when he started dipping his head and missing his drives by a mile. I don't care how good whatever Foley is trying to teach him looks on paper, it is clearly too complicated to repeat reliably under Fry's pressure, let alone major pressure. If the best golfer who ever lived (which is what I think Tiger is) only hits fairways by accident after a year (off and on) of working with the new swing, then the swing is wrong for him.

Tiger won the Masters by 12 with his amateur swing --- he should go back to that.
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Old 10-08-2011, 05:55 PM
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The early reports said that he wouldn't play again this year. In the past, I'd credit his quick return to his Lone Wolf*-like regenerative ability. Now, it smacks of desperation.

Another -3 68 today. Has a shot at a top-20, but no way in hell is he winning this thing.

His age is starting to show. He did the right thing by making the most of his explosive talent when he had the chance, and now he has to adjust to being less strong, less focused, less precise, less...perfect. It's a tough transition for any dedicated sportsman.

You almost have to feel sorry for ESPN. They bought into him early and now are in so deep that they can't let go. Sports Illustrated, no problem. Literally a new face every week. If a star crashes and burns, they can let him go with no regrets (and it's such a common occurrence that calling "jinx" is ridiculous). ESPN knows damn well that their golfing audience doesn't give a damn about Lee Westwood or Hunter Mahan; they have no choice but to keep the faith and wait for a great rebirth that is just not going to happen. When you tout a -3 following a +2 as a spectacular rebound, you know you're desperate.

Man, where the heck did Ernie Els come from?

* Look, I like that series, and I can't say Jason Voorhees every dang time, a'right?
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Old 10-08-2011, 07:02 PM
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ESPN? Huh? Golfchannel maybe. Not ESPN, they barely cover golf anymore.

Looks like TW is T38 and 10 shots off the lead. About the best way to describe his game is: Just Another Golfer.
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:54 PM
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"Tracking Tiger" is still on the website, and there are plenty of highlights of him (such as they are) on SportsCenter. I have no doubt that they should give it up, but this network eats, sleeps, and breathes hype...it's not going to be easy. Heck, look how long it took them to stop buying into Brett Favre.

Most of his slow burn has been due to injury, and he's always saved the best for the majors. He'll spring back; the only question is how far. If he goes one more year without a major, I think it's safe to write him off then.
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T30th. Even though he closed with three 68s in a row, he fell further and further out of the lead after each round. 6 shots after Round 1, 7 shots after Round 2, 9 shots after round 3, 10 shots after Round 4.
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ESPN? Huh? Golfchannel maybe. Not ESPN, they barely cover golf anymore.

Looks like TW is T38 and 10 shots off the lead. About the best way to describe his game is: Just Another Golfer.
Well, that is an improvement from earlier in the year.
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T30th. Even though he closed with three 68s in a row, he fell further and further out of the lead after each round. 6 shots after Round 1, 7 shots after Round 2, 9 shots after round 3, 10 shots after Round 4.
T30 against this field has to be considered a failure for the week, especially after the way he built up expectations about how ready to play he was. He should play another Fall Series event before going to Australia, but after his round today, he said there is no chance of that. Big mistake, IMO.
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:40 PM
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Tiger should play every event he can get into including the silly season of Skin games and trick shots.
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Old 11-10-2011, 11:24 PM
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Tiger is leading the Australian Open late in the second round. Looks like Fred Couples made the right call. Interestingly, Couples is beating all of the American President's Cup team at -4 except for Tiger.
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Old 11-11-2011, 05:19 AM
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Tiger is leading the Australian Open late in the second round. Looks like Fred Couples made the right call. Interestingly, Couples is beating all of the American President's Cup team at -4 except for Tiger.
There are two members of the American team who are iffy for next week --- Stricker and Mahan. I'd love to see Freddie step in and play if one or the other can't.

And what a good start for Tiger. Disappointing that he played the back nine in even par today with perfect conditions (and damn I wish I could have watched Bubba birdie the last three holes in strong winds), but it's hard to complain about having the solo lead.
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Old 11-11-2011, 08:44 AM
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The Australian Open has 15 players that actually have a resume and 130 from the Hooters Tour.

96 players are ranked outside the top 1000 in the ranking
Another 26 players are ranked from 500-1000.

This is like the Chevron Tournament that filled out the tournament from the mini-tours.
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Old 11-11-2011, 10:45 AM
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It is fair enough to criticise the strength of the field, but if Tiger wants to get his form back then it is probably sensible to get used to leading again. This is probably a good tournament in that respect.

It doesn't give us a good feel for where his game is at the moment though but I'm sure he's realised that it'll be a long climb back for him.
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Old 11-11-2011, 10:51 AM
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Tiger needs to play as many events as possible. Because he is Tiger, any win will be noticed. If he comes up with a few in a row, he can get back some of his mojo and some of the fear he generated in other pros. He is finally doing the right thing. He thought he could take a lot of time off and go back in and win in majors. Not true.
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The Australian Open has 15 players that actually have a resume and 130 from the Hooters Tour.
True, but the US Open isn't being played this week, so what do you want him to do?
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True, but the US Open isn't being played this week, so what do you want him to do?
Well the Barclays Singapore Open on the EuroTour has a better field than Australian Open. with 26 players in the top 100 and 60 players in the top 200.


If he does win this week, it is definitely a step in the right direction. But it is not a PGATour type quality field. OWGR will rate it highly because they only care about the top players and it does have 9 of the top 22 players but it is slim pickings after that.

There will be a lot of over-the-top fawning that he is back, ready to win 8 or 9 times and 2 majors. I just want point that he is beating about 15 world class golfers, and a boatload of others that are just filling out the field.

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Well the Barclays Singapore Open on the EuroTour has a better field than Australian Open. with 26 players in the top 100 and 60 players in the top 200.
Better, but not great. At any rate, he committed to this tournament several months ago.

We agree that a win here will be a step in the right direction. Actually, his play so far has already been a step in the right direction. He seems to be getting his short game and his stinger back. IMO those are the second and third most important parts of his A game, the first, of course, being putting.
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Better, but not great. At any rate, he committed to this tournament several months ago.
You asked what else I wanted him to do. This was a stronger option, and probably more ranking points (depending on the Home Tour calculation).

of course Barclays probably would not write a check for $3 million dollars to show up.
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You asked what else I wanted him to do. This was a stronger option, and probably more ranking points (depending on the Home Tour calculation).
Fair enough.

BTW, what do you think of Phil only getting 72% of the votes for the Hall of Fame? You might have noticed I'm a Tiger fan, but how in the world can anyone who plays or reports on golf for a living not acknowledge what Phil has done in the last 20 years? If 40 wins and four majors isn't enough to make the HOF on the first ballot, what is?
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Fair enough.

BTW, what do you think of Phil only getting 72% of the votes for the Hall of Fame? You might have noticed I'm a Tiger fan, but how in the world can anyone who plays or reports on golf for a living not acknowledge what Phil has done in the last 20 years? If 40 wins and four majors isn't enough to make the HOF on the first ballot, what is?
If I were a voter, I don't think I'd vote for him either. Not because he's undeserving, but because he's still a very competitive golfer. Hall of Fame honors shouldn't be given out until someone retires (at least from the regular tour.)
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If I were a voter, I don't think I'd vote for him either. Not because he's undeserving, but because he's still a very competitive golfer. Hall of Fame honors shouldn't be given out until someone retires (at least from the regular tour.)
I tend to agree that a full-time major (not senior) tour pro should not be eligible for the HOF. Given the nature of golf, you can't wait until they stop playing completely, but I'd say if they go five consecutive years without playing at least 10 events in any of those years, then you can say they're no longer full time.

And that's the way I would vote if that question were on the ballot. But that wasn't the question.

The question was, does Phil deserve to be in the HOF? And voting no, because you don't happen to agree with some rule that has nothing to do with that question, is IMO an insult to Phil. Given some of the very marginal players already in the HOF, a guy with his record should get in by a vote of 100%.
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I heard 78% of the ballot. And I don't know if the 22% included the ballots that were not returned. I can see 15-20% of the voters not returning a ballot.

IMO, I probably would not have voted for PM either. I think first ballot Hall of Famers are for the truly exceptional golfers, players like Woods, Nicklaus, Sorenstam, Wright. the once in a lifetime athletes. I think there should be a special wing in the Hall of Fame for the best of the best. And PM is not there (yet?).

It doesn't work that way in golf, but that is my criteria.

***I also happen to think that 'Hefty' is done. I have heard rumors that his arthritis is worse than he is letting on. It will be interesting if he plays 36 holes on the 2 session day in the Pres. Cup next week.

Mahan pulled out of the tourney in Australia with an injury and Stricker is still apparently not fully committed to the Prez Cup.

BTW, There are Emirates Flight Attendants standing at most of the tees. They look so strange to me, almost like mannequins.

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Phil is one of the greatest. There is no way anyone can say he is not a HOFer.
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Old 11-11-2011, 08:45 PM
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Tiger bogeyed the first three holes then birdied the fourth. Some of these greens are like bowling alleys. Tiger's second shot on 2 looked perfect but when it hit the green 20 feet in front of the hole, it bounced WAY over the flag and ended up a good 30 yards past the pin.
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Old 11-12-2011, 12:44 AM
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75 for Tiger today. It's all part of his strategy. He knows that the wind will steadily increase tomorrow, so late starters will be at a disadvantage.
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Old 11-12-2011, 08:52 PM
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Tiger played the front nine in -3 today. The back nine has three par 5's and a driveable par 4. I'm guessing he goes for it (he's three back of Chalmers.) Could post a low number and shake up the field behind him.
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The bogey on 11 killed him. I don't know how many times he has to bogey a par-5 to get the idea that until he can hit the fairway more than one time in five with his driver, he should just leave it in the bag.

If he doesn't get his short game back, he won't win anyway. If he does, then he'll birdie par-5's half the time, and take bogey out of the picture, driving with a 3-metal or iron. That's better than making bogey half the time with the driver, even if he does make an occasional eagle.

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The bogey on 11 killed him. I don't know how many times he has to bogey a par-5 to get the idea that until he can hit the fairway more than one time in five with his driver, he should just leave it in the bag.

If he doesn't get his short game back, he won't win anyway. If he does, then he'll birdie par-5's half the time, and take bogey out of the picture, driving with a 3-metal or iron. That's better than making bogey half the time with the driver, even if he does make an occasional eagle.
Everything you say makes sense. Tiger's problem is, he thinks he's Tiger Woods! And he's not. Not any more.

There's no reason he can't be competitive for years to come, and no reason he can't still be a damn good golfer. But he has a terrible obstacle to overcome: he USED to be able to make spectacular shots that no one else could have made. He's DONE it so often that it's going to be VERY hard to convince him he can't make the now.
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It looks like Tiger can compete if he doesn't have to hit driver.

Two of the par 5's at the Aussie Open can be hit with long iron off the tee and and another long iron second shot. I am not sure of any par 5's on the PGATour similarly designed, certainly not the tournaments that Tiger plays.

the course was only about 6900 yds which is short by PGAT standards and hitting irons off the tee was the general play from the pros

And Tiger apparently is able to hit long iron fairly well.

The T-shot on 11 was wildly left. the Tee-shot on 13 was wildly right. He did hit two good drivers on #3, 8 (I think they were drivers).

this week is the Presidents Cup. the course is on what is known as the Sand Belt, so chances are it will be hard and fast track. That should bode well for long irons, unless the course is full of 490 par 4's.
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Presidents Cup and Tiger and Stricker got creamed. They lost 7-6 and did not win a hole, did not have one bird. They lost 2 holes with bogies. Yet the US won 4-2 first day.
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Presidents Cup and Tiger and Stricker got creamed. They lost 7-6 and did not win a hole, did not have one bird. They lost 2 holes with bogies. Yet the US won 4-2 first day.
They lost the last two holes with pars.

They were actually 3 over par. They bogeyed Holes #5, #7, #9 . Actually the bogeys on #5, #7 were conceded 8-10 ft putts after Choi/Scott made par.

It is difficult to analyze anything from alternate shot, but neither Stricker or Woods hit any good shots but the 2 shots that led to conceded bogeys were hit by Woods, and Stricker hit a bad iron shot on 9 that led to the 'true' bogey.

They didn't make any putts after indifferent iron shots.


Disclaimer, Stricker hit a good iron shot on hole #2 that hit the flagstick and spun away from the hole. It ended up 20 ft away when it probably would have been 4or 5 feet away.
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I hope Tiger saved some of his billion dollars. It looks more and more like he will not get back.
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About the only good thing you can say about that match is that Scott and Choi played so well that it was lucky for the US that they faced our worst team that day. A different matchup, and we would have lost two matches instead of just one.

Oh well, as Tiger said about Stevie, let's look forward. Should be very interesting to see him paired with DJ.
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I hope Tiger saved some of his billion dollars. It looks more and more like he will not get back.
If Tiger spent every dime he had today, he would still be richer than you and me combined by tomorrow. God only knows how much Abu Dhabi just offered him to make him skip Torrey Pines next year.

And you can't judge the state of his game by one off round, especially on that course. He struck his ball fairly well, except for, as usual, his driver. But RM is like Augusta --- a ball that lands a yard off the perfect spot can end up 50 feet away from the hole.
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He has a very bad track record since he came back. Lots of bad starts and missed cuts. He has had a couple decent starts and blowups at the end. He has shown little reason to think he can come back.
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Another loss for Tiger today. he played better today, but hard to make any concrete judgment with the conditions.

Only US player with two losses.

Early start tomorrow afternoon with two sessions. Could Tiger possibly get benched in one of the sessions? 2 players sit out each session.
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Painful to watch yesterday. Good ball striking and good putts, but nothing went in. If he'd putted like the old Tiger, he would have shot about a 61.

Tiger and Stricker playing the last two singles matches. Given the US lead, they probably won't matter.
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Tiger had a nice win today, which happened to clinch the Cup.
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The difference in the President's Cup was Couples selecting Tiger vs. Norman selecting Allenby. Stricker was awful in the first foresomes match - it wasn't Tigers fault they lost so badly.

He is totally back, his shots are crisp and clean, and his putting was extremely good. His length was perfect and his line was just off on some of the nastiest greens on the planet.

He'll win at least three tourneys next year, and at least one of them will be a major. Just put him back on some familiar greens.
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"it wasn't Tigers fault they lost so badly. "

Stricker/Woods were 3 over in that match, no birdies.

They made three bogeys on #5, #7, #9.

Tiger hit the tee shot on #5 into a green side bunker, dead. They were conceded a 10 ft bogey putt when Scott/Choi made par

Tiger hit the tee shot on #7 into a bush, unplayable lie. They were conceded a 10 ft bogey putt when Scott/Choi made par.

Stricker hit a poor approach shot into a bunker and they made a legitimate bunker.

They would have lost to any other team out there that day. It was a team effort that they lost and IMO, Tiger hit the worst of the bad and indifferent shots.

Tiger was 2-3 this week, and people are claiming he his back. he beat the #47 player in the world who went 1-3-1 this weekend. Aaron Baddley is not a world beater.
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Tiger was 2-3 this week, and people are claiming he his back. he beat the #47 player in the world who went 1-3-1 this weekend. Aaron Baddley is not a world beater.
I didn't check all the scorecards, but I think he would have won no matter whom he played today.

But it's true that it's way too early to say he's back. People forget that he played even better at the Ryder Cup last year, in both the team and singles events. And he played well at the Chevron last year, too. And he finished 4th at the Masters. I thought he was back when he did that. Then his game turned to shit.

The difference is that now, he's healthy, and he seems to be assimilating his new swing. If he can play four days in a row like he played today, he'll beat anybody who isn't having a career week. But if he slips some 75's in there, like he did last week, then he'll still be a top player, but he won't win very often.
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