800Mb CD-R and normal audio cd players

[Princhester]

I have managed to confirm that my cd-r (with a firmware upgrade) can burn 800Mb cd-r's, if I buy appropriate burner software. I then want to make cd's from my old lp's, and play them on ordinary audio cd players (car and hi fi).

What I need to know before I spend the dough on software is whether an ordinary cd player will be able to cope with an 800Mb cd once burnt?

[Ximenean]

Some can, some can't. If they can't, generally they will still play most of the tracks, just not the last one or two. My car CD can't "see" beyond about 700Mb, my (older) home stereo can play 800Mb CD-Rs but doesn't seem to like CD-RWs.

[ftg]

Expanding on Usram's post: Generally, older players have more trouble with CD-Rs. The standard times are 74min which all should handle vs 80min which some don't. You appear to be interested in going beyond that. There is no way to know outside of just burning a CD and testing it out.

Other issues with older equipment: not handling CDRs of various colors or track-at-once CDs. (So burn disc-at-once.)

[Ximenean]

Correction (I was confusing my minutes and megabytes): I haven't tried an 800Mb CD-R; my home stereo can play 80 minute CDs i.e. 700Mb. My car CD starts skipping after 70-75 min, i.e. where a standard 640Mb CD would finish. 800Mb (92 minutes?) does sound rather ambitious.

[Ximenean]

Correction (I was confusing my minutes and megabytes): I haven't tried an 800Mb CD-R; my home stereo can play 80 minute CDs i.e. 700Mb. My car CD starts skipping after 70-75 min, i.e. where a standard 640Mb CD would finish. 800Mb (92 minutes?) does sound rather ambitious.

[RufusLeaking]

I have transfered a large number of LPs onto CDs. If you record one LP (both sides) per CD (which I recommend) they will all fit on standard 640Mb CDs. Unlike an LP, the data is recorded on a CD starting from the inside and working outwards. Thus, if no data is recorded on the outside edge the CD will be more resistant to fingerprints and miss-handling.

[Princhester]

Thanks for your responses. I've noticed that quite a few of my LP's are just over 350Mb, which is tantalisingly close to being of a size that would allow two LP's on one CD.

Oh well.

[Geoduck]

I have cleaned up and transferred dozens of LPs to 80-min CDRs. To do it right requires quite a bit of patience, especially at the beginning when you have to learn how to use the software to recogize and lessen pops, skips and the other assorted charms of the LP medium.

Technicians have told me that CD players manufactured prior to 1997 tend to have more problems playing CDRs. Their lasers are not quite bright enough to accurately track the data on the disc. I had to retire my 1995 $500 higher-end player because it consistently skipped while playing most CDRs.

Fortunately, CDs on my Pioneer DVD player sound even better than on the older CD player, so I now use that for music full-time. A decent sounding DVD player probably costs under $150. Just borrow a few CDRs from a friend and see if your machine will play 'em right.

[Princhester]

It plays cd-r's alright. My question however is whether it will play 800Mb cd-r's.

[Duckster]

Hasn't the consumer electronic industry progressed faster than upgrading/maintaing the relevant Red, Yellow, Orange Books with respect to standards?

IIRC, 80-minute, 700 MB disks are not Book standard. Older CD players, and many current ones, cannot play these CD-Rs because they are not Book standard. Some newer players can play the larger CD-Rs, but with no upgraded Book standards, what may play in one CD player may not work with another.

You may want to check with your CD player manufacturer whether they still build their equipment according to Book standards (meaning they can't play 80-minute CD-Rs) or whether they toosed the standards to the winds.