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Old 04-21-2005, 09:04 PM
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F1 isn't worth the money I'm paying for it

So instead of getting basic cable like all sane people should, I shell out 65 bucks a month just so I can watch a full season of F1 for the first time in 4 years. But the new qualifying format is so boring, its all I can do to keep myself from smashinhg the TV. I can't believe I was so excited about this crap...waking up in the middle of the night to watch sloths climb up a tree would be more exciting. Combine that with the MOST INSIPID commentary this side of Jupiter, and its just a win-win situation. I know Speed Channel isn't exactly ESPN, but can't they get one person who shows more emotion than a zombie.

Murray walker, where are you???

Ah, the good old days of 12 lap qualifying.

At least Schumi's sucks this year - that's some consolation.
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Old 04-21-2005, 09:26 PM
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You could watch real racing you know.

Nascar!!

Door banging side by side racing!

No computer controls.

Just set it and run.

Come on over to the good old boy side!
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Old 04-21-2005, 09:37 PM
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Nascar!!

Door banging side by side racing!

No computer controls.

Just set it and run.

Come on over to the good old boy side!

I REFUSE TO BE SEDUCED BY THE DARK SIDE....








where are the Brits when you need them
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Old 04-21-2005, 09:42 PM
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Yeah - I've been pondering these last few years exactly what happened to F1, and have come to the conclusion that its present shitness is entirely due to the lack of Murray Walker. The dear old soul may not have had the foggiest what was going on at times, and occasionally delivered himself of the most astoundingly daft utterances, but by God he made it sound like he was excited, and made you believe it too. Who are the commentators you get? In the UK we get Martin Brundle and that other guy whose reason for existence - I mean "name" - eludes me. Martin's alright, he knows his stuff, but good lord he could put a pill freak to sleep at a rave.

Here am the Brit when you need him. Resist. Resiiiiisssst....
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Old 04-21-2005, 10:11 PM
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I have no clue who the commentators are...but I'd rather watch it with mute on - at least it will be less frustrating. The likes of Murray Walker are not likely to be seen again - which reminds me, have you ever chanced upon this site. It is rolling-on-the floor-laughing funny from the first quote.
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Old 04-21-2005, 10:12 PM
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Two more engine manufacturers and my Champcars would be healthy again... Tony George deserves to rot in hell.
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Old 04-21-2005, 10:16 PM
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As a fan of another much maligned-Euro sport: cycling, I can commisserate.

I'd love to shell out an extra $30 a month for OLN, but they've decided to cut back their entire cycling coverage back to an hour and a half a week, even during the Giro! What's worse, I have to listen to those boring pip-squeaks Phil and Paul talk about Lance, Lance, and more Lance. "Lance Armstrong decided not to start today's race because he doesn't like a little drizzle, but let's take 20 minutes out of the hour for some in-depth coverage of his newest saddle sore." Well screw them.

Cycling.tv, it's the wave of the future. Hopefully a lot more internet-TV will be available over the next year.
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Old 04-21-2005, 10:19 PM
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Isn't James Allen the other guy? My friend (an ardent F1 fan) agrees he's a tool. Not that I've watched a race in ages - it used to be a big thing for me, but now I've got better things to do. I can't really comment on whether it has got more boring in the last few years, because that may be a symptom of "it were better back in my day" syndrome - like kids' TV, for example. However, this is the common perception, often fuelled by a dislike of Schumacher's dominance. However, I like Schumacher (don't ask).

I think Moto GP has some good racing, but I don't have any particular affiliation to any of the riders, so it lacks that essential appeal. BTCC used to be really good in the 90s, but that has also gone shit. Nascar? Champ car? Nah. You guys just go round in circles .
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Old 04-21-2005, 10:28 PM
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There is no circle track in Nascar.

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Old 04-21-2005, 10:29 PM
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Did somebody call?!?

The problem is the new rules, they're crap. F1 is not an endurance event, saving tyres and engines etc. And the new qualifying format is worthless.

2003 was the last classic season and it had rules not too different from this years, without the current money-saving obsession, so it can work.

I agree that so far this season has been a bit undewhelming so give it a chance.

From my American friends I believe the F1 coverage over there isn't particularly special in general too put it mildly.

And btw as this is the pit.......fuck you! Denigrating my beloved sport....*mutters*
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Old 04-21-2005, 10:45 PM
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Isn't James Allen the other guy? My friend (an ardent F1 fan) agrees he's a tool.
That's the bunny. I wouldn't say he's a tool as such, he's just ... blah. Very, very blah. He doesn't even rate a milli-Murray on the old Murrayometer. And he's too damn keen. A wannabe, if you will, and he would.

Incidentally, I feel I should congratulate you on your username in a morbidly fraternal kind of way. Roadkill of the F1-admiring world unite, or something like that.
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The likes of Murray Walker are not likely to be seen again - which reminds me, have you ever chanced upon this site. It is rolling-on-the floor-laughing funny from the first quote.
Ah, classics. We've got a magazine in the UK called Private Eye which runs a recurring column called "Colemanballs" which was dedicated to just such commentorial utterings (it's named after a British athletics commentator who while not endowed with quite the same level of endearing daffiness as Murray, was at least his equal in nonsensical blather). Back in the day, Murray could be relied upon to constitute a good 50% of the submissions. Great days, great days.
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Old 04-21-2005, 11:05 PM
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That's the bunny. I wouldn't say he's a tool as such, he's just ... blah. Very, very blah. He doesn't even rate a milli-Murray on the old Murrayometer. And he's too damn keen. A wannabe, if you will, and he would.
Yes, I was a little harsh - your description is more accurate.

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Incidentally, I feel I should congratulate you on your username in a morbidly fraternal kind of way. Roadkill of the F1-admiring world unite, or something like that.
Ta - I didn't realise I'd have company when I picked this. It was more on the lines of "curiosity killed the..." than roadkill, being as we're fighting ignorance 'n' all.
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Old 04-22-2005, 01:16 AM
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The commentators on Speed are former F1, sports car, and Indy driver David Hobbs, former F1 crew chief Steve Matchett, and Bob Varsha, who once said at the start of an F1 race (I am not making this up) "The drivers have one foot on the gas, one foot on the brake, and one foot on the clutch." (I sent this in to the compilers of "The 637 Stupidest Things Ever Said" books, and they used it.)

Despite Bob's occasional slips (and I've noticed they're much rarer now than they were a few years ago), I like him, and I like Hobbs and Matchett, too. Particularly the interesting technical details Matchett brings up.

As for the racing, I think the idea of making one set of tires last the whole race is idiotic. For me, changing tires at pit stops is integral to professional racing, and its absence is just bizarre (especially since they still have these huge pit crews swarming around the car, most of them doing nothing). And the two-races-per-engine rule is just as dumb. If they wanted to slow the cars, why didn't they just restrict the aero packages? It all seems to leave too much to chance. I don't think the guy who's best at saving his tires and engine should win races. I think the fastest guy should win.

But at least Michael's not winning every race.

hawkeyejo: Where do you live that it costs $65/mo to get Speed? Ouch! On my cable system it's included in the basic package for around $30. (I think. I pay $150+ for all the movie channels, HD, a DVR, and Internet.)
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Old 04-22-2005, 01:42 AM
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Huge Alonso fan here.

Can't think of a thing that's wrong with F-1 at the moment -- other than waking up at insane hours on a Sunday.
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Old 04-22-2005, 02:20 AM
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There is no circle track in Nascar.


Holy shit! A post from Reeder in the Pit I agree with!

Start praying folks. After Jeff Gordon wins his 8th, the world shall end.
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Old 04-22-2005, 08:24 AM
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The commentators on Speed are former F1, sports car, and Indy driver David Hobbs, former F1 crew chief Steve Matchett, and Bob Varsha, who once said at the start of an F1 race (I am not making this up) "The drivers have one foot on the gas, one foot on the brake, and one foot on the clutch." (I sent this in to the compilers of "The 637 Stupidest Things Ever Said" books, and they used it.)

Despite Bob's occasional slips (and I've noticed they're much rarer now than they were a few years ago), I like him, and I like Hobbs and Matchett, too. Particularly the interesting technical details Matchett brings up.
That's fine, but they really need to make us believe they are acutually interested in the proceedings. I remember in the second qualifying for Malaysia, there were a couple of drivers who jumped up places, and these morons were droning on and on about fuel loads. That's just not cricket I tell you. (Not that it's not interesting, but a time for everything and all that).

Speaking of technical information, the pre-race shows they have are really good...I like those for sure.

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hawkeyejo: Where do you live that it costs $65/mo to get Speed? Ouch! On my cable system it's included in the basic package for around $30. (I think. I pay $150+ for all the movie channels, HD, a DVR, and Internet.)
North Carolina....a friend of mine in Denver gets it for 40 bucks
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Old 04-22-2005, 10:27 AM
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NASCAR does not go 'in circles', they just make all left turns.

In all fairness, NASCAR has a lot more passing and manuevering than F1. Maybe F1 should make tracks with nothing but left hand turns.
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Old 04-22-2005, 10:49 AM
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Maybe F1 should make tracks with nothing but left hand turns.
If you want to see that, just watch the IRL.

The thing I dislike about NASCAR is that the drafting and driving in packs gives leading a random quality that doesn't seem to have much to do with the skill of the drivers. If you're leading a train of five cars, and the second-place guy pulls down below you and everyone else follows him, number one becomes number six in about two seconds.
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Old 04-22-2005, 10:51 AM
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If you want to see that, just watch the IRL.

The thing I dislike about NASCAR is that the drafting and driving in packs gives leading a random quality that doesn't seem to have much to do with the skill of the drivers. If you're leading a train of five cars, and the second-place guy pulls down below you and everyone else follows him, number one becomes number six in about two seconds.
Whats that again?
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Old 04-22-2005, 10:57 AM
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If you want to see that, just watch the IRL.

The thing I dislike about NASCAR is that the drafting and driving in packs gives leading a random quality that doesn't seem to have much to do with the skill of the drivers. If you're leading a train of five cars, and the second-place guy pulls down below you and everyone else follows him, number one becomes number six in about two seconds.
Well, that describes plate-racing.

The problem at the superspeedways is that without restrictor plates the races get very spread out and boring. . .almost as boring as an F1 race!

So, what you said happens, but there is still a lot of room at plate tracks for driver skill, and better engineering to make itself known. I mean, for a few years there, DEInc. won just about every race at Daytona and Talladega, and finished 1-2 in a lot of those. Hendrick has caught up, but that just means that now it's either DEI or Hendrick.

The plate tracks have about as little randomness in who wins as there is, and where else can you find 3 and 4 wide racing?
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Old 04-22-2005, 10:59 AM
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Of course Hobbs and Matchett are enthusiastic, but they're also pros. Wouldn't you rather hear explanations of driving technique and car design than Derek Daly's endless "Lookadis! Lookadis!" crap? Let's be thankful he's gone. I do miss Sam Posey's commentary but he might be superfluous alongside Hobbs and Matchett, as Varsha is.
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Old 04-22-2005, 11:10 AM
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Three commentators are a waste anyway. As I see it, there need to be only two - one a colour commentator and one an expert. The colour guy is there to make things sound interesting, and the expert is there to make sense of everything. The Speed guys do well on one front, and miserable on the other. And the current state of F1 doesn't help at all. I still say we should go back to the 12 lap qualifying system and allow tyre changes during the race.
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Old 04-22-2005, 11:50 AM
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Schumi sucks, you say? He's not winning every race, I hear?

Perhaps a reason to tune into F1 again....
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Old 04-22-2005, 01:09 PM
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Holy shit! A post from Reeder in the Pit I agree with!

Start praying folks. After Jeff Gordon wins his 8th, the world shall end.
No kidding.

I bet Reeder pulls for Kurt Busch.

NA$CAR, first taking over this thread, then the world.
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Old 04-22-2005, 01:34 PM
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The new rules changes have pretty much made me cancel any plans I had to trek out to Montreal and Indy this year. Whats the point of all that travel for what now is basicly a 2 day show?

Screw it. I'll stay home and watch the coverage on TV with the Mute button pushed. I can't stand the constant chatter about fuel load and tire pressure.
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Old 04-22-2005, 05:06 PM
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Three commentators are a waste anyway. As I see it, there need to be only two - one a colour commentator and one an expert. The colour guy is there to make things sound interesting, and the expert is there to make sense of everything.
Which is exactly why the Murray Walker-Martin Brundle partnership used to work so well - a perfect example of what you describe. Walker and James Hunt were excellent, too, back in the day.
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Old 04-22-2005, 05:11 PM
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No kidding.

I bet Reeder pulls for Kurt Busch.

NA$CAR, first taking over this thread, then the world.
Actually I'm a Wallace fan.
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Old 04-24-2005, 12:35 PM
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To those of you complaining about the current state of F1, might I suggest, if you haven't already, you watch today's Imola GP which is being shown on tape delay by CBS at 1:00 PM ET.

Won't give away the results -- but it was certainly a classic.
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Old 04-24-2005, 12:43 PM
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Won't give away the results -- but it was certainly a classic.
ITV cut to adverts three laps from the end. Three! Wankers.
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Old 04-24-2005, 03:32 PM
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ITV cut to adverts three laps from the end. Three! Wankers.
Wow! That's just pathetic. Good thing Fox LA didn't try something similar 'cuase I'm afraid my TV screen would have suffered the consequences of my ire.

That was some nail-biter. Amazing drive by Shummi and awesome display of matury and racecraft by the young master with the tired engine, Alonso.
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