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The lady they found (Rena Owen) was in 2 Star Wars movies (ep 2 and 3) as well.

The actors/actresses keep getting recycled. Time for Shatner to make a surprise appearance (or Takei if they want some gay jokes)
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Have you ever heard of "head cheese"?
Nothing a little soap and water can't fix.

BTW, what was the British SF series that used "smeghead" a lot as an insult?
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Oh! That was the painting of Gallifrey burning! Like I said, do NOT make a drinking game of Seth's references.
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The remains of the asteroid were shown to be moving away from the planet.
Why not just deflect the damned thing instead of creating lots of potential problems for the future? Put it into a completely different orbit.
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The lady they found (Rena Owen) was in 2 Star Wars movies (ep 2 and 3) as well.

The actors/actresses keep getting recycled. Time for Shatner to make a surprise appearance (or Takei if they want some gay jokes)
I'd expect Patrick Stewart to go first, given his long-standing association with MacFarlane (Stewart voices Avery Bullock on American Dad, narrated MacFarlane's movie Ted etc.)
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Oh! That was the painting of Gallifrey burning! Like I said, do not make a drinking game of Seth's references. You might die.

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Going back to the earlier episodes

One other detail that I picked up is that one can see the Empire State building and Brooklyn Bridge in the background. (Still looking for the Chrysler building)

The Empire State Building is dwarfed by the buildings around it which seems a little unrealistic but consider new Super tall buildings under construction and planned in New York (and Dubai) it might be feasible

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Why not just deflect the damned thing instead of creating lots of potential problems for the future? Put it into a completely different orbit.
Apparently at its full mass, it's too big to deflect. One cut roughly in half, though, the daughter asteroids can be pushed around more easily and presumably parked into safe orbits.

I have a bigger problem with being able to see the planet in the background. I have to figure that if the asteroid is that close, you don't have months before it hits; you have minutes or seconds. Oh, well... artistic license.
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Bryan, my dear friend, I tried to go all trek/science/sf/whatever nerd, but it's just a show. Look at his ex when it gets stupid. That's why the Golden Age covers were drawn.
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Bryan, my dear friend, I tried to go all trek/science/sf/whatever nerd, but it's just a show. Look at his ex when it gets stupid. That's why the Golden Age covers were drawn.
I especially like November:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-b4-mnbjZD...micscovers.jpg
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Patrick Stewart should show up in a Shatneresque toupee.
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I thought the advocate for the Moclan made pretty reasonable arguments (and some of the Orville crew's arguments were super weak - oh, a female of super strong species is stronger than the male of a weaker species, no shit?) and that socities that are more or less functioning perfectly fine should be able to handle their own matters internally - so I was actually happy to see the resolution of the episode and thought well of the show for how it turned out. On Star Trek our crew would've made perfect arguments and the backwards race would've made comically evil/poor arguments and our crew would've won with their moralizing ways wrapping it all up with a ribbon. This was actually fairly brave for a light hearted trek type show.
"Brave" was precisely the word my wife and I used. The "wrong" side won. There was no trick, no change of heart; the baby went through a sex change, and that's that. Mercer and Grayson walked away in defeat.

By network show standards that's... not edgy, but honest, shall we say. The good guys did not prevail, and maybe the bad guys were not all bad.
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On reflection, the early throwaway scene with the doctor and the blob seems relevant. So she thinks they're not compatible as species? Big deal, he (?) can extrude a penis-like structure (probably a pretty versatile one) as needed, so what difference does it make?
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Patrick Stewart should show up in a Shatneresque toupee.
I read somewhere he wore a rug when asked to meet with Paramount executives prior to being confirmed as Picard. It was so ratty that Roddenberry and Justman made him take it off.
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Nothing a little soap and water can't fix.

BTW, what was the British SF series that used "smeghead" a lot as an insult?
Red Dwarf.
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Red Dwarf.
That's it!

I had one of my EFL classes record an episode from a script I got off the Internet. Since they were all high schoolers, I had to gloss over the meaning of that particular term.
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When they successfully split the asteroid (unlike Spock in the TAS), I was expecting the planet that they saved to go after them for some reason that this asteroid was essential to their society.
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I was waiting for the problem to be compounded because there were now thousands of smaller asteroids to worry about, in addition to the two big chunks.
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Apparently at its full mass, it's too big to deflect. One cut roughly in half, though, the daughter asteroids can be pushed around more easily and presumably parked into safe orbits.

I have a bigger problem with being able to see the planet in the background. I have to figure that if the asteroid is that close, you don't have months before it hits; you have minutes or seconds. Oh, well... artistic license.
Wait... so that scene wasn't supposed to be an obvious send-up of Armageddon? I thought the joke was, "We told the whole story of your two-hour movie in two and a half minutes!"

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"Brave" was precisely the word my wife and I used. The "wrong" side won. There was no trick, no change of heart; the baby went through a sex change, and that's that. Mercer and Grayson walked away in defeat.
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Perhaps they should've shown Rudolph to the tribunal.
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3rd episode was entertaining, surprising ending.
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Nice that their deus ex machina find did not actually resolve the issue as the hoped. On Star Trek it surely would have.
Yeah, that was defiantly a huge twist.

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Even after the tribunal ruled in favor of the surgery I was expecting Klyden to have a change of heart.


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My guess is that 'male' and 'female' are simply variant body morphs, with no real biological difference. They only use the terms because the morphs generally resemble the males and females of other humanoid species.
That's what I'm thinking too; the Moclans are a race of hermaphrodites; the overwhelming majority have what other species consider masculine characteristics, and the even the pronouns and words male & female are just a translation convention. Still it's odd that they went so far as to have Heveena were a dress.

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All I can say is; awesome episode. McFarlane took massive risks, bringing by my count about half a dozen controversial issues into sharp relief. What I liked about it is how he subverted expectations. The "father" of the baby is the one born female. The aliens have their own real culture, they are not just humans with skin diseases. And the ending; there is no great epiphany for the "backward" culture, and no great make-up/break-up scene, the partners just, try and live on.
I agree with everything.

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Standard from STNG onward.
Speaking of which, this episode is right up there with STNG.
Was it about female circumcision?

All hail Rudolph!
MacFarlane also reference the replicating center; which appeared in 1 scene of 1 episode of TNG (& yes immediately recognized it). I think intersexuality would be a better analogy that female genital mutilation. The parallels are pretty obvious when you think about it.

"Femalehood" is an extremely rare condition (though possibly not as rare as people think) that the entirety of the medical & legal establishment are in agreement that it must be "corrected" for the child to have any chance at a normal life. It's a big enough emergency that the Moclans government was willing to divert a starship in order for 2 of it's citizens to have it done on their child.

Male circumcision is an even worse analogy; plus by the 25th century human medical science is probably going to be advanced enough that it could be reversed as easily as getting your ears pierced.
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Was it about female circumcision?
Highly unlikely. I can't say for sure what the writers were thinking about, but aside from the comparison to circumcision, which invariably comes up in discussions of FGM, it doesn't actually fit that.

'Correction' of intersex children is closest. It's not even merely analogous - aside from the 'single sex species' aspect, it's exactly the same situation.

It also hits most of the tropes of science-fictional trans analogies.
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I can't say for sure what the writers were thinking about, but aside from the comparison to circumcision, which invariably comes up in discussions of FGM, it doesn't actually fit that.
Actually, it just occurred to me that I'm slightly wrong on this point - Klyden having been altered, and insisting the child has to, also connects to FGM.

Intersex 'correction' still fits better, though.
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As an aside, I'd just like to note that the scene in the Holodeck with the bandito dancing to "Girls Just Want To Have Fun" was probably the best laugh-out-loud moment of the series so far.
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Nothing a little soap and water can't fix.

BTW, what was the British SF series that used "smeghead" a lot as an insult?
I believe you're thinking of Red Dwarf. A comedy Sci-Fi series itself.
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