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11-22-2002, 02:22 PM
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Have we really descending into a society of such wimpyness?
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http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=145579 Before we start, I know that the people advocating the deadbeat's rights are 'right'. The safe course of action is to eat the money the deadbeat owes and to allow said deadbeat to live for 30+ more days rent free and to shell out the money to do the proper procedure. I also fully acknowledge that the roommates screwed up and should have had a lease document signed by the deadbeat before she moved in and that they should have required first and last month's rent. I all that being said.... WTF!!! A person moves in on an informal basis and doesn't pay the rent and then says that she gets to continue living there rent free for x weeks until the other roommates jump through all these hoops and $$ to get her expelled?! If the roommates threw her deadbeat ass out the door, they could then end up owing the deadbeat money? Do these laws protecting people really help?? I'm sure in specific cases, they do but in general wouldn't all they do is add a whole lot of expense and hassle to an arrangement? I'm thinking that these laws end up costing most everyone a whole bunch of $$$. Consider that if you want to move in with the OP in the linked thread. In the past you agreed to pay your share and your in! Now, you must cough up first and last months rent, which will be higher because they will have the added expense of getting a lawyer sign off on the lease document, and damage deposit plus probably other items. Whole lot more hassle to everyone. Wouldn't it be better to just let people not have to act like such wimps when confronted by deadbeats? If you overstep your bounds you could still be taken to court but these automatic 'rights' of deadbeats making YOU guilty because you object to paying for a deadbeat for another several weeks is not helpful. All it does is make things more expensive for everyone because roommates/landlords now must protect themselves. Maybe this is a Debate instead of the Pit. Feel free to move if desired. 
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#2
11-22-2002, 02:53 PM
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Ahhhh, nevermind. I guess you all are a bunch of slacked jawed pussy wimps anyway...
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11-22-2002, 03:04 PM
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I don't know about wimpyness, but we have definitely descending into a society of poor syntax!
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11-22-2002, 03:15 PM
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Not link, work. Work!
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11-22-2002, 03:24 PM
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Crap. The link doesn't work. Oh, forget about it.
[/quote] I don't know about wimpyness, but we have definitely descending into a society of poor syntax! [quote] Now I know that javaman is a true wimp of wimps! He speaks like one.
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11-22-2002, 03:25 PM
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Crap. I can't even get quotes right. I'll slink back into my swamp now...
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11-22-2002, 03:51 PM
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The freeloader would be out of my house by any method or object at my disposal, in less time then it took to read this. There is no way an oral agreement could hold water in that situation.
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11-22-2002, 04:12 PM
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All my life it has seemed to me that the most basic principle of our civilization, indeed the very definition of civilization, is that you must allow anyone who wants to, to knock you down and stomp all over you and ream your ass with a jackhammer if they wish.
This applies to everything from government (duh), to crooked corporations, to dangerous drivers, playground bullies, etc. etc. etc. I'm glad I live in NH now, at least here I am allowed to stop anyone who is trying to kill or severly injure me*. NH is not a very civilized state  * unless they are a government employee  Or they are doing it from a motor vehicle
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11-22-2002, 04:19 PM
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What if they are a government employee trying to kill you from a motor vehicle? Do the two exemptions cancel?
 World Eater, I think the consensus was that the oral agreement plus past partial payments would make the oral agreement have validity. I imagine these laws were enacted from the plight of a few tenents that were abused by landlords. I was just complaining that these laws make renting more expensive for anyone outweighing the benefits that a few abused might receive. It also sets up others for abuse, like the OP in the original thread.
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11-22-2002, 04:41 PM
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Yep andy, I agree.
Not to offend the OP of the other thread, but the people that would handle these situations best, usually never get in them in the first place. Of course not everything is in your control in life.
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11-22-2002, 04:49 PM
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11-22-2002, 04:59 PM
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11-22-2002, 05:11 PM
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11-22-2002, 05:12 PM
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Indecision is a symptom of wimpy-ness, you know.
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11-22-2002, 06:44 PM
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Consensus, my ass. Did you read the link to Florida law in the other thread, which was my response to a series of unsupported yammerings which claimed that oral agreements are unenforceable? Oral leases of less than one year are valid. End of story. Past partial payments have nothing to do with that, other than maybe providing evidence that the agreement did, in fact, exist. That said, I don't disagee with your philosophical statement.
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11-22-2002, 07:30 PM
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Your insult was totally out of left field and had nothing to do with what I said. Even in the Pit, I think that's out of line.
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11-22-2002, 11:46 PM
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11-23-2002, 10:18 AM
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11-25-2002, 09:00 AM
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11-25-2002, 01:01 PM
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11-25-2002, 01:44 PM
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Well, I was also only joking
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11-25-2002, 02:33 PM
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11-25-2002, 04:24 PM
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 I got one through the armor on Libertarian. So I AM a Jedi
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11-25-2002, 06:56 PM
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drachillix: When 8600 posts you've made, be as smart you will not.
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11-26-2002, 03:03 PM
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Hey..here's what you do to a room mate who doesn't pay their bills (or you just want to get rid of):
- Loudly wake them up real early or real late at night and ask them for your money. - Whenever they bring a guest over, ask them for your money. - When they are in the bathroom "tap..tap..tap...I need to talk to you about that money" - When anyone calls for them, don't give them the message. As a matter of fact, answer "she/he's not here" even if they are right next to you. If they use the phone say "I need to make an important call" and then every 10 seconds pick up the other extension and start dialing numbers. Respond "oh I thought you were off". - Other than to ask for your money or abuse them, never speak to your roommate, but always be in the same room. - If they speak to you, roll your eyes and huff as if some homeless person just handed you an old sockpuppet and asked you take care of his "child". - Whenever they buy any food for themselves, eat half. Leave the other half out on the table so it spoils, goes flat, whatever. - "Accidently" play a song they don't like on "repeat" loudly on your stereo, lock your bedroom door and leave for a few hours (or the weekend). - When shoveling the driveway, shovel their car in. - Leave spoiled food in their bedroom trashcan (or under the bed). - When they aren't around, break (or simply remove) their bedroom window. - If they have any pets, release them while yelling "FREEDOM!!!" - If they post a "love note" on your door (post-it notes with stupid requests like "we need to talk" or "stop stealing my soda") respond with your own note that says "thank you for bringing this to my attention"...and stick it to their door with a 12" carving knife. -Fuck it..just kick they door open..grab them by the hair and toss them in the street. Start chucking their shit out the window. Let them try to prove that they lived there.
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