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11-28-2002, 07:28 AM
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Again another terroist attack.....
Kenya is agin the subject of terrorist attacks, for those who don't know an Israeli airliner was targeted by missiles and a hotel owned by an Israeli was bombed by three suicide terrorists, 11 dead over 80 injured.
Could it be osama? I have doubts I reckon it's Hezbollah.
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11-28-2002, 07:32 AM
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Lest anyone panicks any more than necessary: the plane made it to Tel Aviv safe and sound.
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11-28-2002, 07:35 AM
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Latest.
Christ knows. Though the location, method of the bombing, and sophistication of the equipment sounds like al Qaeda or an affiliate to me. Man, that's fucking terrible - why bother trying to circumvent airport security when you can just shoot missiles at passenger planes? Shit.
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11-28-2002, 07:54 AM
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Or, you could probably buy SA-7 or SA-14 missiles from the former Soviet republics (the Russian versions of the Stinger) if you knew the right people. And there are many other types of portable SAMs around the world. A shoulder-launched surface-to-air missile isn't any bigger than a WWII bazooka, and there's ways to buy them if you have the cash and the connections.
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11-28-2002, 08:01 AM
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Of course, whatever the reason, I'm awfully glad the plane was unharmed.
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11-28-2002, 08:17 AM
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Aw, bloody hell.
I just caught up on this situation on the BBC. Now, there has been a shooting in Israel proper. 3 Gunmen assaulted the Likud Party polling station in Jerusalem. This is, of course, the day that the Likud decides between the "moderate," Ariel Sharon, and the right-winger Binyamin Netanyahu. The Beeb is reporting that both countries of the original attack, Kenya and Israel, are pointing the finger at Al Qaeda. Islam is, on the whole, a religion of peace, but the entire Islamic world really needs to get its house in order. The rest of the world is completely sick of all of these murderers killing folks without reason. Every time something such as this happens, I think "Maybe Pax Americana isn't such a bad idea, after all." 
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11-28-2002, 08:31 AM
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How come Islam has such 'bloody borders?'
Chechnya, Bosnia, Palestine, afghanistan, Malasyia, Indonesia, the Phillipine Islands, Sudan, Nigeria, should I go on? There is a serious problem with these fundamentalists. How many are there estimated to be? Does the Religion need a change of some sort? Are Israelis safe anywhere????
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11-28-2002, 08:48 AM
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For all the military action over the past year nothing seems to stop attacks in either Israel by the Palestinian terrorists or the rest of the World from The remaining animals. Sure there have been respites but in the end they have not stopped just waited for another opertunity.
There has to be a better way to deal with this. There just has to. I don't think an army can do it an army is only good when there is another army willing to stand up to it and fight. This seems to be a failure of imagination on the part of our leaders.
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11-28-2002, 09:09 AM
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I am thinking that God/Allah is going to have to get off his lazy ass and make a trip down to earth and clarify the "don't kill rule".
http://www.theonion.com/onion3734/go...dont_kill.html
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11-28-2002, 09:23 AM
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kingpengvin, I saw General Romeo Dallaire [ret] give a seminar last night and part of his speech was exactly that point. From what I gather, his opinion is instead of treating these as acts of war, then going in and beating the hell out of another nation, they should be treated as crimes and the perpetrators hunted down and tried like normal criminals. Even if it takes 20 or 40 years to convict these people this will be a lot more effective and breed less new radicals.
Our job (for example) is to make the lives of the Palestinians better while hunting down the criminals in their midst, not punish everyone for their actions. Not saying this is easy, it will take a great deal of creativity.
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11-28-2002, 02:35 PM
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11-28-2002, 02:39 PM
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Judging by the image of the launcher on the BBC news page, I'd say it was an ex-Soviet SA-14 'Gremlin'.
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11-28-2002, 02:42 PM
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I am so sick of hearing about this shit.
We've got people out there who WANT war and WELCOME death and SEEK destruction... what a bunch of sick puppies. I try to stay hopeful, but I fear this will end up as WWIII. It will not be one country against another but this radical, rabid brand of "religion" against the world. >sigh<
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11-28-2002, 09:30 PM
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It's like this:
If I see a rabid dog walking down the street towards me, I feel sorry for the dog. Really I do. But I'll still shoot it before it comes near enough to bite me. In self-defense, you understand. Because no matter how sorry I feel for that poor, sick, miserable, suffering animal... I will still defend myself. These terrorists are rabid people.
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11-28-2002, 10:10 PM
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11-28-2002, 10:28 PM
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globalsecurity.org the SA-14 (more properly known as the "9K34 Strela-3", Strela translates as "arrow", IIRC) was introduced in 1978, just in time to make it to Afganistan. I'm not sure, but some may have been sent to Angola or other African countries where proxy wars were underway at the time. I think they were exported to Cuba, as well as the Warsaw Pact countries. From there some probably made it into black market circulation. A relevant article from janes.com.
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11-28-2002, 10:31 PM
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In other words, Allah only knows where it came from. I'd say Iraq or Lebanon, or even from somewhere in Africa, maybe Somalia or Congo/Zaire or whatever its called now.
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11-28-2002, 10:33 PM
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Of course, that's all assuming the launcher reported to be shown on Kenyan TV by the BBC News website was actually the one found on the scene.
... Say, what's all this factual stuff doing in the Pit?
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11-29-2002, 02:21 PM
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Lets not forget the many Wars in Africa where the USSR and USA were out to win hearts and minds with generous donations of weapons to defend either's way of life.
Also The Cubans, with Soviet weapons fought in Angola and helped aid Ethiopian troops angainst Somolia in 1975. Chances are the weapons have been floating around from one group to another and not hard to come by.
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