Oh the Irony

[splatterpunk]

Originally Posted by Colibri

[Actual Moderating]

splatterpunk, knock it off. Oakminster's post wasn't junior moderating. Ironically enough, yours is.

Colibri
Moderator

How?

[cochrane]

Originally Posted by splatterpunk

Attribute it to what? Or to whom? Do you even know what the word means?

Yeah. This quote which you posted without attributing to anybody.

Quote:
If you do it again, you're banned. If you want to stay here, stop insulting other posters outside of the Pit.

If you're going to post someone's quote, it's good practice to note who posted it. So, who said it?

Anyway, I see a third mod confirmed that Oak wasn't junior modding, so I needn't reply anymore since your opinion has been invalidated.

[Colibri]

Originally Posted by splatterpunk

How?

You publicly accused Oakminster of a warnable rules violation, that is, junior moderating. If you felt his post was against the rules, you should have reported it and let the moderators handle it.

Oakminster's post was not junior moderating. The subject of cynyc's behavior was already on the table in this thread, and input from posters in this circumstance is OK. As he said, two moderators had already indicated that banning was a possibility, and he committed no offense by agreeing with that.

If you have some kind of beef with Oakminster, take it to the Pit. Don't use this thread as an excuse to attack him here.

[splatterpunk]

Originally Posted by Colibri

You publicly accused Oakminster of a warnable rules violation, that is, junior moderating. If you felt his post was against the rules, you should have reported it and let the moderators handle it.

I did report it. Nothing happened.

Oakminster's post was not junior moderating. The subject of cynyc's behavior was already on the table in this thread, and input from posters in this circumstance is OK. As he said, two moderators had already indicated that banning was a possibility, and he committed no offense by agreeing with that.

He didn't just "agree with" it. He threatened a user with a banning.

If you have some kind of beef with Oakminster, take it to the Pit. Don't use this thread as an excuse to attack him here.

Yeah. Whatever.

[PlainJain]

Originally Posted by Oakminster

5) The Pit is as wild as it gets here. You can't discuss mod actions, you can't call other posters cunts, can't tell them to fuck off, can't tell them to perform oral sex on you, can't wish death on them, but otherwise you can pretty much vent your frustrations.

Is this true? I thought you could tell someone to fuck off but not say "fuck you".

Although I often confused on these things.

[cochrane]

It's true.

The following expressions should not be directed at other posters.

cunt and variants, e.g., cuntlapper
motherfucker
cocksucker
fuck you and variants, e.g., go fuck yourself, fuck off and die
suck/lick my dick/cock and variants

Restricted language in the Pit

[Mangetout]

IMO, it was a mistake for TPTB to get specific about which particular words/phrases are prohibited - because (as mentioned upthread) setting out specifics just makes it easier for people to violate the spirit of the law whilst upholding the letter.

For example, if it's prohibited to say "Your father was a squirrel, and your mother smells of elderberries", someone will just come along and say "your father was a chipmunk, and your mother smells of boysenberries".

Then the rule will be adapted to "do not compare anyone's father to any arboreal rodent, or the aroma of anyone's mother to any kind of berry", but this doesn't stop people saying "your father was a meerkat, and your mother smells of apricots"...

So TPTB step in again and say "Look, just don't compare anyone's parents to small furry animals, or fruit, OK?", but without breaking any rules, someone will say "your father was a pangolin, and your mother smells of rhubarb"... and so on.

The more finely you nuance the rules, the easier it is to dance rings around them, and the harder they are to interpret and enforce - easier just to say "don't be an asshole", because in all of the above hypotheticals, it's obvious that the offender is being an asshole, and that the offender knows he's being an asshole.

[IvoryTowerDenizen]

Originally Posted by splatterpunk

One more thing that's frowned upon here, which the above post almost perfectly demonstrates (in the guise of being "helpful"): no Junior Modding.

Being helpful != Jr Modding.

Being helpful and pointing things out (like navigating the board culture) is fine.

Jr Modding is trying to act as if you have the authority to enforce rules (not just explain rules to someone who is confused). Saying "your post broke this rule and you should stop" is jr modding. Saying "a type of post that is generally considered bad form or is against the rules would be blah blah" is not. IMHO.

[Sailboat]

Perhaps it would clarify things a bit to suggest (IMHO) that one difference between "Junior Modding" and Oakminster's post is that "Junior Modding" is typically unsolicited criticism, whereas Oakminster was replying to repeated solicitations for clarification by the OP. If you keep asking "but how is it wrong?" someone is going to come along and tell you.

[PlainJain]

Originally Posted by cochrane

It's true.

Thank you, sir, ignorance fought.

[IvoryTowerDenizen]

Originally Posted by Sailboat

Perhaps it would clarify things a bit to suggest (IMHO) that one difference between "Junior Modding" and Oakminster's post is that "Junior Modding" is typically unsolicited criticism, whereas Oakminster was replying to repeated solicitations for clarification by the OP. If you keep asking "but how is it wrong?" someone is going to come along and tell you.

Good point!

[John Mace]

Originally Posted by Sailboat

Perhaps it would clarify things a bit to suggest (IMHO) that one difference between "Junior Modding" and Oakminster's post is that "Junior Modding" is typically unsolicited criticism, whereas Oakminster was replying to repeated solicitations for clarification by the OP. If you keep asking "but how is it wrong?" someone is going to come along and tell you.

Anyone can quote the rules in this forum to the OP without fear of junior modding. And anyone can quote what the mods have already said, too. Which is exactly what Oak did.

[Colibri]

Originally Posted by splatterpunk

I did report it. Nothing happened.

Then it's likely that the moderators disagreed with your assessment that it was junior modding. This gives you even less justification to go ahead and make the accusation.

He didn't just "agree with" it. He threatened a user with a banning.

No he didn't. That's a nonsensical interpretation. Oakminster doesn't have the power to ban anyone, so he can't really threaten them with it. In this case, he was making an observation based on moderator comments and standard policy in such cases.

Yeah. Whatever.

Some posters use ATMB to take a poke at others they dislike. This is not helpful.

[Loach]

When your opinion goes against what everyone thinks it sometimes means you are a visionary, a rebel ahead of your time.

Most of the time it just means you're wrong.

[aldiboronti]

Originally Posted by Mangetout

IMO, it was a mistake for TPTB to get specific about which particular words/phrases are prohibited - because (as mentioned upthread) setting out specifics just makes it easier for people to violate the spirit of the law whilst upholding the letter.

For example, if it's prohibited to say "Your father was a squirrel, and your mother smells of elderberries", someone will just come along and say "your father was a chipmunk, and your mother smells of boysenberries".

I hear ya, although I get a suggestion of "including but not confined to" hovering around that rule.

[Darth Panda]

If this is this best ironing you all can come up with, I'm going to have to start going to the dry cleaners.

[Irishman]

I'm still trying to figure out what is ironic about the letter O.

[Darth Panda]

Originally Posted by Irishman

I'm still trying to figure out what is ironic about the letter O.

Well, it is round.

[cynyc]

I haven't read any since a few days ago. Just surprised the thread is still going. It is sooo last week. ;-)

[Colibri]

Originally Posted by cynyc

I haven't read any since a few days ago. Just surprised the thread is still going. It is sooo last week. ;-)

You're right about that.

Since I think the substance of the issue in the OP has been pretty well discussed, I'm closing this.