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Old 06-03-2019, 11:04 PM
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Who should be in the pamphlet “Famous Jewish Sports Legends”...


When Airplane! came out in 1980? Today? Would the pamphlet be bigger today?

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Old 06-03-2019, 11:48 PM
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A few I found when I googled "Jewish Athletes" (there are many others, but these have some name recognition):

As of 1980:
- Sandy Koufax
- Hank Greenberg
- Lou Boudreau
- Lyle Alzado
- Mark Spitz
- Dolph Schayes
- Sid Luckman

Additional since then:
- Ryan Braun
- Kevin Youkilis
- Sasha Cohen (the figure skater, not the actor)
- Kerri Strug

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Hall of Famer Rod Carew (he converted.)
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Old 06-04-2019, 07:50 AM
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I believe there's no evidence that Carew actually converted--he certainly married a Jewish woman, attended Jewish services, and raised his kids Jewish--but it's not at all clear that he ever "officially" became a Jew. Boudreau, I think, had a Jewish mother, but identified as Catholic. Do they qualify as Jewish?

My information could be wrong--too lazy to look it up just now--but I think it's correct.

I read a book about Jewish sports figures once. A lot of impressive athletes, and a few who were not so impressive... Still, any list that includes Koufax and Greenberg is an impressive list!
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You know how nowadays, some people debate whether blacks have inherent racial advantages at sports, because they're so overrepresented in basketball and football? Well, back in the day (1930s, I think it was), people asked the same questions about Jews and boxing.
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people asked the same questions about Jews and boxing.
Jews were also basketball's ethnic stereotype then. Then somebody (it's contested) invented the jump shot.

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Hall of Famer Rod Carew (he converted.)
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Shawn Green (outfielder for Blue Jays, Dodgers, and other teams). He once hit four home runs in a single game.

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Aly Raisman (Gymnastics)
Max Baer (Boxing)
Sue Bird (WNBA)
Dara Torres (Swimming)
Ian Kinsler (MLB)
Lyle Alzado (NFL)
Sarah Hughes (Skating)
Nate Ebner (NFL)
Jay Fiedler (NFL)
Andre Tippett (NFL)
Amy Alcott (Golf)
Corey Pavin (Golf)
Mitch Gaylord (Gymnastics)
Eric Nystrom (Hockey)
Kenny Bernstein (Motorsports)
Jim Fuchs (Track and Field)
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Old 06-04-2019, 09:29 AM
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Jews were also basketball's ethnic stereotype then.
Just the fact I was going to mention.
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Max Baer (Boxing)
Doesn't count as a cite, because I can't find the source, and Baer wore the Star of David on his trunks when he fought Schmeling, but -
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I seen him in the shower. He ain't Jewish.
To make up for that, Benny Leonard, who was undoubtedly Jewish, was one of the greatest lightweights of all time.

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Baseball players Gabe Kapler, if he'd been better, or Kevin Youkilis, if he'd ever been healthy.
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Doesn't count as a cite, because I can't find the source, and Baer wore the Star of David on his trunks when he fought Schmeling, but -
I'd seen Baer on the list that Google generated when I googled "Jewish athletes" -- but, when I looked up his Wikipedia entry, it indicates that his father was "half Lutheran German and half German Jewish," that his mother was "of Scots-Irish Protestant American ancestry," and that he was "raised in a nominally nonsectarian home."

My Gentile understanding of Jewish lineage is that, according to the Code of Jewish Law, a child is considered to be Jewish if their mother is Jewish. By that reading, if I understand it correctly, Baer's father might have been considered to be Jewish (from a church law standpoint), depending on if his "half Jewish" lineage was his mother, but Baer, himself, would not have been.

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I believe there's no evidence that Carew actually converted--he certainly married a Jewish woman, attended Jewish services, and raised his kids Jewish--but it's not at all clear that he ever "officially" became a Jew...
I trust the guys at Jew or not Jew, so you're right. Stupid Sandler.
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I'd seen Baer on the list that Google generated when I googled "Jewish athletes" -- but, when I looked up his Wikipedia entry, it indicates that his father was "half Lutheran German and half German Jewish," that his mother was "of Scots-Irish Protestant American ancestry," and that he was "raised in a nominally nonsectarian home."

My Gentile understanding of Jewish lineage is that, according to the Code of Jewish Law, a child is considered to be Jewish if their mother is Jewish. By that reading, if I understand it correctly, Baer's father might have been considered to be Jewish (from a church law standpoint), depending on if his "half Jewish" lineage was his mother, but Baer, himself, would not have been.
The Jewish mother thing is mostly only important to the Orthodox. But him being raised in a non sectarian home would likely disqualify him from the groups who allow patralinial descent.
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The Jewish mother thing is mostly only important to the Orthodox.
Conservative Judaism also still considers it to be the standard, at least officially.
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Dave Schultz, Olympic gold medalist winner in wrestling, who was sadly murdered by crazy rich guy John du Pont.

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lotta worse baseball players than Alex Bregman mentioned so far. (And a few better ones.)
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Dave Schultz, Olympic gold medalist winner in wrestling, who was sadly murdered by crazy rich guy John du Pont.

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His brother Mark also won a gold at the same Olympic event, he should count too.
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His brother Mark also won a gold at the same Olympic event, he should count too.
True, also Mark fought at UFC 1 and beat the brakes off his much larger opponent around 6 months after his brother's death. He could have been a champ in MMA if he had chosen to pursue it.
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Backstroke expert Lenny Krayzelburg “broke the 50, 100 and the 200 m world records” in the pool even before he earned four Olympic gold medals.
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NHRA drag racing is probably a bit too obscure to be found in a book of "legends" - though he was indeed highly dominant in that small niche of motorsport. Jody Scheckter is surely better known, having been very successful in Formula One in the 1970s and also noted for driving a unique six-wheeled car, the Tyrrell P-34, at one point. Francois Cevert from the same era, was also Jewish - or at least "half" Jewish, by ancestry, I have no idea about his personal beliefs and he's no longer around to explain them, but he was without a doubt legendary. Current F1 driver Lance Stroll is Jewish, and while only time will tell if he will be a legend, he's off to a decent start just by virtue of being in F1 at all, as he is literally not yet old enough to buy a beer.
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Jews were also basketball's ethnic stereotype then. Then somebody (it's contested) invented the jump shot.
Sure were. Does anyone here know what the original name of the (originally Philadelphia) Warriors was?

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The SPHAs, which stood for South Philadelphia Hebrew Association
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More of a footnote than famous, but I can't resist mentioning Mose Solomon, the "Rabbi of Swat," supposedly the Jewish Babe Ruth (The Sultan of Swat). He set a minor league record for homers in 1923 but played only a couple of games for the NY Giants in the majors.
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I have to mention brothers Terry and Ron Braunstein, who were two members (skip and second) of the winning team in the 1965 Brier (Canadian men's curling championship).
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Depending on the criteria...


Jack Dempsey claimed to have a Jewish great-grand-mother named Rachel Solomon. His wife sometimes called him "Ginsberg".
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I believe Dempsey's family was nominally Mormon. Mormons call non-Mormons "Gentiles", including Jews. So, depending on the criteria, Dempsey was a Mormon Jewish Gentile.

I have to go lie down now.

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lotta worse baseball players than Alex Bregman mentioned so far.
But no one brought up Art Shamsky, member of the Jewish Baseball Hall of Fame. He has a new book out about the '69 Miracle Mets.

Moe Berg is more deserving of making the list of Great Jewish Spies, along with Sidney Reilly a.k.a. the Ace of Spies, and Two-Gun Cohen.
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A tad bit early for either "famous" or "legend", but Jack Hughes, a hotly sought-after prospect, just became the first Jewish person to be the 1st overall draft pick in the NHL.

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Unfortunately, IRS, Irwin R. Schyster, seems to have been just a stage name used by an Italian-American guy.
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I believe Dempsey's family was nominally Mormon. Mormons call non-Mormons "Gentiles", including Jews. So, depending on the criteria, Dempsey was a Mormon Jewish Gentile.

I have to go lie down now.

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Not long after he won the heavyweight championship from Jack Johnson in 1915, Jess Willard attended a performance by magician Harry Houdini in New York City. Houdini was unfailingly gracious, introducing Willard to the audience as "our champion". But Willard was in a foul mood, calling Houdini a "fake" and a "four flusher". They had words, which ended with Houdini declaring that "one day, when you are no longer champion, I will still be Harry Houdini, and a gentleman".

It would have really cemented Houdini's reputation as a seer if he had added, "And four years from now, a skinny Jewish Mormon is going to beat the crap out of you".
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David Beckham, as in "Bend It Like", has referred to himself as "half-Jewish".

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Sam Snead, the pro golfer whose record for PGA wins is about to be broken by Tiger Woods.

Most people didn't realize Sam was Jewish, since he was a hillbilly from Appalachia and a professed Christian. But he gave himself away when he did a Pepto-Bismol commercial in the late 50's:

"I play golf for a living, so I can't afford to have an upset stomach on the Day of Atonement."

ETA: if you are mystified, read it out loud in a West Virginian drawl.

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The Jewish mother thing is mostly only important to the Orthodox. But him being raised in a non sectarian home would likely disqualify him from the groups who allow patralinial descent.
Having dated quite a number of Jewish girls and known their run of the mill Jewish families, this is not the case. Pretty much every one held this belief. The girls had a lot more latitude when it came to picking mates, the boys would feel the mother's wrath if they brought a shiksa home more than a handful of times. Mind you these were your every day suburban midwestern Jews, the kind that ate bacon, partied and drove on Friday nights and only busted out their yarmulke on the way to shul. None I would call "orthodox" or "conservative".

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The elevan Israeli athletes killed by Black September at the Munich Massacre in 1972.
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..Current F1 driver Lance Stroll is Jewish, and while only time will tell if he will be a legend, he's off to a decent start just by virtue of being in F1 at all, as he is literally not yet old enough to buy a beer.
Lance Stroll is Canadian. He was born in Montreal and although only 20 has been able to literally drink beer in his home province for almost 2 years.
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