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Old 05-06-2002, 11:08 AM
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The Running Thread

We have some runners on the board, and I thought it might be fun to start a common thread.

We can talk about training, support each other through difficulties, compare times and distances, post race results for attaboys, and best of all, maybe even hook up with other dopers for races.

I think one of the best things we might be able to do is help out new runners, or people interested in running get started.

It's a great thing to do for your fitness, and self-esteem. You feel different when you run, and the runenr's high sticks with you all the time. When you feel confident and strong, and your body is brimming with endorphins it bleeds over and benefits the rest of your life.

Running helped me quit smoking. During times of great sadness or pain or stress, I've always been able to put on the shoes and go. There's kind of a zenlike state to long distance running, and lots of times your mind will find its way around difficult problems.

Most of the time though, the problems are still there, but you feel better about them, or at least better about yourself.

It's a lot easier to control your weight if you're a runner. As a society we seem to focus on diet as the means to weight loss. When you run for 20 minutes or longer you step up your metabolism and your body burns calories at a faster rate. It keeps doing this for up to four hours after you stop!

I have a large body, and while training for my marathon last year I had to eat like a horse just to maintain my weight!


What do you think?
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Old 05-06-2002, 12:02 PM
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Scylla, very cool!

I ran as a kid - my father was avid; he started a very successful running club on one of the Army bases where we were stationed. Did a bunch of 5Ks, 10Ks and one 20K. Loved the high and the camraderie. I continued into high school by running varsity cross-country all four years - had a blast!

In early adulthood I got lazy and put on the pounds. I got the running bug back a few years ago thanks to my best friend and neighbor who is an avid marathon runner. Since we've known each other, I always come out to her races and hold her stuff, cheer her on, etc. Being around all those healthy people enjoying what I once loved made me start dreaming about running again. So here I am, a few pounds lighter and I love running again! Sadly, I hurt myself a few weeks back - but this weekend I get to start again... Perfect timing because the treadmill is coming on Saturday! Even if it snows - I'm not joking, we've had such a crappy spring, it's possible - I can run!

I'm doing the Life Time Fitness 10K in Minneapolis on May 24... But I will be training for the biggie of my adulthood - a half-marathon in Duluth in June.

Runners rock! Thanks again for starting this thread, Scylla!
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Old 05-06-2002, 12:43 PM
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I like this idea.

I've been running for about 4 years. I started because a friend of mine said he ran 5K's on the weekend. I knew he was a big time partier & drinker, prone to lying on the couch all weekend, so I couldn't believe he ran. I opened my big fat yapper and called him on it.

So he challenged me to show up at a 5K and run it. I did, and at the time was able to run about 3/4 of a mile at a time, so there was much walking interspersed with the running.

After finishing that race, I decided I needed to then run a 5K in which I ran the whole way.

Fast forward 4 years later. Since January of 2001, I've completed 3 marathons. Just two weekends ago I ran 19 miles. This weekend I'm sick with a chest cold, so I was only able to run a very ugly 5. When I can't run, I miss it like hell.

I run to keep off the 28 pounds I lost. I run to stay in shape. I run because there are some really cool people out there to run with. I don't run because I'm fast.

My next race, with any luck, will be the Flo-Jo Memorial Half Marathon in Orange County, CA. I will be attempting to run under 2 hours for the first time.

Anyone coming out to San Diego in June for the Rock & Roll Marathon?
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Old 05-06-2002, 02:01 PM
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Just how important do you feel stretching is before you run? I do not stretch at all but I start slow and work up to my normal pace. Sometimes I find it difficult to get into a rhythm and am very cranky at the beginning of a run (watch out little dogs!). I run 4-5 miles about 4 days a week. I'd like to try a half-marathon this summer.
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Old 05-06-2002, 02:13 PM
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GKW, I've read that it's best to do the majority of your stretching AFTER you run. When you stretch cold muscles, you can injure yourself easier, I guess.

I believe I've read that doing a slower warm up is a good way to warm up the muscles. I think you're doing okay, as long as you remember to stretch afterwards.

I agree about the first couple of miles. It takes a while to get into the groove.
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Old 05-06-2002, 02:26 PM
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OK. I needed a sign to start running again and I'll let this thread be that sign.

When I first started running it was hell but I stuck with it. I finally ran my first 5K this past December. It's been six weeks since I've last ran and I miss it.

I've been super busy with work and haven't had time to run.
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Old 05-06-2002, 02:38 PM
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I started running twice, in the past couple of years. First, I started running early last September: and we all remember what happened THEN. I started running again about a month ago, and I came down with a Mystery Illness which is still plaguing me . . .

To quote Mr. Coolidge, "I do not choose to run."
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Old 05-06-2002, 02:56 PM
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Scout- I'm guilty of not stretching at the end of a run either but I do walk around for a while to cool down. I suppose I should start.

Say, do you spit when you run? I usually chew gum so my mouth doesn't get all gooky with saliva.

Also I've got a question about running in traffic which I usually avoid. I'm worried that since my lungs are working harder, I'm just breathing in more exhaust and negating any health factor of the run. Opinions?

Eve maybe you should try skipping! I'd love to try double dutch.
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Old 05-06-2002, 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by scout1222
Fast forward 4 years later.
Thanks, now I've got Alanis running through my head. (Maybe that's how she stays fit. )

I'm kinda at the jogging-around-the-neighborhood level, myself. I prefer bicycling, but you can get more exercise quicker by running, so I've been doing that this winter and early spring. I've got no desire to do a marathon; I ran cross-country back in high school, and that was enough of that. I simply want to maintain a certain basic level of fitness.
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Old 05-06-2002, 04:25 PM
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I love this message board. Whenever I think of something I'd like to hear people's opinion on, I think of starting a new thread, and I tell myself, just wait. Be patient and the Millions will come through. And y'all always do.

So, I just started running last month. A couple of my friends and I decided we'd run the Bay to Breakers as a prelude to our annual Mt. Shasta climb, and I thought it'd be prudent to get in shape just a little before the big event. I've been an intermittent runner over the years, it's so hard to get myself motivated to do it, but I'm so much happier when I do.

Anyway, I was wondering how often it's optimal to run? Right now I've got myself running a little over 2 miles on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, but I miss it on the days I don't run. I seem to recall, in the murky depths, hearing that it's not healthy to work out too much more than a couple days in a row? My dad's a swimmer, and he says his muscles get over-worked if he goes more often than every other day (I know 2 miles is a wussy run, and I shouldn't be worried about overdoing it at that rate, but I plan to increase my mileage once I get my legs under me).

Also, what's a good alternative workout to running on the off-days for someone who has no resources and no access to any working out equipment of any kind? Actually, I do have a pull-up bar, but I can only do about 15 of those in one serving, and it doesn't feel like that counts. Ditto for pushups. My objective is essentially to stay in shape and healthy. I'd like to put on a little muscle, sure, but that'd be a bonus. And running isn't really the kind of thing to help with that. About eating, though, when should I eat? Some time before the run? Immediately after? I'm a total novice at this.

So, any advice from the veteran runners? Thanks in advance.
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Old 05-06-2002, 05:49 PM
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I tried it once, but ever since then I haven't been able to understand jogging. I look at the faces
of joggers when they jog & they look kinda weird--stressed out & sort of strained. I think about
their body organs boucing up & down as they jog. One lady did take the time to explain it to me
that it got her breathing in a certain fashion so that later she got some sort of mental high. I
thought I'd rather just practice breathing sitting in a chair :-)

Jogging Hazards: Rocks, bumpy roads, cars, ferocious canines, road rage.
Jogging benefits: better breathing & higher metabolism.
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Old 05-06-2002, 05:52 PM
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So many questions! Agh! Where to begin?

Well, I'll tell you that I run 5 days a week. Sometimes I run slow, sometimes I run hard. If you miss running on your day off, try going for a run. Maybe you take it easy, maybe you run less, whatever. See how you feel after that. If you're injured at all, it may not work for you. But alternating easy & hard runs is a good way to get consistent exercise in.

Cross training...harrumph. I don't do enough of it. If your means are limited: go for a walk, maybe weight training. An exercise video? You can probably check one out from the library & try it out before you spend money on it.

Eating - if I run in the AM during the week, I don't eat beforehand. On the weekend, when I'm running long (over an hour), I eat so that I have fuel in me. I usually run during the week at around 6pm. I usually have a snack at around 3-4 so that I'm not starving before the run. But the best rule of thumb is to try different methods and see what works. Some people have no trouble running after eating, others get an upset stomach.

If you're running long sessions, it's a good idea to refuel within the hour after you run. So if you go out for a 5 miler, you may consider having a snack afterwards.

YMMV.
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Old 05-06-2002, 06:07 PM
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I've been running for maybe 10 years now. I started just running around the neighborhood, then doing 10Ks. I did two marathons and injured myself training for the third. Like many people in that situation, I decided to become a triathlete and biked and swam while healing. My first Triathlon is in two weeks in fact.

In response to WhiteLightning regarding what is the optimal amount of running; it's very dependent on what your goals are and why you are running. If you're training for some event, or a goal time, you can direct your efforts in that direction and structure your training appropriately. If you're doing it to maintain your fitness it's a different approach. Recovery time is always important, and you have to build that into your schedule. It's also very important that you never increase you training by more than 10% a week. Increases more than that leave you very vulnerable to injury (I know).

But most important -- it's about enjoying it.
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Old 05-06-2002, 06:11 PM
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I ran when I was inthe Navy - no choice, as we had those semi-annual PT tests. Once I got out, I quit, even tho I felt good when I kept up with it.

We just got a family membership at the Y - they open at 5AM and the three of us are there by about 5:20, all on recumbent bikes pedaling away. After one week, I'm working at a harder level - yay me!

At this stage of my life, this suits me better than running the streets. Plus this is steamy, hot, buggy Florida - I'll take the air conditioned comfort of indoor cardio workouts. I may work up to running on the treadmill, but for now, a 3.5 MPH walk is my best so far. I'm in no hurry - I'll work up to it. And some day, I may actually enter a race. Or not. We shall see...
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Old 05-06-2002, 07:02 PM
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If you're just starting a running program the big thing to watch out for is overtraining. Your cardiovascular system will improve faster than your leg muscles. You'll feel good, but you may hurt yourself. The 10% a week increase is a good limit.

One of my favorite runs, and it's good for all levels of training, is the fartlek. Yes, the fartlek.

A fartlek is simply this pattern: 5,4,3,2,1,1,2,3,4,5.

It's a fantastic one hour workout that anybody can do. You don't have to be a runner, you can be like FairychatMom and do it on bicycle or any cardio device.

The way I do it is I take a nice easy jog and warm up for ten minutes. Then I do the fartlek. I run hard for five minutes, trying to wind myself. Then I jog easy for two minutes. Then I push it for four minutes, and jog for two, etc. all the way through the system. The goal is to do the second half better than the first.

The reason I say anybody can do it is because it's just interval training. You might start off with a warmup, jog the fartlek intervals and walk the 2 minute rests. Or, if you're a walker, you might just walk fast the intervals, and slow the rests.

You can do it at any level of fitness.

The nice thing is, even if you're just getting started, you can easily do the whole thing. And, I've found that fartleks get you into shape and help you increase speed and endurance like nothing else.

If you're running every other day, through a fartlek into the mix once or twice a week.


My best advice is don't worry about distance ran, worry about time spent running.
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Old 05-06-2002, 08:26 PM
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Great thread. I've got a problem though. Hope someone can help. About 6 years and ten pounds ago, I used to run four miles in about 42 minutes--definitely not going to get pulled over for speeding, but nice steady exercise.

I stopped running and started biking for a while and treadmill running (definitely NOT the same as road running).

I've been trying to get back into running outside again, but I just can't make the three miles (my goal based on time) without stopping after about a mile and a half. I 've been trying to build up to it, but I've hit a wall for distance. Any help?
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Old 05-06-2002, 08:59 PM
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turner:

The fartlek is specifically to help you both increase your speed and endurance. Do one once or twice a week at a pace you can manage, even if you're walking the rest periods.

I'd hit a speed wall at about five miles in 45 minutes. Even though I could run ten miles at that pace I couldn't get the five mile time down.

I made every third run a fartlek and broke 40 minutes in a month.

I still try to do one out of four as a fartlek. You can really scale them to your level, and they'll improve your abilities faster than anything else. The great thing is it's not a killer timewise, and you feel good after them.

Fartlek. Trust me.
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Old 05-07-2002, 01:23 AM
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I'm an on-again-off-again runner. I definitely feel better when I run.

The commander gives us and extra half hour at lunch if we are working out. Getting away from my desk is great incentive for me. I run for 30 minutes on a treadmill and also do a little nautilus training.

I am so lazy that I don't think I'm in any danger of overtraining. I base my workout on heart rate. My goal is to get my heart rate up to 160 beats per minute and keep it there for 30 minutes. I'm running 11 minute miles, which is pretty slow. Theoretically, as I get in shape I'll have to run a faster pace to get the same heart rate.

If it doesn't work that way in practice I'll consider subjecting myself to Scylla's fartleks.
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Old 05-07-2002, 02:50 AM
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Who would fartleks bear/To grunt and sweat under a weary workout...

No, sorry. That wasn't even worth it.
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Old 05-07-2002, 09:48 AM
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GKW, my best friend the marathon runner NEVER stretches. The fitness experts tell her that she may not be able to get away with that forever... She's 30. We're starting yoga class this week, so maybe that will inspire her.

Everything I've read says to stretch before, during and after... The more stretching, the better. I even stretch in the shower!
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Old 05-07-2002, 10:49 AM
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Scylla I agree completely with your sentiments about interval training. I've been doing the Aerobic Solutions part of the Body for Life workout for about 3 weeks now. For me it's a walk/jog thing because I've got some extra tonnage but the last time I did the BFL training I was able to work up to running/jogging the entire 20-30 minutes in about 4 weeks. After that I was steadily increasing time and distance. It's much easier to increase speed and distance when you're doing interval training.

I can't even imagine a marathon though I once upon a time worked up to 10K. Someday maybe......

Running always makes me feel better for all of the reasons stated in the OP.

Anyone have any advice on shoes? I have wide feet and have a very hard time finding running shoes in anything but B width which is too narrow. I'm tempted to buy men's shoes which are made wider. Thoughts anyone?

Right now I'm running in my walking shoes because I'm walking as much as running but I really need to upgrade soon.
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Old 05-07-2002, 11:12 AM
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velvetjones: Try Saucony, they're made on a wider lathe(?) than most, so their normal shoes are only a bit narrower than most other's 'wide' widths. They're the only sneaker-type shoe I can wear in a 'normal' width. (My feet swim in the wide width!) Most of 'em that I've seen also have removable inserts, which is good if you wear othopedics like me.

As for running... I'm afraid that's out for me these days: my knees are pretty much shot. (Not from running though.) That, and I can't find a running bra that works well enough in my size. (Going 'boingy boingy' is NOT comfortable.) I do walking and hiking instead now, along with dance and weightlifting. Maybe once my knees get their act back together...

Although, any of the female runners here have good leads on running bras that work well for us... er... well-endowed people? The ones that I've found that hold me tight enough to keep from bouncing around are too tight to be comfortable: breathing is good! That, and the whole uni-boob thing extends into my armpits... And the ones that don't cause uni-boob don't hold the bouncing around down enough to be comfortable for running.

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Old 05-07-2002, 11:26 AM
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Nightsonggirlfriend, as a former 38DD (now a 36D), I am all over the running bra thang!

Try Title 9's awesome brafinder at their website: http://www.title9sports.com

I use the Frog Bra. It frikkin' rocks. No movement whatsoever.
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Old 05-07-2002, 12:12 PM
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Canthearya beat me to it on the Frog Bra.

I don't wear it, but have heard only positive things about it.

I would add, though, that you may also want to look at something like Aquaphor or Body Glide to prevent chafing.

Chafed areas around the jogbra are no fun. Trust me.
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Old 05-07-2002, 12:24 PM
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velvetjones I love saucony's. I wear a men's 8 and they last me forever. Check'em out.

Nightsong I can relate to the sports bras being too tight to breathe. I gave up on them and just wear a regular bra. After about a mile and a half, the bouncing doesn't bug me anymore.

turner You might try cutting back to doing just one mile as fast as you can for a week. Then try to go for three miles. When I first started running, I would just do a mile trying to run all out. Then when I started running longer distances, there wasn't a problem.

White Lightening I heard that running more than 28 miles a week was just doing damage to your joints and that you'd be running to get something else out of it than fitness. Hmm... a runner addicted to the Bard? To run or not to run. That is the question. Whether 'tis nobler to dodge the cars and buses of road raged drivers or escape to the woodland path and fight off deer flies...

Does anyone run with pain? And do you consider yourself a runner or jogger? I run through side-aches and hip aches but stop with knee pain. I call myself a runner but I suppose I am really a jogger.
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Old 05-07-2002, 12:33 PM
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I don't like to make a distinction between running and jogging because it seems to me that people look down on "joggers."

It's a tough sport, period. We run, therefore we are runners.

Three years ago I tried to run through shin splints but after a couple of months I couldn't take it. I've lost a few pounds since then and haven't had a problem this time up to bat...
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Old 05-07-2002, 12:52 PM
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Thanks everyone for the word on Saucony. I had a pair back in college (so very many years ago) I remember how much I liked them.

What is the difference between running and jogging besides speed?
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Old 05-07-2002, 03:03 PM
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I don't like to make a distinction between running & jogging based on speed. Here's why:

When I run a marathon, I'm running about a 10 minute mile. Lots of people consider that pace to be jogging.

But in order to run a marathon, I've spent six months training, running 30-40 miles a week, 5-6 days a week. I get up at the crack of dawn to run my long runs, which extend to over 3 hours.

Screw it. I'm a runner.

My own mind distinguishes jogging from running on how serious you are about it. I'm serious. I'm a runner. Somebody who just goes out occasionally for the heck of it, well, they might be considered a jogger, even if they are faster than me.

But when someone dedicates the time and energy to something that I have, I have a hard time using a word that is looked down upon.

So I'd say if you're into it enough to post to a running thread - you're a runner!
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Old 05-07-2002, 03:57 PM
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Yeah! What scout1222 said!
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Old 05-08-2002, 09:57 PM
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*takes a peek at the reccomended bras*

Frog bra... Odd, I don't see it coming up in my cup size... but the other ones there look good. And hey, most of them aren't the uniboob type! That alone is a good thing.

*winces a bit at GKW* I'm glad that it works for you, but for me... owwwie. Plus that friction bit from things moving one way, and the fabric of my top moving another...

Ooooh. Since this is a running thread, I can share this tale: My Dad, Mom, and some assorted running friends are particpating in a long-distance relay race. (For the life of me, I can't remember which one, but it's one of the ones in the Pacific Northwest.) In the middle of nowhere, or just about, one of the guys on the team starts having a real bad problem with nipple chafing. So, he and Dad walk into this general store in this itty-bitty rural community, talking away about 'chafing' and 'lubricant' and 'Vaseline', and which brand would be better to use (generic vs. brand name)... needless to say, the looks the clerk was giving them was priceless.

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Old 05-10-2002, 03:00 PM
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Here's a diet question. I'm getting back into running after a 3 year hiatus. I ran in high school and some post-high school. I'm not what you would call an impressive runner, but I'd like to think I can hold my own.

Anyway, I'm curious as to what you all think is a good long term strategy for eating, if I plan to be running a lot. I'm running a few times a week now, around 4 miles at a 9 minute mile pace. My goal is to be running 10 miles by the end of August. I know I've got some biker friends (that's street bikes, not Harleys) who are very big on lots of protein. Is that a good plan? Right now I'm just trying to be balanced, with a minimum of complex carbohydrates. Educate me, oh Dopers!
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Old 05-10-2002, 03:20 PM
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Nightsong, was it Hood to Coast?

Eonwe, there are many different schools of thought. I would recommend you check out Runners World online. Specifically they use Liz Applegate as their nutritionist. She's always doing articles on how much of what you need.

I would say that you do need carbs to fuel you. You also need more protein than a non-runner. But chances are you're already eating enough protein to meet that recommendation.

All right, I'll quit now.
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Old 05-10-2002, 03:45 PM
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I started running a couple years ago when the doctor asked me what kind of excerise I got and my answer was, "Uhh, none." So anyway, I did a bunch of treadmill running, building up to about 3 miles at around 5.5 mph.

I lost some steam and went on hiatus but now I'm back. I've been very regular for the last three months and I'm up to 4 miles at a little over 6 mph or so (and down 20 lbs, woo!).

Here's my question... For me. running still seems like a chore. I get out there and really, I don't enjoy it. It's hard damn work. Now, the following endorphin rush is great, but the actual going out and doing isn't as much fun.

Is this normal? Do you all go out and feel great while you're running or is it always hard? What can I expect as I keep up the program?

(Somehow I feel like if I get to a point where I actually fee good while I'm running, I will be more ready to self-identify as a "runner.")
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Old 05-10-2002, 04:49 PM
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emulsified, does it feel any different when you slow down?

I just wonder if maybe you're running too hard. Granted, there are going to be some days when it's going to suck. And those sometimes happen when you're not even trying to push it. But since I focus on longer distances, I focus on a pace that's comfortable for the long haul. Now, when I'm trying to do a speed session, or something like that, I'll go faster. And yep, it hurts.

But as a general rule, it doesn't suck. So maybe you need to slow down a bit and see if that's better?
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Old 05-10-2002, 06:03 PM
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I love it. I was just talking to my dad the other day (I mentioned that he was a swimmer), and he always has told me that he can't stand running. I, on the other hand, can't get enough. I enjoy the whole experience. emulsified, maybe you should try some other exercise that you'd enjoy more?

On the other hand, treadmill running doesn't seem to me like it'd be much fun. Try getting out of the house and running around the streets and see if that appeals to you more.

Thanks for all the replies and advice, everyone. Much appreciated.
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Old 05-10-2002, 06:24 PM
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Hey, I didn't even notice the treadmill part.

I love to run. I can run for a couple of hours and not get bored.

But get my butt on a treadmill...I'm ready to poke myself with a sharp stick before even 15 minutes are up. Give me the open road any day.

What's everyone's best run ever?

Mine was in Oregon, on one of my legs of Hood to Coast in 2000. My second leg of the run was at about 4 a.m. It was on some real dark, deserted country highway. It was slightly uphill, dark as pitch, slightly drizzling, and quiet like you wouldn't believe. Being a city gal, not like any run I'd ever done before. The leg was approximately 5 miles long, and it was the best run I ever had. The coolness, the fresh air, the moisture, PERFECT.

Second to that is probably when we were in DC last year and got to run by all the monuments - what great scenery!
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Old 05-10-2002, 06:31 PM
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emulsified, when I run - even out on the open road - I kinda go through stages. I feel okay for about 10 minutes, great for 10 minutes, then frikkin' shitty for 5 minutes. I run S L O W L Y so I don't think that's the problem. I think I'm out of shape.

But tomorrow! Buahahahaha! I finally get my very own treadmill! I can watch MTV's Real World all I want! I can watch porn while I run! (Just kidding on the porn part.)

scoutybaby, my favorite run will always be the Cherry Blossom 10 Miler in Washington, D.C. I did it when I was like, 10 years old, and I'll never forget it. Perfect running weather and one of the most beautiful cities to run it in... Loved every minute of it. Someday I'll do it again.
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Old 05-10-2002, 07:12 PM
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minor hijack Canthearya - since you're posting today, you obviously didn't die of blood poisoning or anything bad - did you get that bruise checked out? end minor hijack
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Old 05-10-2002, 07:15 PM
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I think maybe I came off as too negative. I really actually do enjoy the whole running thing in general... I think the stage thing that Canthearya referred to is what I go through.

I just anticipate a time when the whole thing feels good instead of just parts.

I pretty much exclusively run outside now... When you live this close to Lincoln Park, it would be a sin not to.

So do y'all listen to music while you run? Or is that a sacrilege?
Does anyone else's nose run like a bugger when it's at all cold out?
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Old 05-10-2002, 11:42 PM
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My nose runs. And my ears hurt like mad. I need to buy myself a headband for that. I don't listen to music, because it tends to make me lose my focus. My rhythm gets screwed up pretty easily. Also it makes me much more conscious of time passing, because I pay attention to how long each song takes, for instance. When I run without music the time just passes like magic. I have a small stage where it's tough, about half a mile after I start my sides start aching. But it goes away very quickly.
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Old 05-14-2002, 07:40 AM
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Hey wring, the hematoma is okay... It's supposed to be warm - it's healing. The doctor said if it doesn't get smaller within two weeks, go back.

I got my treadmill yesterday and I love it! Did some cross-training for the first time in three weeks and tried running to see if it bugged my hematoma - it was fine so I will run today! Woo hoo!
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Old 05-14-2002, 10:08 AM
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Yep, my nose runs like a faucet. And it doesn't really matter what the temperature is.

I hate to say that I've become an expert at the "farmer blow". How girly am I?
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Old 05-14-2002, 11:51 AM
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scout1222: It may very well have been... if you participated in that back in the er... late 80's, and saw this big blue monster of a rusted out blue van... that was 'em. (The van was perfect for things like that: we could fit a queen sized air mattress in the back so people could nap inbetween legs. Never mind people tended to point and laugh at the van.)
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Old 05-14-2002, 01:49 PM
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Hey emulsified I feel exactly like you do (I think). Most days I have to kick myself hard to get out the door. (like this week I haven't kicked myself hard enough because I've missed yesterday and today) Feel like shit for part of the run but always end up loving it in the end. Kind of a love/hate thing. I too anticipate the time when this doesn't feel horrible. Soon, right?

nightsong LOL the story about your dad was priceless.
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Old 05-14-2002, 03:18 PM
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I agree with scout that outdoor running is a better experience than treadmill. I enjoy running most in cool weather with a light rain. I also like cross country skiing in the winter. Two sports that require minimal coordination!
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Old 05-16-2002, 10:51 PM
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I don't spend much time in MPSIMS, so I just barely caught this thread.

I'm coming down after a marathon (Country Music, 4:34, a great experience), and have decided to give the long runs a rest for awhile - maybe work on speed. I just went out today and tried Scylla's fartlek routine, and it felt good. I've been used to training for long distances, and those 1-2 minute sprints made me feel some new muscles. My marathon pace is just under 10 min/mile (out to 20) and I was suprised that I was fairly comfortable at an 8 min pace for the 4 minute segments - even after covering 4 miles. Before this, about the only interval training I have done have been Yasso's 400's.

I have a Memorial Day 10km coming up - a popular local run.
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Old 05-16-2002, 11:46 PM
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I run 5-6 miles every other day and work out with weights the other days. This works for me. I used to be a loner runner, but now I have a friend who runs and works out with me. Many a day I would have blown it off if she hadn't been in front of my house at 6am. I've never been a morning person, but I do hate running in the heat. Mornings are wonderful.

I ran a marathon (Mission Bay in San Diego) some years ago and broke four hours, which was my goal. My husband and I do lots of 10K runs and my ten year old daughter just completed her first 5K last weekend! We also do at least two half-marathons a year. The Tucson Half (and Full) Marathon is usually the first week of December and it's a great race. I mentioned in another thread that it would be fun to have a runner/doper group meet and do that one this year.
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Old 05-18-2002, 03:03 AM
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I am curious about how often other countries have races, how long the races are, what the average turnout for a race is and how well organised the races are

Here in South Africa I believe we are very lucky because there is a large running culture. In the Pretoria/Johannesburg region there will normally be a 10 and 21km race in Pretoria on a Saturday morning and the same in Johannesburg on the Sunday morning and because the distance between the cities is only about 60km there are quite a few runners who will do a race on both the Saturday and Sunday. During the leadup to the Comrades Marathon (87km) ther will often be a marathon every weekend. The attendance for the races will range from about 500 for the smaller races, around 4000 for a popular race, to the Comrades Marathon which had over 11000 finishers in 2001. The races are normally well organised with water and coke every 3km and distance markers every km.

This morning in Pretoria we had a 10km, a 25km and a 50km. I have just come back from the 25km which I quite enjoyed and there were a lot of runers doing the 50km.
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Old 05-19-2002, 10:19 AM
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Zerc,
Here in the Southern US, I live in a medium size city. I would not say there's a "running culture" here, but we do have a pretty good track club, that puts on events (on average) about once a month. Other groups put on races, aslo, so I'd say that within driving distance, you could just about find a race any weekend (except in the hot summer months). 10km and 5km races are the most popular, often held at the same place/day so you could take your choice - or do both. 15km and some 8km are also around. Half marathons and marathons are less frequent.

Around here, a large turnout would be about 1000. Larger cities, of course, can draw 10 times that much. Many of the local club events I've run have only 60-80 hardcores.
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Old 05-19-2002, 02:05 PM
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To everyone who sometimes find running just plain feels bad,get a partner. Besides making you get out when you might not feel like it,just running with a friend can make even a horrid run much easier to deal with. Local running clubs are a great place to find partners. http://www.rrca.org


And my nose sometimes runs faster than I do.
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