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When assembled, did the toothpicks form a square?

Other four-sided shape?

Did the toothpicks end up next to each other in a single plane?

Are the assembled toothpicks all parallel to each other?

Are any perpendicular to another toothpick?
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Old 03-25-2020, 02:04 PM
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Why did little Eddie send four toothpicks and some string to the Quaker Oats Company?
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When assembled, did the toothpicks form a square? The toothpicks were not four sides of a square.

Other four-sided shape? The toothpicks were not meant as sides of a shape. They were functional.

Did the toothpicks end up next to each other in a single plane? No

Are the assembled toothpicks all parallel to each other? Yes.

Are any perpendicular to another toothpick? No
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Was the string tied to the toothpicks?
Wrapped around the toothpicks?
Did the string hold the toothpicks in place?
Did a Quaker ad of the time reference toothpicks?
Was Eddie referencing a Quaker ad character?
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Was Eddie concerned about the Quaker?
Were the toothpicks & string intended to support something?
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So all the toothpicks are parallel to each other, but not in the same plane...

Do the strings create a square shape or other four-sided shape when tied to the toothpicks?

Does the assembly have to do with playing a game?

Is it meant to be a 'hoop' or something akin to a soccer goal?

Does it create something that you would throw something through?

I guess I've been assuming that little Eddie was a child, but is that true?

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Was the string tied to the toothpicks? Yes, or at least it would be when assembled properly.
Wrapped around the toothpicks? No. Though I guess you could rope the string once around a each toothpick...
Did the string hold the toothpicks in place? No
Did a Quaker ad of the time reference toothpicks? No
Was Eddie referencing a Quaker ad character? No
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Old 03-25-2020, 03:52 PM
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Was Eddie concerned about the Quaker?
Were the toothpicks & string intended to support something?
No to all.
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Old 03-25-2020, 03:53 PM
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So all the toothpicks are parallel to each other, but not in the same plane... Each toothpick is parallel to any other toothpick once the creation is complete.

Do the strings create a square shape or other four-sided shape when tied to the toothpicks? Yes

Does the assembly have to do with playing a game? No

Is it meant to be a 'hoop' or something akin to a soccer goal? No

Does it create something that you would throw something through? No

I guess I've been assuming that little Eddie was a child, but is that true? Yes, Eddie is a child.
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Were the toothpicks and string already bound together?
Were they intended to help oats grow?
Did Quaker Oats suffer some kind of setback prior to Eddie's offering?
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OK, now I think I know (almost) all the details.

Were the toothpicks and string already bound together? OK, this detail I don't know. But I think Biotop already said no.
Were they intended to help oats grow? No
Did Quaker Oats suffer some kind of setback prior to Eddie's offering? No
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Was the assembly decorative or functional?

Did Eddie believe the item was requested by Quaker?


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Old 03-25-2020, 07:16 PM
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Was the assembly decorative or functional? I am not sure. I think probably functional but I don't know what the kid was thinking. Maybe both.

Did Eddie believe the item was requested by Quaker? No
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Old 03-26-2020, 07:02 AM
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Was the device intended to relate to a particular product of Quaker's? Oats? Cereal? Other?

Did it relate to the production of products, equipment or people working at the company?

Was the delivery intended for a particular person working at Quaker?

Was Eddie linked to Quaker in any way other than this delivery?
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Was the device intended to relate to a particular product of Quaker's? Oats? Cereal? Other? No, but you could maybe make an argument for "other"?

Did it relate to the production of products, equipment or people working at the company? No

Was the delivery intended for a particular person working at Quaker? No

Was Eddie linked to Quaker in any way other than this delivery? I'm going to say yes, I guess?
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Old 03-26-2020, 09:13 AM
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Eddie sent this to Quaker Oats because he wanted someone at QO to assemble the toothpick & string device.

Eddie sent it to QO because he wanted QO to benefit from the device.

Eddie sent it because he wanted to benefit personally from QO assembling and using the device.

Eddie personally knew or had contact with someone at QO, and that is why he sent the stuff.
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Old 03-26-2020, 10:29 AM
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Eddie sent this to Quaker Oats because he wanted someone at QO to assemble the toothpick & string device. Yes

Eddie sent it to QO because he wanted QO to benefit from the device. No

Eddie sent it because he wanted to benefit personally from QO assembling and using the device. Yes. Though "benefit" is a strong word

Eddie personally knew or had contact with someone at QO, and that is why he sent the stuff. No
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What an odd story this must be...

Did Eddie want or expect to get the assembly back from QO?
Did Eddie expect QO to send the assembly to someone else once assembled?
To somewhere else after assembly?
Did Eddie expect QO to keep the assembly?
Did Eddie expect QO to use the assembly?
Did QO actually assemble it?
Did Eddie get the "benefit" that he wanted?
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Old 03-26-2020, 10:52 AM
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What an odd story this must be...

Did Eddie want or expect to get the assembly back from QO? No
Did Eddie expect QO to send the assembly to someone else once assembled? Probably. It is only a guess what a child was thinking.
To somewhere else after assembly? Yes
Did Eddie expect QO to keep the assembly? No
Did Eddie expect QO to use the assembly? Yes, but not for QO, for Eddie.
Did QO actually assemble it? No.
Did Eddie get the "benefit" that he wanted? No.
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Old 03-26-2020, 11:03 AM
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Addenda:

Did Eddie get the "benefit" that he wanted?

Eddie probably was unaware he did not get the actual physical benefit he wanted, so you could argue Eddie got the true benefit of his action regardless of whether or not the assembly actually happened later.
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Did Eddie want them to assemble something using the toothpicks, string, and an empty quaker oats container? Like a drum he could hang around his neck?
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Did Eddie want them to assemble something using the toothpicks, string, and an empty quaker oats container? Like a drum he could hang around his neck? No

And again with the caveat about not knowing a child's thought process, but it's also possible that Eddie expected that he wouldn't get what he "wanted", and was doing it as a joke. But what he did, did make sense.
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Old 03-26-2020, 11:27 AM
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Did Eddie want them to assemble something using the toothpicks, string, and an empty quaker oats container? Like a drum he could hang around his neck?
No. Eddie did not expect to have the items returned to him and no other items were required for assemblage.
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Old 03-26-2020, 12:46 PM
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Did Eddie want the item assembled, then sent somewhere to be used? A farm? factory?

Were the toothpicks to be used to poke holes in something? scratch marks?
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Was Eddie's stuff intended make something with a QO tube?
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Were the toothpicks and string supposed to create some kind of fence or enclosure?

If yes to this:

-Was the geographical location of the fence important?

-Was it supposed to contain some specific kind of plant/animal/fictitious being?

-Did Eddie have (or at least believe he had) some claim to whatever was supposed to be inside?
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Old 03-26-2020, 01:33 PM
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Did Eddie want the item assembled, then sent somewhere to be used? Yes
A farm? factory? No

Were the toothpicks to be used to poke holes in something? Yes
scratch marks? No

Was Eddie's stuff intended make something with a QO tube? No

Were the toothpicks and string supposed to create some kind of fence or enclosure? Yes

If yes to this:

-Was the geographical location of the fence important? Yes

-Was it supposed to contain some specific kind of plant/animal/fictitious being? No

-Did Eddie have (or at least believe he had) some claim to whatever was supposed to be inside? Yes

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Was the specific location on land owned by QO?

Here's a guess: Eddie had buried some treasure there earlier, and wanted it protected from tilling!
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Was the specific location on land owned by QO? Yes

Here's a guess: Eddie had buried some treasure there earlier, and wanted it protected from tilling! No.
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Did Eddie know the exact location for the fence to be erected?

Had Eddie been there before?

Did QO buy the land from someone Eddie knew about or was acquainted with?
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Did Eddie know the exact location for the fence to be erected? No

Had Eddie been there before? No

Did QO buy the land from someone Eddie knew about or was acquainted with? No
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Did Eddie know the exact location for the fence to be erected? No

Had Eddie been there before? No

Did QO buy the land from someone Eddie knew about or was acquainted with? No
Eddie almost certainly did not know the exact location but theoretically he could have...
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Hmm... I'm thinking of those "rainforest protection sales" which were a thing here in Sweden back in the -80:s (I "bought" half an acre of rain forest in Costa Rica myself from some school kids for some $50 -- hope they got a fun school trip!) Though the -50:s seems a bit early for ecological awareness..!

Did Eddie buy the rights to that diminutive spot from QO (even by sending them like 20 box tops or something like that)?
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Hmm... I'm thinking of those "rainforest protection sales" which were a thing here in Sweden back in the -80:s (I "bought" half an acre of rain forest in Costa Rica myself from some school kids for some $50 -- hope they got a fun school trip!) Though the -50:s seems a bit early for ecological awareness..! No

Did Eddie buy the rights to that diminutive spot from QO (even by sending them like 20 box tops or something like that)? Yes
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I think we might be close enough now to call it, but I'll leave that to Biotop, since he was the one who posed the puzzle.
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Hmm... I'm thinking of those "rainforest protection sales" which were a thing here in Sweden back in the -80:s (I "bought" half an acre of rain forest in Costa Rica myself from some school kids for some $50 -- hope they got a fun school trip!) Though the -50:s seems a bit early for ecological awareness..! No

Did Eddie buy the rights to that diminutive spot from QO (even by sending them like 20 box tops or something like that)? Yes
OK, so a marketing trick, which Eddie bought into? And then tried to enforce, by sending in his own personal fence for the plot?

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OK, so a marketing trick, which Eddie bought into? And then tried to enforce, by sending in his own personal fence for the plot?
That's pretty adorable if that's it.
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Old 03-26-2020, 05:19 PM
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OK, so a marketing trick, which Eddie bought into? And then tried to enforce, by sending in his own personal fence for the plot?
You got it. But it wasn't really a trick, except well sort of.

Quaker Oats bought 19.5 acres of land in the Yukon, and offered kids who sent in a boxtop to their cereal a free deed for a square inch of country in the wilds of the North. The offer was promoted heavily in newspapers and during the popular Sgt Preston of the Yukon radio show. After getting into some legal trouble, Quaker Oats began just including the free inch of land deed in specially marked boxes of their cereal. Once the few million or so square inches were gone, the promotion was over. The deeds looked like the real thing, with legalese language, an official looking seal, and individually numbered lots. The promotion was a huge success.

QO set up the Klondike Big Inch Land Company to oversee it all. The thing is, Quaker Oats never registered the deeds. The Canadian government eventually repossessed the land over failure to pay taxes. But many of the deed owners took it seriously, including little Eddie, who wanted to fence off his land.

The real fun is that now, some seventy-five years later, people are still inquiring about the value of their land. Older people die and behold: look what the relatives find in their loved one's safety deposit box. A deed to land in Canada!

Canadian authorities are sick of getting calls about this land. They direct all inquiries to Quaker Oats. Quaker Oats customer service people are also not happy, as they still have customers occasionally calling to find the value of their square inch of land and then having to deal with angry folks who are told their deed is worthless.

I like this article a lot, and there are more fun reads out there about how this silly promotion captured the imagination (and commn sense) of a lot of folks. And a bonus fun fact is that deeds in good condition can sell for $40 and up on E-Bay as a collector's item. So this "worthless" deed is now worth more than a share of QO stock.
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Great questions by Ignotus at 2726 or this could have taken awhile.
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And I knew of it because my dad had another one of those "plots". He liked to joke about buying up three more around it, and setting up a tripod oil drill. He never took it as far as Eddie did, but I think he probably got his money's worth out of the amusement he got from it.
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OK, I'll try one. I have an ax, which is bilaterally symmetric with two edges (it looks like a T when I hold it up in front of me). Still, it's not symmetric when I turn it by 90 degrees!

Tell me the purpose of it!
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OK, I'm thinking of the ax being held vertically, like a z-axis. Turning it 90 degrees, like I'm holding it parallel to the ground would make it asymmetrical as regards the z-axis. Is that what you had in mind?
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OK, I'm thinking of the ax being held vertically, like a z-axis. Turning it 90 degrees, like I'm holding it parallel to the ground would make it asymmetrical as regards the z-axis. Is that what you had in mind?
Nope. I'm turning it around the axis of the handle. And the lack of symmetry is from my viewpoint; I have no doubt that some observer from the n:th dimension might still find it symmetric!
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Great questions by Ignotus at 2726 or this could have taken awhile.
Thank you, Folly! Glad to be able to contribute!
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As for the asymmetrical axe (or should I call it a hatchet?) I'll give y'all one more clue: It never was supposed to work by itself all alone. It would have taken something more..!
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Is it a toy?
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No.
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By "axe", do you mean that it is a device meant for chopping wood or other material into smaller pieces?

If so: Does it have two sharp edges?
Is it intended for use as a weapon?
Is it intended for use on wood?
Is it intended for use on some other material?
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Regarding the two axe blades (at least the two parts of the axe that form the horizontal portion of the T) is one 'blade' centered and perpendicular to the handle, as in a typical axe?

Regarding the 'something more' does it attach to the axe? must it touch the axe in order to be of use? Does it touch whatever the axe is working on?
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